General & Others Did roof piece help or hurt Zoro and expectations of him

#21
You do realize that The Temple isn't a hive mind right ... why are you arguing a collective when I didn't bring up any of those claims ??

Time to sign-off Kek-chan.
can we skip to the part where you call everyone dumb, like when they attest zoro has paper durability in the other thread :CoolPeace:
Also, 3 of those arguments were specifically made by you, maybe read next time instead bubbling

Not to mention how you cheered for HeroNZ how CoH can travel like Sanji with his "clear lance" just for the current chapter to hit :Reddog:
 
#23
can we skip to the part where you call everyone dumb, like when they attest zoro has paper durability in the other thread :CoolPeace:
Also, 3 of those arguments were specifically made by you, maybe read next time instead bubbling

Not to mention how you cheered for HeroNZ how CoH can travel like Sanji with his "clear lance" just for the current chapter to hit :Reddog:
Time to sign-off Kek chan. How is clear lance brought into this, stay on topic !

RoofTop Zoro is not fan service it's merely Zoro going all-out from the timeskip, screaming fan service is pure cope.
 
#24
Time to sign-off Kek chan. How is clear lance brought into this, stay on topic !

RoofTop Zoro is not fan service it's merely Zoro going all-out from the timeskip, screaming fan service is pure cope.
Back to spamming bot lines, time to produce another L here, have fun, became a weekly thing for you, you were almost crying of joy because of "black blade"
Forever filler and ryumor:myman:
 
#27
Zoro throughout the entire Wano arc enhanced his best traits and story beats going back to the very beginning of the series, and the rooftop represents Oda's comic book storytelling action at its best.

I remember when fringes of the English speaking OP community came together (KF, MSN, etc.) and made AP a forum dedicated to specifically discussing the ongoing manga. Somewhere through the years, I guess it started at OJ, there came a collective that went from tongue in cheek to full on trolling. Agenda Piece. Glad to say that through 20 years my view of the series isn't formed around this and I can remove it from my enjoyment of the story even if I indulge some of these posters

Zoro went from struggling to jump Apoo
 
#28
Seeing as some of them have massively overshot every matchup expectation for Zoro since then, I’d say yes. Zoro fans haven’t been able to reach that same high for years now, and they probably won’t until Zoro defeats a top-tier opponent. So, some of them seem to be in a perpetual state of misplaced anticipation, believing that this is the arc where they’ll finally feel that same high again. Because of that, they overplay their hand: Zoro vs. Kizaru, Zoro vs. Shamrock, Zoro vs. Loki, etc. Then it all crashes down when he’s given a Super Sommers or a Lucci instead.

The rooftop fight made them forget Zoro’s actual place in the story, both as a character and as a fighter. Now they’re being reminded of that every arc. He isn’t part of some “Conqueror monster duo” dynamic with Luffy where they’re neck and neck. He isn’t the “vice-captain” who ranks above the rest of the crew, and he isn’t going to be given opponents on the caliber of Luffy’s foes. He’s a Wing, fighting shoulder to shoulder with the other Wing against the top subordinates of the enemy captain so they can pave the way for Luffy to win and ultimately become King.

Yes, both Zoro and Sanji get their “duo moments” with Luffy. Whether it’s blocking an attack from Big Mom, standing up to Kizaru, battling Kaido, or confronting Gaban, they also have their trio moments, like we’ve recently seen throughout Elbaph. But at the end of the day, Luffy fights Lucci (4k), while Zoro and Sanji fight Kaku (2k) and Jabra (2k).

Never forget what separates Luffy from the other Straw Hats. All the way back in Cocoyashi Village, Luffy tells Arlong: “Of course I don’t know anything about swords. I can’t navigate, I can’t cook, I can’t even lie, I know I need friends to help me if I want to get ahead in life. But there’s one thing I can do, I can beat you”.

Luffy is the only one who can consistently stand up to the strongest foes, and if he doesn’t win, then his crew loses. That’s always been the story.
 
#31
Beginning
Luffy > Nerfed Zoro (every single arc from Captain Morgan and forward)

The implications was clearly
Luffy ≈ Zoro > Sanji

Then
Luffy pulled clear while Zoro got his recognition

Implications was clearly
Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

Recently
What held true for most of the manga has recently changed. Luffy is now on a God Level while Zoro is only 51 while Sanji is 49.

Thus
Luffy >> Zoro ≈> Sanji

Reflection
This recent development is in itself weird with Zoros goal, all his training, his previous closeness to Luffy. It might change again, who knows. I think most preferred the Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo and not Goku >> Vegeta ≈> Piccolo. And I think that will be it in the end.

Of course, if you look at DBZ the same thing happened on Namek and against Cell when Piccolo powered up and surpassed Vegeta temporarily but in the end it was clearly Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo.
 
#32
Beginning
Luffy > Nerfed Zoro (every single arc from Captain Morgan and forward)

The implications was clearly
Luffy ≈ Zoro > Sanji

Then
Luffy pulled clear while Zoro got his recognition

Implications was clearly
Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

Recently
What held true for most of the manga has recently changed. Luffy is now on a God Level while Zoro is only 51 while Sanji is 49.

