Chapter Discussion “Kizaru isn’t getting back up”

[BlackLegFring]

Kizaru said in the first place he was going to get up.

The absurd thing is that someone thought he would not.

It wasn’t just absurd, it was just plain dumb. You can hate a character all you want, but being purposefully stupid just to spite a fictional character is the epitome of immaturity & foolishness.

Oda then made it worse by having Kizaru get up on his own while Luffy needs tons of food to do the same.

It’s funny, but I don’t get why the people in question are then getting pissed and whining about it.

 

[Durableguy]

Kizaru said in the first place he was going to get up.

The absurd thing is that someone thought he would not.

Not anytime soon.

Imagine lying about something so blatant.

 

[Nadel]

Kizaru is an admiral...it was impossible for a blow to knock him out...

 

[Dragon777]

Not anytime soon.

Imagine lying about something so blatant.

Depends in what sense. He has already moved.

 

[Durableguy]

Depends in what sense. He already moved.

Him presumably crawling to a wall=/= he's up

 

[Dragon777]

Him presumably crawling to a wall=/= he's up

Him bringing the food to Luffy = him moving.

Also there is not much presuming about him standing up form before and sitting to the wall.

 

[Durableguy]

Him bringing the food to Luffy = him moving.

Also there is not much presuming about him standing up form before and sitting to the wall.

So you are using a theory to argue your point.

Gaslight tactic 101

 

[Dragon777]

So you are using a theory to argue your point.

Gaslight tactic 101

Yeah, because I think the theory is right lol.

Or, Idk, one can't speak about Shanks and Teach's future fight because it's a theory? Just one of thousands.
There is a new element, at the moment is suggested but not confirmed, and so we speak about it.

Obv. you don't have to agree. We'll see if the theory is right or not.

 

[Durableguy]

Yeah, because I think the theory is right lol.

Or, Idk, one can't speak about Shanks and Teach's future fight because it's a theory? Just one of thousands.
There is a new element, at the moment is suggested but not confirmed, and so we speak about it.

Obv. you don't have to agree. We'll see if the theory is right or not.

No because Teach doesn't have to fight Shanks anymore.

His conflict with Luffy comes with Garp.

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Maybe.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Well, the whole Luffy vs Kizaru is weird to begin with. I never thought it would happen, nothing connects the two.
It all feels like a stalling device to achieve nothing at all really.
However, if we look at what we are given, the guy who is casually handling Snakeman never landing any proper hit on Luffy is just weird.
On the other hand, the guy who spams hits and beats people through damage accumulation fails to land a single hit in the fight aside from the moment he runs out of juice...

Which begs the question. Was it really hard for Kizaru to land a hit on Luffy? I think Kizaru as you have said aswell stalling and never wanted to kill anyone here. Luffy was the perfect way to hold him back since he has beaten Kaido and saturn wouldn't put sus on Kizaru.

 

[Garp the Fist]

The problem isn’t really whether Kizaru got back up.

The problem was that he looked totally hopeless against G5, and it took a super plot induced collapse by Luffy to save him. We know from what he went through on Wano that Luffy’s collapse was pure plot bullshit. On the other hand, we don’t have anything to say that Kizaru will do any better against G5.

 

[Peroroncino]

getting back up would be getting on his feet, sitting down on a fighting ring stil counts as a down for a reason, he has not actually gotten back up only shifted his position, if anything luffy looks healthier since he can actually move fast to eat and now we know he was never knocked out

 

[Dragon777]

On the other hand, we don’t have anything to say that Kizaru will do any better against G5.

Yeah, I mean, outside of even trying to lol.

 

[Pringles]

The problem isn’t really whether Kizaru got back up.

The problem was that he looked totally hopeless against G5, and it took a super plot induced collapse by Luffy to save him. We know from what he went through on Wano that Luffy’s collapse was pure plot bullshit. On the other hand, we don’t have anything to say that Kizaru will do any better against G5.

Imagine awakening a devil fruit that allows you to fight as you wish and that gives you freedom only to get a plot induced dRaWbAcK. Such freedom. I truly see how this fixes the problem of Gear 4.

 

[Juanpiz]

Imagine awakening a devil fruit that allows you to fight as you wish and that gives you freedom only to get a plot induced dRaWbAcK. Such freedom. I truly see how this fixes the problem of Gear 4.

Freedom with terms and conditions

 

[nik87]

The problem isn’t really whether Kizaru got back up.

The problem was that he looked totally hopeless against G5, and it took a super plot induced collapse by Luffy to save him. We know from what he went through on Wano that Luffy’s collapse was pure plot bullshit. On the other hand, we don’t have anything to say that Kizaru will do any better against G5.

