Powers & Abilities "ACoC" does not exist. It's "CoC coating/infusing", which has VARYING degrees/levels of skill.

[The White Crane]

"ACoC" is not something that has ever been mentioned by Oda. This is a fanmade term. The problem with it, is it implies it's ONE THING. For example, FS is just FS. You see the Future and it's considered FS. But CoC coating has varying levels of power/mastery. It's not like you just get it and that's it. Even when Luffy used it, Kaido said his technique "was too sloppy". That implies it's not a binary either/or. There are degrees of mastery.

For example, Yamato could very easily deal with base/G3 Luffy physically.

But Luffy was WAAYYY more deadly against Kaido.

Why? His CoA/Haki mastery is on a much higher level. This was shown by his "internal/cuff destruction Haki".

In reality, Luffy explained it pretty easily. If you can make your CoA flow, you can make your CoC flow. That's why Luffy used it immediately.

ANYONE that can make Haki flow (uses Ryou) and possesses CoC, can you use this. It's literally the same concept. The reason that characters like Katakuri/Doflamingo or even Kid didn't use it, is because they weren't using "Ryou", but just CoA hardening. (However they were still placing CoC behind their attacks, just not "coating" with it).

Do what you do there ^ but with CoC, and you have "coating". But again, there are clearly DEGREES of "flowing". Only some like Luffy can do "Internal Destruction".

So Luffy is not just doing "CoC coating" like Yamato, but doing INTERNAL DESTRUCTION with CoC. How deep your Haki "penetrates" depends on your CoA/Haki mastery. So not all "ACoC" are the same. You can have:

- "Basic CoC coating" which just coats weapon/hand with CoC (Yamato)

- "Penetration CoC coating" which blasts CoC internally and destroy opponent from within (Luffy)

 

[Kingslayer]

it's not that hard, advanced conqueror's is just what the fanbase uses to describe coating your attacks with coc, something that few people can do in the verse.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

its called "advanced"cause its a step above knocking out fodder and its actually useful in battle .
this is more of a semantics argument but I partially agree ; it shouldnt be reduced to just a difference in skill with coc however because people who learn to coat their attacks in coc become a lot stronger than they were without being able to coat their attacks in coc.
there might be an even bigger step to conquerors which a sure the manga could described as advanced.

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Again none of you point make sense.
Neither Kaido,Big mom or Yamato can use Ryu, yet all of them pose adv CoC.
You don't need Adv CoA to use adv CoC lol.

yamato can

kaido and big mom most likely can

 

[Herrera95]

"Advanced Color of Conqueror. doesn't exist. What exist is Advanced Level of Color of Conqueror. So it is ALCoC not ACoC"

Yeah buddy. Good explanation.

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OMG. At same post he says Yamato deal pretty well against Luffy G3 but for no reason Luffy has better CoA than she because he is doing better against Kaido...

By the way, we saw how Luffy was deadly against Kaido when he was falling of Onigashima.

 

[sanjikun]

The idea is that ryou teaches the haki flow, that way you can release CoC same way instead if straining it..

This. Haki is one thing that can manifest itself in different ways. Hyogoro wasn't even talking about "Armament".

He was just talking about "Haki" in general.

OMG. At same post he says Yamato deal pretty well against Luffy G3 but for no reason Luffy has better CoA than she because he is doing better against Kaido...

He has better CoA, because he has "internal destruction" CoA. Yamato doesn't. Learn to read.

Why downplay what Yamato has? They all have the high level stage of CoC, only difference someone like Luffy, prob Kaido and Shanks have internal destruction to back it up let’s not forget how the level of will should play a role in how strong CoC coating is. For example if Luffy learnt CoC coating back in FMI when he was able to knock out 50K fighter max shouldn’t be on the same level as Shanks or Ray’s coating when Oda stated they could knock out all 100K. Hopefully it makes sense.

Because it did less damage than the Scabbards? She has the technique of CoC coating, but it's quite clearly nowhere near as powerful as Luffy's.

The problem I see is, Hakiflow/Ryuo is a rather common ability. A lot of Wano Samurai have it, the Kuja have it too. Yet only a handful of the conquerors, according to Kaido, can coat themselves with Haoshoku. That means only a handful of Conquerors are able to use Ryuo even though a lot of fodder can do it. When in fact Conquerors should have way more potential in general to unlock Ryuo.

So I don't think you need Ryuo to coat yourself in Haoshoku.