Thus
Luffy >> Zoro ≈> Sanji

Reflection
This recent development is in itself weird with Zoros goal, all his training, his previous closeness to Luffy. It might change again, who knows. I think most preferred the Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo and not Goku >> Vegeta ≈> Piccolo. And I think that will be it in the end.

Of course, if you look at DBZ the same thing happened on Namek and against Cell when Piccolo powered up and surpassed Vegeta temporarily but in the end it was clearly Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo.
There has been no "recent development", Zoro is still exactly where every competent reader had him to be, which is comparable to Sanji and significantly below Luffy.

Lmfao at Zoro being the Vegeta of One Piece, no one thinks that except Ztards.
 
#33
Beginning
Luffy > Nerfed Zoro (every single arc from Captain Morgan and forward)

The implications was clearly
Luffy ≈ Zoro > Sanji

Then
Luffy pulled clear while Zoro got his recognition

Implications was clearly
Luffy > Zoro > Sanji

Recently
What held true for most of the manga has recently changed. Luffy is now on a God Level while Zoro is only 51 while Sanji is 49.

Thus
Luffy >> Zoro ≈> Sanji

Reflection
This recent development is in itself weird with Zoros goal, all his training, his previous closeness to Luffy. It might change again, who knows. I think most preferred the Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo and not Goku >> Vegeta ≈> Piccolo. And I think that will be it in the end.

Of course, if you look at DBZ the same thing happened on Namek and against Cell when Piccolo powered up and surpassed Vegeta temporarily but in the end it was clearly Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo.
The Zoro ~ Sanji dynamic is literally the only one that’s ever existed between them since the east blue
 
#34
There has been no "recent development", Zoro is still exactly where every competent reader had him to be, which is comparable to Sanji and significantly below Luffy.

Lmfao at Zoro being the Vegeta of One Piece, no one thinks that except Ztards.
One piece is not based on power levels. That is to say, Daz could beat Ohm for example. A henchman can tag and hurt Luffy because for the most part a hit is a hit. Style makes fights.

Zoro has saved Luffy from his own opponents and hurt the same people Luffy hurt. He has destroyed people who presented unique problems for Luffy and guarded him from countless attacks. Whether someone says it was necessary or not. If any of those situations reversed and Luffy was the one guarding Zoro, you'd have a field day while ignoring that the exceptions will never out number the normal.

So if you want to mention Vegeta in Z, I think you have your work cut out for you with examples.
 
#36
One piece is not based on power levels. That is to say, Daz could beat Ohm for example. A henchman can tag and hurt Luffy because for the most part a hit is a hit. Style makes fights.

Zoro has saved Luffy from his own opponents and hurt the same people Luffy hurt. He has destroyed people who presented unique problems for Luffy and guarded him from countless attacks. Whether someone says it was necessary or not. If any of those situations reversed and Luffy was the one guarding Zoro, you'd have a field day while ignoring that the exceptions will never out number the normal.

So if you want to mention Vegeta in Z, I think you have your work cut out for you with examples.
What does any of what you just said have to do with my post?
 
#37
There has been no "recent development", Zoro is still exactly where every competent reader had him to be, which is comparable to Sanji and significantly below Luffy.

Lmfao at Zoro being the Vegeta of One Piece, no one thinks that except Ztards.
Comparable to Sanji? Sanji was struggling with flying 6 till his daddy genes kick him and made him like 10x stronger
 
#39
There has been no "recent development", Zoro is still exactly where every competent reader had him to be, which is comparable to Sanji and significantly below Luffy.

Lmfao at Zoro being the Vegeta of One Piece, no one thinks that except Ztards.
The Zoro ~ Sanji dynamic is literally the only one that’s ever existed between them since the east blue
There was nothing comparable about Zoro and Sanji at the Baratie. Mihawk, Don Krieg, Zeff and Luffy can all attest to that.

Arlong Park - same thing. Ask Arlong.

Whiskey Peak - same thing.

Alabasta - same thing. Ask Crocodile and Smoker about Mr1 vs Mr2.

Skypiea - Ask Wyper and Enel.

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Ask Drake, Urouge, Hawkins, Apoo, Killer, Kidd, Law, Queen, King, Big Mom, Kaido and so on and so on.
 
#40
There was nothing comparable about Zoro and Sanji at the Baratie. Mihawk, Don Krieg, Zeff and Luffy can all attest to that.

Arlong Park - same thing. Ask Arlong.

Whiskey Peak - same thing.

Alabasta - same thing. Ask Crocodile and Smoker about Mr1 vs Mr2.

Skypiea - Ask Wyper and Enel.

---

Ask Drake, Urouge, Hawkins, Apoo, Killer, Kidd, Law, Queen, King, Big Mom, Kaido and so on and so on.
In skypia Sanji had to jump his priest with Luffy while Zoro fought wyper then the strongest priest.
 
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