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Which leg did Vergo use?


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I don’t feel like reading 300+ replies of this shit lol. Can someone briefly explain to me why it matters which leg Vergo used?
Vergo who first gave the impression of chambering and attacking with his left leg, changed leg and instead attacked with his right ankle (as you can see the inside of the foot is the one facing up and the stationary leg is aligned with the left hip, which means it can only be the left leg, and just see the streaks of action lines along the stationary leg that continue up the hip). This is just Vergo's way of signalling he is joking around with Sanji.

Next panel we see him swinging around his left leg for a reverse roundhouse kick. This means, and what is implied here, (but we don't get to see because Oda has a limited amount of panels so instead highlights Sanji's painful and fearful expression) he broke off the clash and left Sanji's leg hanging haplessly in the air, while he was fast enough to switch leg yet again using his left leg for a reverse roundhouse kick that Sanji barely dodges. Vergo is looking bored while doing this, as if he is just doing some light sparring with a complete noob.

Vergo toyed with Sanji in a playful manner, and the implication here is that Sanji has to be saved by plot, ie the emergency signal that revolves around Law breaching into the SAD room which Vergo has to listen in on. While Sanji is struggling for his life Vergo has to pay attention to the emergency message to divert his attention away from Sanji. A massive humiliation for Sanji.



Read this, absorb it, then think deeper about what it means :cheers:
 

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Vergo who first gave the impression of chambering and attacking with his left leg, changed leg and instead attacked with his right ankle (as you can see the inside of the foot is the one facing up and the stationary leg is aligned with the left hip, which means it can only be the left leg, and just see the streaks of action lines along the stationary leg that continue up the hip). This is just Vergo's way of signalling he is joking around with Sanji.

Next panel we see him swinging around his left leg for a reverse roundhouse kick. This means, and what is implied here, (but we don't get to see because Oda has a limited amount of panels so instead highlights Sanji's painful and fearful expression) he broke off the clash and left Sanji's leg hanging haplessly in the air, while he was fast enough to switch leg yet again using his left leg for a reverse roundhouse kick that Sanji barely dodges. Vergo is looking bored while doing this, as if he is just doing some light sparring with a complete noob.

Vergo toyed with Sanji in a playful manner, and the implication here is that Sanji has to be saved by plot, ie the emergency signal that revolves around Law breaching into the SAD room which Vergo has to listen in on. While Sanji is struggling for his life Vergo has to pay attention to the emergency message to divert his attention away from Sanji. A massive humiliation for Sanji.



Read this, absorb it, then think deeper about what it means :cheers:
Regardless of which leg Vergo was using, even if he was using his left leg, doesn’t he look massively stronger than Sanji anyway? He broke Sanji’s legs without even using his own signature Haki lol. Does it really matter which leg he used?
 
for crying out loud, if you have limb flexibility on that level it isn't hard to do a fucking kick like that.
No, it isn't.

You're comparing apples with oranges, lol.

You see at 1:26 what he is doing when he throws his fucking leg over his shoulder.
HOW EXACTLY PULLED VERGO ENOUGH MOMENTUM TO KICK THAT HARD IN WHICH HE FRACTURED JUDGE'S SON'S FUCKING SHIN? YOU ARE COMPARING ACROBATIC WITH EFFICIENT MARTIAL ARTS. DO YOU HAVE A SCREW LOOSE DUDE?!!

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Regardless of which leg Vergo was using, even if he was using his left leg, doesn’t he look massively stronger than Sanji anyway? He broke Sanji’s legs without even using his own signature Haki lol. Does it really matter which leg he used?
It matters because the truth matters. And the truth of the matter is, he was having fun, as in he was amusing himself with Sanji. It's not just that he broke him (trading off all momentum in switching position and leg) but that he broke him by playing him. The kick is also a stupid stance so to add injury to insult lol. He was playing Sanji man, so he was leagues above Sanji at his own game, skill-and speedwise Sanji was just outmatched. I mean this is quite hilarious man, he switched fucking legs lmao. It's the funniest shit ever and people can't cope with it. The ability to try to cope with it amounts to the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. Honestly.

I will not soon forget the people who tried robbing Vergo of his fair dues. It's like if you're doing a genuinely good job at work and I just come and shit all over it downplaying everything you accomplished based on lies and misconceptions and all sorts of misguided intent. That's what people are doing to Vergo in mass, and this thread is just disgusting and disgraceful. The visciousness against Vergo will be a stain on all those who participated in it. You can be sure of that.

But the day will come when all those people must come staring and contending with the harshest of reality: you've been living in a dreamworld
 
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No, it isn't.

You're comparing apples with oranges, lol.



HOW EXACTLY PULLED VERGO ENOUGH MOMENTUM TO KICK THAT HARD IN WHICH HE FRACTURED JUDGE'S SON'S FUCKING SHIN? YOU ARE COMPARING ACROBATIC WITH EFFICIENT MARTIAL ARTS. DO YOU HAVE A SCREW LOOSE DUDE?!!

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It never occured to you he used his ankle. It never occured to you either that this doesn't amount to "efficient martial arts" and that was the whole point lol. But you people have been saying a lot of dumb shit like this kick isn't possible. The dude who performed that feat in the clip, he literally does what Vergo does only swings further. Vergo was just leagues above Sanji. Fact
 
Sanji and Vergo have an approximately 3/4 height ratio, so the dude must be kicking higher and even twist his leg to the side more to mirror Vergo's stance.
Once again:
That dude is kicking high enough to hit a target 70 cm smaller than him and that's a bit above his waist, just like Vergo.
The difference is the angle of the perspective; that picture of that dude is a straight-on angle whilst Vergo's panel is a low angle shot which makes Vergo's left knee higher than it is but approximately around Sanji's shoulder.

You really have low levels of understanding perspectives but you proved your inability on other threads which isn't surprising. Except shittalking, what can you really offer in terms of evidence?

Dude is already twisting his leg a bit above his waist which is comparable to Vergo's stance.

It is equivalent to hitting someone that's reaching up to his lower ribcage in the chin in the face. (and I can tell from this low angle the small devisation from Sanji's leg so it amounts to something like 100 degrees)
Yep, it is Sanji's leg which is approximately 100 degrees but Vergo just lift his leg quite a bit above his waist and was able to aim toward Sanji's leg.

Sanji's shoulder are also quite a bit above Vergo's waist as well, considering the difference of 70 cm which is quite big. Something which this dude should be able to aim at.

That position will make him rotate even more and therefore deviate more from what you think should be Vergo's position.
So? Said dude would just rotate more to aim at a target 70 cm smaller than him lol.
This argument is even more irrelevant.

I am a rambling bonobo.
True.

I can't help your maladaptive brain to understand this.
What am I supposed to understand? Nasty ass garbage statements on par with conspiracy theories?
I can help you to be ready to leave your cave but YOU have to be cooperative and should listen to what I'm saying. :myman:

This dude can't do Vergo's position?
Lifting his right knee at a weird angle and then kicking someone with it? No.
Vergo used the left leg which makes your question even more irrelevant in the first place.

This dude is almost doing the exact shit Vergo is doing but with the left leg (yes ye is a fucking contortionist and really flexible, but you didn't know there were such people around, fuckface?
You are objectively retarded, seriously.
How is this guy supposed to KICK his opponent with a stance like that? How should Vergo even move his leg like that to throw an effective kick? Lol.

YOU PEOPLE ARE WRONG AND SHOULD GO OFF YOURSELVES
Relax a bit.
 
It never occured to you he used his ankle.
What? He used his ankle to throw a kick? Lmfao, dude, don't drop lower than it is.

It never occured to you either that this doesn't amount to "efficient martial arts" and that was the whole point lol.
It never occured to me because you're spewing a lot of batshit, lol.
The point is that Vergo managed to fracture Sanji's shin. If he is that strong, why couldn't he completely break Sanji's leg with his left leg at their next clash? "He used his ankle" lmfaoooooo. That's one of the dumbest shit I've ever read.

The dude who performed that feat in the clip, he literally does what Vergo does only swings further.
Let's sum this up:
A dude takes a similar stance to Vergo with his left leg, barely above his waist and can perform a kick with his tilting knee -> that's wrong.
Another dude performs some acrobatics, completely unrelated to fighting stances -> that's exactly like Vergo's stance.

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its because of Sentinel. He really has no life
Irony much? You are that low life who posts his Vergo crap in the spoiler thread as well lol.
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Vergo was just leagues above Sanji.
Vergo was stronger than Sanji. He still just used his left leg to fracture his shin.
 
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