Cinera

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

Katakuri is the only High Tier that I think it's reasonable to argue might be able to beat Santoryu Zoro.

Santoryu Zoro has the offensive prowess to oneshot virtually all high tiers with his most powerful techniques. To beat him, one would need the ability to shut down or otherwise neutralise his offense.

Future Sight + Shapeshifting + Snakeman speed might give Katakuri the ability to do that.

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

I find the Zoro haters annoying, but I'm having people tell me that Kaido screaming after Law's Rock Spam and Kidd's Slam Gibson doesn't mean that Law and Kidd actually damaged Kaido.

There's delusional, and then there's claiming "AAAAAAAAAAAARRGGHHH!!!" is not a scream in pain.

https://i.imgur.com/HvHT7RM.png

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

The substantial difference in combat ability between Killer and Kamazou was humbling.

I had spilled much ink arguing that Killer wasn't significantly nerfed while fighting Zoro because he had several weeks to adapt to his new Scythes while Zoro was able to improvise a named technique within seconds.

The lack of named techniques and the different weapons should have been enough.

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

31% of the forum believes that Enma stores Oden's haki:
https://i.imgur.com/qDHYc2Q.png

That's pretty depressing TBH.

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

I'm retrospect, it may have been premature to make a Zoro vs Dragon!Kaido matchup. I should let both of them display more feats in the current fight.

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

I'm not going to argue that Zoro beats Katakuri yet. I think a case can be made, but Zoro will get more feats soon, so I'll wait on them.

The main things I think people are missing:
* Underestimating the size of Zoro's strongest slashes (they're not actually thin/narrow, see 1080 PC vs Pica)
* Even if Zoro's slashes were narrow, Kata can't warp around moves like Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki.

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

I have said that I don't think Zoro will surpass Oden. I still don't think he will, but last chapter has caused me to make an update in that direction.

I'm always willing to change my mind, so below are the events would make me update in favour of Zoro surpassing Oden (ordered in ascending order of importance):

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  Cinera

• Jan 30, 2021

That no one is attributing Killer's accomplishments to Punisher, Law's to the Ope Ope no Mi or Luffy's to the Gomu Gomu Gomu no Mi is in retrospect pretty surprising.

Zoro fans fucked up by even entertaining the notion of separating Enma from Zoro.

Attempts to deny Zoro's accomplishments should be treated with the same regard as attempts to deny the accomplishments of any other Supernova.

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  Shimotsuki Fenaker

• Jan 29, 2021

Oda after one chapter changed ur opinion now do u think he will surpass oden ?

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  Tyki_Mikk

• Jan 29, 2021

Yo bro look at this, find it in NF, someone already put a work and make a calc:
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/14ekqsWA5X4cg2EKo1OcgbKAk2OwjoTyTGOXTWa1lbQo/mobilebasic

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

No one, literally no one. Not @ShishioIsBack, not @nik87, not myself expected that this chapter Zoro would unleash an attack that would terrify a Yonkou, or cause the "Invulnerable Kaido" to dodge it.

Let that sink in, Zoro is already outperforming our wildest expectations.

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

Apparently, I need to write an Enma powerscaling thread.

Enma is so powerful that it was terrifying two Yonkou.

It was also able to give Kaido a very grievous scar.

It goes without saying that Enma is a top tier. Is it perhaps the lurking legend that we've been told of? 🤔

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

Not gonna lie, I don't understand how people think Kidd is on Santoryu Zoro's level let alone superior to him.

* Zoro's offensive prowess outclasses Kidd's by several tiers.
* Zoro had much greater portrayal vs Apoo.
* Zoro could easily react to Destructive Wind while Kidd couldn't (suggesting better COO).
* Zoro's COA shits on Kidd.
* Zoro has several kilometres range.

Kidd doesn't outclass Zoro in any stat.

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

The strongest characters I feel confident arguing Santoryu Zoro can beat:
* King
* Marco
* Mera Sabo
* Dragon!Kaido

Zoro's victories in the above matchups are very contingent on his ability to cut fire, and while that does provide him a matchup advantage, without his other stats being as formidable as they are, it wouldn't be enough.

Is this just a matchup advantage, or is Santoryu Zoro a low top tier?

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

My Santoryu Zoro vs Dragon!Kaido thread is complete. Even giving Dragon!Kaido the full benefit of the doubt, I fail to see how he pushes Santoryu Zoro beyond high diff. His victory seems out of the question entirely.

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/.10625/

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

My Zoro Attack Potency wank thread will be dropping soon. 👀

I promise y'all have never seen monstrous wank of this level before.

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  Sentinel

• Jan 29, 2021

https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/one-piece-onigashima-size-and-calcs.1220892/

And Zoro cut said horn while he was in the middle on to of the skull.

Looking at the sizing, Onigashima is pretty damn large. At least 10km in width I would say.

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  Cinera

• Jan 29, 2021

Next up is my Zoro vs Dragon!Kaido thread.

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  Midnight Delight

• Jan 28, 2021

Hi Cin

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  Cinera

• Jan 28, 2021

I have so many threads to make when the chapter drops:
* Hiryuu Kaen runs a gauntlet
* Supernova attacks powerscaling thread
* Zoro vs Jozu
* Killer vs Law
* Killer vs Cracker
* Luffy & Zoro vs Dragon!Kaido
* Zoro vs Dragon!Kaido
* How strong is Dragon!Kaido

I'll be taking suggestions.