Did you just start reading One Piece? Luffy was a conqueror, with no Ryou. Katakuri was a conqueror with no Ryou. Doflamingo was a conqueror with no Ryou. Kid too. Or at least there is 0 mention of it.

Those are not "fodder". The Kuja or the Samurai are Haki experts. Luffy didn't even know about Haki even though he was stronger than them.

There is a reason Luffy/Zoro started using it immediately. They had the building blocks of it.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I agree that it's probably not advanced, Shanks is likely gonna show us what real AdvCoC looks like.

Finally something you, me and Sanjikun can agree upon lmao

 

[Ashish]

I also think that there are some levels in coc coating just like when any other younkou fought the sky splitted but when roger and whitebeard fought the sky literally blasted

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I also think that there are some levels in coc coating just like when any other younkou fought the sky splitted but when roger and whitebeard fought the sky literally blasted

It's the same Haki but Roger and WB have stronger COC IMO.

 

[Ashish]

Man I think its not haki which is strong or weak its the technique to use haki(coc)
The better the technique the powerful impact
Kaidou also said this ''your use of conquerors haki is shabby''

 

[Rmstorm]

Base Luffy is fighting about as par with Hybrid Kaido as Santoryuu Zoro was fighting as par with King when he blocked his punch with his neck and fought and clashed equally.

Quit judging it based off of 10 pages. Start of fights do be like that.

Obviously, Luffy's clash with Kaido represented his ascension into Top Tier. But it doesn't mean his CoC mastery is going to be stronger than any blow that doesn't cause sky splitting, otherwise we'll have stuff like Base Luffy = Hybrid Kaido >>>> G4 Luffy = Hybrid Kaido or fuck ups.

Remember Kaido and BM also only split skies in base. WB and Roger did the same with no name attacks. Kaido and Luffy, too, with no name or significant attacks. It doesn't mean that those no name attacks in base are superior to their own far stronger attacks in far stronger form.

I'm all for saying Luffy's ACoC > any other member from alliance, but the dumb logic that his base punches are stronger than anything that doesn't split skies? Spare me.

So, again, give your reasoning first, then you can insult me.

Base Luffy>Hybrid Kaido makes sense as Luffy is using his strongest attribute, his CoC which is his willpower which the the strongest in the world.

And Oda did this because Luffy will be fighting 2 devil fruit Blackbead without his devil fruit.

 

[Shanal]

Base Luffy>Hybrid Kaido makes sense as Luffy is using his strongest attribute, his CoC which is his willpower which the the strongest in the world.

And Oda did this because Luffy will be fighting 2 devil fruit Blackbead without his devil fruit.

No. No it does not. Base Luffy fought Hybrid Kaido in 1011, too. Got shit on off screen.

Zoro fought King on par with at first, too. See how that turned out.

Drop this agenda that G4 Luffy is > Roger and >>>> Kaido. Stop ignoring narrative for one clash.

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Luffy: adv COA + adv COC
Yamato/Zoro: adv COC
Luffy and Kaido were not touching I don't think this happened with Yamato
Anyway having adv COC really shows that you are a beast

 

[spawn]

If we define Ryuo as simply being Flowing Haki, then we have the following:

Set of implied Ryuo Users: {Rayleigh, Sentomaru, Kuja tribe, Boa Sisters, Kuzan, Borsalino, Sakazuki, Vista, Shanks, Luffy, Zoro, Smoker, Diamante, Tashigi, Issho, Mihawk, Scabbards, Big Mom, Hyogoro, Swordsman Vice Admirals, Yamato, Kaido, King, Whitebeard, Vergo, Oden, Roger}

Set of CoC Users: {Shanks, Luffy, Rayleigh, Hancock, Doflamingo, Chinjao, Big Mom, Katakuri, Kid, Sengoku, Kaido, Zoro, Yamato, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger}

Set of Ryuo and CoC users: {Shanks, Luffy, Rayleigh, Big Mom, Kaido, Zoro, Yamato, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger}

List of CoC coating users: {Luffy, Big Mom, Kaido, Zoro, Yamato, Whitebeard, Oden, Roger}

So, thinking of CoC coating users as the overlap between Ryuo users and CoC users doesn't seem that inaccurate so far.
The only two exceptions are Shanks and Rayleigh.
Shanks will have CoC coating; Rayleigh has a good chance of having it too.

 

[Finalbeta]

I miss the times where basic CoC was only meant as knockout-headache inducing CoC.

 

[Kiiro]

I wonder how using basic conquer on your attacks is different than coating your attacks with it.

Oda has to do more explanation of this for sure. Katakuri vs Luffy conquers clash made everyone fall down unconscious, and the same happened with Don Chinjao and Luffy.

Unleashing that haki is what makes physical damage to the surroundings as Shanks to Whitebeards ship or Doflamingo at the flower hill. But you will need to gather and concetrate that to increase your power in 1 point? When before it did it to all the surroundings?

 

[sanjikun]

So Luffy is not just doing "CoC coating" like Yamato, but doing INTERNAL DESTRUCTION with CoC. How deep your Haki "penetrates" depends on your CoA/Haki mastery. So not all "ACoC" are the same. You can have:

- "Basic CoC coating" which just coats weapon/hand with CoC (Yamato)

- "Penetration CoC coating" which blasts CoC internally and destroy opponent from within (Luffy)

Wanted to bump this, because Kaido confirmed my words. Luffy didn't stop using CoA or something. CoC is simply being wrapped around his CoA.

This implies that not all CoC coating automatically penetrates deep with someone. You need to pair it with Top Tier CoA.

CoC is not a substitute for CoA. It is complementary.

 

[S.W317]

Wanted to bump this, because Kaido confirmed my words. Luffy didn't stop using CoA or something. CoC is simply being wrapped around his CoA.

This implies that not all CoC coating automatically penetrates deep with someone. You need to pair it with Top Tier CoA.

CoC is not a substitute for CoA. It is complementary.

This leads me to believe that just like how CoC can be used offensively to complement CoA(regardless of the level of the CoA, I don’t think knowing “Ryou” is necessary to achieve CoC coating) it can also be used to complement CoO to achieve a level of CoO where you can understand and even comprehend the voices and thoughts of animals as well as objects and talk over great distances telepathically; coupled with Ryou and CoO usage you can hear the voices over a large surface area

 

[Chaves]

Plus it also has CoC levels, it has that normal use of CoC infusion and it has the use of CoC that makes you split the skies.
Luffy's CoC got stronger from chapter 1010 to chapter 1026

 

[IIskandar1997]

"ACoC" is not something that has ever been mentioned by Oda. This is a fanmade term. The problem with it, is it implies it's ONE THING. For example, FS is just FS. You see the Future and it's considered FS. But CoC coating has varying levels of power/mastery. It's not like you just get it and that's it. Even when Luffy used it, Kaido said his technique "was too sloppy". That implies it's not a binary either/or. There are degrees of mastery.

For example, Yamato could very easily deal with base/G3 Luffy physically.

But Luffy was WAAYYY more deadly against Kaido.

Why? His CoA/Haki mastery is on a much higher level. This was shown by his "internal/cuff destruction Haki".

In reality, Luffy explained it pretty easily. If you can make your CoA flow, you can make your CoC flow. That's why Luffy used it immediately.

ANYONE that can make Haki flow (uses Ryou) and possesses CoC, can you use this. It's literally the same concept. The reason that characters like Katakuri/Doflamingo or even Kid didn't use it, is because they weren't using "Ryou", but just CoA hardening. (However they were still placing CoC behind their attacks, just not "coating" with it).

Do what you do there ^ but with CoC, and you have "coating". But again, there are clearly DEGREES of "flowing". Only some like Luffy can do "Internal Destruction".

So Luffy is not just doing "CoC coating" like Yamato, but doing INTERNAL DESTRUCTION with CoC. How deep your Haki "penetrates" depends on your CoA/Haki mastery. So not all "ACoC" are the same. You can have:

- "Basic CoC coating" which just coats weapon/hand with CoC (Yamato)

- "Penetration CoC coating" which blasts CoC internally and destroy opponent from within (Luffy)

Problem is that Kaido seens just as oblivious about ryo haki as Yamato, but he is still equal to Luffy when it comes to haki, if not superior. You could argue that its because his conquerors is so powerful that it matches Luffy advanced techniques, but its still a point to considerate

 

[Tai long]

Wanted to bump this, because Kaido confirmed my words. Luffy didn't stop using CoA or something. CoC is simply being wrapped around his CoA.

This implies that not all CoC coating automatically penetrates deep with someone. You need to pair it with Top Tier CoA.

CoC is not a substitute for CoA. It is complementary.

this makes sense I always imagined luffy just stoped using advcoa and started using advcoc