Powers & Abilities ACoC strength level
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ACoC is not "advanced" CoC. This term came out of the fact that Luffy learned ACoA before using it, so they assumed ACoC is like ACoA. It's not. ACoC is simply using the basic Haki flow that Kiku and Kinemon are using, and combining it with CoC.
ACoC would be advanced if it required ACoA/internal destruction Haki. It doesn't.
Just because Luffy learned the actually ADVANCED cuff destruction CoA Haki, it doesn't mean you need it for "ACoC". Yamato had "ACoC" without ACoA.
These are just different applications of Haki. CoC can be used as Haki blasts, coating, observation killing, etc.
What Gaban said is you need to consciously use it for it to be useful and help Luffy. Zoro has NOT consciously knocked out fodders. He knocked them out as a result of Haki pouring out of Enma. Not that he can't learn it, but Gaban made it clear that he still has no idea what's happening.
ACoC would be advanced if it required ACoA/internal destruction Haki. It doesn't.
Just because Luffy learned the actually ADVANCED cuff destruction CoA Haki, it doesn't mean you need it for "ACoC". Yamato had "ACoC" without ACoA.
These are just different applications of Haki. CoC can be used as Haki blasts, coating, observation killing, etc.
What Gaban said is you need to consciously use it for it to be useful and help Luffy. Zoro has NOT consciously knocked out fodders. He knocked them out as a result of Haki pouring out of Enma. Not that he can't learn it, but Gaban made it clear that he still has no idea what's happening.
But strangely enough, you physical strength should also make your CoC stronger… CoC increases passively with your overall strength level…
This is why Kaido was then shocked by G5 Luffy’s CoC yet he’d just been stomping on G4 Luffy’s CoC… It’s like the increase in physical stats gotten from awakening just transferred to an increase in CoC automatically
This is why Kaido was then shocked by G5 Luffy’s CoC yet he’d just been stomping on G4 Luffy’s CoC… It’s like the increase in physical stats gotten from awakening just transferred to an increase in CoC automatically
What’s Enma have to do with CoC?
I mean when Kaido was below the rooftop when Luffy first awakened and sent out a haki burst that knocked out fodder below…
if CoC only grows from your overall strength growing then by definition, awakening should increase your CoC
he was shocked at Luffy's versatility. Combining his both his CoA, and CoC with his DF abilities seamlessly
if CoC only grows from your overall strength growing then by definition, awakening should increase your CoC
ACoC is not "advanced" CoC. This term came out of the fact that Luffy learned ACoA before using it, so they assumed ACoC is like ACoA. It's not. ACoC is simply using the basic Haki flow that Kiku and Kinemon are using, and combining it with CoC.
ACoC would be advanced if it required ACoA/internal destruction Haki. It doesn't.
Just because Luffy learned the actually ADVANCED cuff destruction CoA Haki, it doesn't mean you need it for "ACoC". Yamato had "ACoC" without ACoA.
These are just different applications of Haki. CoC can be used as Haki blasts, coating, observation killing, etc.
What Gaban said is you need to consciously use it for it to be useful and help Luffy. Zoro has NOT consciously knocked out fodders. He knocked them out as a result of Haki pouring out of Enma. Not that he can't learn it, but Gaban made it clear that he still has no idea what's happening.
ACoC would be advanced if it required ACoA/internal destruction Haki. It doesn't.
Just because Luffy learned the actually ADVANCED cuff destruction CoA Haki, it doesn't mean you need it for "ACoC". Yamato had "ACoC" without ACoA.
These are just different applications of Haki. CoC can be used as Haki blasts, coating, observation killing, etc.
What Gaban said is you need to consciously use it for it to be useful and help Luffy. Zoro has NOT consciously knocked out fodders. He knocked them out as a result of Haki pouring out of Enma. Not that he can't learn it, but Gaban made it clear that he still has no idea what's happening.
aCoC being the CoC infusion, we all know what is referred to when aCoC is being used.
Different application of CoC indeed but it is advanced because many Conquerors cannot use it. A handful of the strongest can.
You said >How could Zoro do this and you posted those images... I am wondering what is in those images that Zoro should do?
What happens in those images is inconsistent hype device, nothing more, just a prequel to sky split...
Zoro is already doing something far above that, the same thing all other big shots are doing - CoC infusion.
Gaban is technically right but his words are also irrelevant. Zoro was already doing it, despite not being aware of what he was doing.
Gaban confirmed that Zoro is at ease with it and now that he told him about it, Gaban's words can be treated as they don't exist.
Knocking out fodder consciously is pretty much pointless at this stage, even those who can do it are not allowed to do it because it makes the numbers battle pointless. It happened in FMI and it might happen in MJ war but that's as far as it goes probably...
But that's the issue. People co-opted the ACoA terminology, which IS correct, for ACoC, which isn't. There is nothing "advanced" about CoC coating. It's just basic Haki flow + CoC.
ACoC is only rare, because the amount of people who have control over their CoC is tiny. Even guys like Zoro and Kid have not been shown to have good control over it, and they are >>> YCs.
Again, my point is they are just different applications of CoC. It's not one above the other.
For example, this is an advanced version of Haki blasts/crowd control
"ACoC" is not the evolution of "basic Haki". That is ^. "ACoC" or coating, is just a different application of CoC.
ACoC is only rare, because the amount of people who have control over their CoC is tiny. Even guys like Zoro and Kid have not been shown to have good control over it, and they are >>> YCs.
Again, my point is they are just different applications of CoC. It's not one above the other.
For example, this is an advanced version of Haki blasts/crowd control
"ACoC" is not the evolution of "basic Haki". That is ^. "ACoC" or coating, is just a different application of CoC.
For the same reason Crocodile didn't use CoA, and he has it now. Oda has made it clear, anyone who uses CoC = automatically gets "ACoC". Zoro-insta unlocked it, and even Sanji will insta unlock it.
CoC coating is not the advanced version of Haki blasts. What Shanks did to Greenbull was the advanced version of it.
^That's the advanced version of crowd control. Coating is a whole other application. It's like CoA: Koka to CoA: Flow.
Oda had not fleshed out ACoC back then. Asking this question is just ignoring the fact that Oda retroactively adds stuff all the time.
CoC coating is not the advanced version of Haki blasts. What Shanks did to Greenbull was the advanced version of it.
^That's the advanced version of crowd control. Coating is a whole other application. It's like CoA: Koka to CoA: Flow.
Oda had not fleshed out ACoC back then. Asking this question is just ignoring the fact that Oda retroactively adds stuff all the time.
For the same reason Crocodile didn't use CoA, and he has it now. Oda has made it clear, anyone who uses CoC = automatically gets "ACoC". Zoro-insta unlocked it, and even Sanji will insta unlock it.
CoC coating is not the advanced version of Haki blasts. What Shanks did to Greenbull was the advanced version of it.
^That's the advanced version of crowd control. Coating is a whole other application. It's like CoA: Koka to CoA: Flow.
CoC coating is not the advanced version of Haki blasts. What Shanks did to Greenbull was the advanced version of it.
^That's the advanced version of crowd control. Coating is a whole other application. It's like CoA: Koka to CoA: Flow.
What Shanks did to GB is not gonna be as common as you think it will thus it cannot be counted as aCoC.
This is a new level of hype device above sky splits which achieve nothing combat wise while this does.
However, due to being very disadvantageous for the DF merchants, the chances of this ability being used are once in a fight.
Considering that many don't have COC to begin with, CoC infusion being called aCoC is pretty fitting if you ask me...
This is just dumb chronological bias. Chinjao had 100% of whatever Garp had.
Otherwise Garp wouldn't struggle that much and would need to train to beat him. Katakuri, Doffy, Hancock, and maybe even Crocodile, will show this.
The "advanced" part is refining it to a Top Tier level. That's Shanks territory, not current Yamato or Zoro (though Zoro will get there EOS).
Otherwise Garp wouldn't struggle that much and would need to train to beat him. Katakuri, Doffy, Hancock, and maybe even Crocodile, will show this.
The "advanced" part is refining it to a Top Tier level. That's Shanks territory, not current Yamato or Zoro (though Zoro will get there EOS).
You want to tell me a guy capable of COC infusion is getting beaten by the likes of Lao G and Don Sai?
That is obviously a very young Garp who may not have had CoC infusion at that point and thus the struggle.
There is no refining to top tier level, at least based on things shown so far. We saw Shanks use it on Kamusari, it is no different than the use on Zoro and Yamato.
That is obviously a very young Garp who may not have had CoC infusion at that point and thus the struggle.
There is no refining to top tier level, at least based on things shown so far. We saw Shanks use it on Kamusari, it is no different than the use on Zoro and Yamato.
"extremly obvious"
Anywyas oda put the dates for people like you so no problemi 