I would beg to differ.
Nothing about Kizaru looked >totally hopeless against G5.
He was handling G5 with the same ease he was handling G4.

"Plot-induced collapse" is an excuse of yours. Luffy's gears always have such side effects, that is not plot-induced but consistent.
The real question is, and there are two of them, why didnt Luffy >hit that beat to extend his stamina as he did vs Kaido and would Kizaru really be down from the same hit if Luffy wasnt going down in the same moment...

We know Luffy aint the guy who puts people down with a single hit so why did he put Kizaru down?
In fact, he didnt even put him down, the guy was conscious the whole time, he was supposedly dizzy.
Why was he dizzy from the same shit that didnt make Kaido dizzy? If we are talking about plot-induced BS...

 

[Pringles]

I would beg to differ.
Nothing about Kizaru looked >totally hopeless against G5.
He was handling G5 with the same ease he was handling G4.

"Plot-induced collapse" is an excuse of yours. Luffy's gears always have such side effects, that is not plot-induced but consistent.
The real question is, and there are two of them, why didnt Luffy >hit that beat to extend his stamina as he did vs Kaido and would Kizaru really be down from the same hit if Luffy wasnt going down in the same moment...

We know Luffy aint the guy who puts people down with a single hit so why did he put Kizaru down?
In fact, he didnt even put him down, the guy was conscious the whole time, he was supposedly dizzy.
Why was he dizzy from the same shit that didnt make Kaido dizzy? If we are talking about plot-induced BS...

You worded this well so props to you.

However, Kizaru didn't handle G5 at all. Kizaru kept running away from Nika.

Also, "why didn't Luffy hit that beat" is a stupid question. You think that hours have passed since he defeated Kizaru. In fact, only seconds/minutes have passed and Luffy is eating to get back to Gear 5.

The timing is no different from Luffy getting Gear 5 back against Kaido or Luffy recovering after fighting Lucci.

Kizaru was dizzy because he was knocked-out by White Star Gun, it's as simple as that. He is not out of the story of course but Luffy made Kizaru fail his mission and probably even switch sides.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I would beg to differ.
Nothing about Kizaru looked >totally hopeless against G5.
He was handling G5 with the same ease he was handling G4.

"Plot-induced collapse" is an excuse of yours. Luffy's gears always have such side effects, that is not plot-induced but consistent.
The real question is, and there are two of them, why didnt Luffy >hit that beat to extend his stamina as he did vs Kaido and would Kizaru really be down from the same hit if Luffy wasnt going down in the same moment...

We know Luffy aint the guy who puts people down with a single hit so why did he put Kizaru down?
In fact, he didnt even put him down, the guy was conscious the whole time, he was supposedly dizzy.
Why was he dizzy from the same shit that didnt make Kaido dizzy? If we are talking about plot-induced BS...

Once in a while nik, you really become a beacon of lucidity.

Trying to use the plot excuse for Luffy is just plain bias if you don’t extend the same to Kizaru. Oda simply needed both of them out of the picture for a while.

Saying that Kizaru couldn’t handle G5 is just silly when we see them at a stalemate just before Kizaru remembered that he had a job to do.
Or when he sent clones to keep him busy while he went after his actual target.

 

[nik87]

Kizaru didn't handle G5 at all. Kizaru kept running away from Nika.

He handled him just fine while targeting Vegapunk. He never ran away.

Also, "why didn't Luffy hit that beat" is a stupid question. You think that hours have passed since he defeated Kizaru. In fact, only seconds/minutes have passed and Luffy is eating to get back to Gear 5.

When G5 runs out he should be able to hit that beat to extend his stamina UNLESS, hit that beat only works when someone smacks him hard enough to push him out of it as Kaido did.

Kizaru was dizzy because he was knocked-out by White Star Gun, it's as simple as that. He is not out of the story of course but Luffy made Kizaru fail his mission and probably even switch sides.

The problem is that he wasnt knocked out, he was conscious the whole time.
Kaido received a hit in the head as well and he wasnt dizzy.
It seems like Oda gave up on consistency with G5, he will do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. Looney Toons GG.

Oda simply needed both of them out of the picture for a while.

Correct. However, we know Luffy gassing out is a consistent drawback of his gears. Meanwhile, Kizaru going down is optional.

Saying that Kizaru couldn’t handle G5 is just silly when we see them at a stalemate just before Kizaru remembered that he had a job to do.
Or when he sent clones to keep him busy while he went after his actual target.

Indeed, he was handling it just fine.

 

[haxxor]

It wasn’t just absurd, it was just plain dumb. You can hate a character all you want, but being purposefully stupid just to spite a fictional character is the epitome of immaturity & foolishness.

This

he says retarded shit on purpose and puts his heart on the line to defend it, it’s the goofiest shit I’ve seen