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Nami wasn't a damn queen, she just lived there. Vivi running off to be a pirate would absolutely be abandoning her country because she has a responsibility to her people. And her entire character from beginning to end was about her love for her people. If you really can't see that, then yeah...

And with that, this conversation is over. If you actually think Vivi is going to abandon Alabasta to stay with Luffy, you're running on 100% pure bias and 0% reason. That takes the cake for the most braindead take on Worstgen. No point in arguing with someone so blinded by bias. Also, you...

Fair enough But Vivi's motivation would be 100% to take down the world government and make Alabasta safe. Are you actually suggesting she'll abandon Alabasta to become a pirate? Because that's legit as dumb as croco mom. Oda has like 3 female characters that he recycles. You can say the same...

Someone who pledges to sail under Luffy indefinitely as his subordinate and make getting him to laughtale their primary goal. Vivi will likely join, but will be treated as a guest and not a subordinate like before, her primary goal will be to take down the WG not to help Luffy, and she will...

I actually agree with the majority of this. No one is saying she's irrelevant. She'll obviously be very important in the final arc, but not every important character joins the crew. And if you're just saying she'll join temporarily for the war, I agree 100%. She's just not going to be a full...

Stay with morgans until she's relevant for the final war, then sail with the strawhats as a temporary ally, likely lead Alabasta into battle as Strawhat allies and have some kind of lore importance relating to Imu, then return to Alabasta to become Queen after the war. I'll never understand how...

Pretty sure whoever's alt you are was part of the crew that pushed the towel theory :goatasure:

Quick, let's find every character born on the second day of a month and push for them getting Kuma's fruit :fujilaugh: Sanji, Jinbei, Garp, Yassop, and the other Vinsmoke brothers all born on the 2nd, Killer has the same birthday as Vivi, I guess he's confirmed getting the Paw Paw fruit:finally:

Because I deny all these dumb easter egg theories. Same as when people predict things based on the picture with the cats, or that stupid color background theory.

So because they have birthdays in the same month, this proves that Kuma will die and Vivi will get his devil fruit, got it. We're at a new level of nonsense here. Every argument for Vivi joining the crew is just headcannon and making stuff up.

Fair enough :gokulaugh:

Nah, it turns into Bonney there. Vivi getting the paw fruit is just as asinine as ever. Same amount of evidence as snow bunny or croco mom.

Thanks:cheers:

Do I want it? No. The WG is losing too many of their strongest fighters. I's rather see Zoro or Sanji fight Kizaru in the end rather than Kizaru taking a high level WG fight in the final war, just like Fuji. But do I think it will happen? Absolutely. It's being very clearly forshadowed. I'm...

I couldn't begin to tell you what opening that was, I don't watch the anime much. Just saying the anime openings do whatever random shit they think is cool, it doesn't mean it's going to happen in the manga.

Kizaru looks like he's switching sides.

I noticed Sanji vs Kizaru in an opening once too.

True, but given how oda had erased Jinbei from the concept art of the crew and only released the version with him after he joined, there's no reason to assume there aren't early concepts of Bonney as well.

This is nonsense. Just because early concepts were later used for parts of new characters doesn't make the new characters early concepts, unless you really want to argue that Nami with an axe was an early design of Franky. His character, his story his personality, his abilities, all were...

Well said :cheers: