Ayo, so being flat earther already means you are better?
You said it, I don't know you, I neither know your accomplishments nor your actual education (judging from how you legit believe the earth is flat... I mean, bruh) but someone who claims that
people don't even have an idea of simple or logical things whilst you're straight refusing to believe clear facts (like we have horizons with a spherical earth, gravity, day night circle, seasons, actual footage of the globe, actual CALCULATIONS - and Eratosthenes proved it 2000 years ago by calculations, without the high advanced use of technology we're able to use nowadays) which is evidence for a spherical earth, shouldn't spout such horseshit in the first place. If you want to start arguing about logical things, start believing the more simpler things lol.
Anti feats is part of the debate, I am refuting your wanks and stupidity, many tier list in the wikis are bad, proven many times in other forums or maybe even in this.
See, that's why I told you to read the battledome rules before posting in this section because then you'd avoid writing this pure stupidity.
Anti feats are NOT part of multiverse battles, I have no actual idea how you even came to this conclusion. Except casuals or diehard fanboys, reasonable powerscalers do not use anti feats. You probably mean outliers but the issue is that none of your arguments represent an outlier in the first place.
Many fictional verses have dozens of anti feats, let's get started.
There were lots of FTL+ feats of DBZ characters, yet Dyspo was hyped as someone reaching LS in super. DB characters have universal AP but bullets hurt them and a train overpowered Goku. Can we start taking these anti feats seriously here?
Madara was taken down by a kunai.
Roger was killed by fodders.
And so on.
If you are refuting to argue about a more consistent base, you can also fuck off from here, seriously. Or try to bring a better concept than ours that it makes more sense to compare two different verses without major issues. I will wait. Or wait... Just fuck off, politely asking you.
No OP character is light speed, only Kizaru and that is only in travel.
Bold one wasn't even confirmed in the manga, pure headcanon.
OP characters demonstrated on
multiple occasions how they are able to react or interact with light speed. It is not just Kizaru's speed. King legit has an attack which is as fast as a beam. Sanji dodged multiple light beams with minor issues. Marco straight interfered Kizaru's light attack by travelling the distance between him and Whitebeard. Whitebeard interrupted Kizaru in the middle of his movement, in which he dispersed in photons and literally used the movement technique what you refer as light speed, which is another feat related to LS. Rayleigh also did the same.
Heck, even the databook states that the Raikage nearly reaches the speed of light
The Naruto databook which is full of exaggerated bullshit? You know it says Temari can blow up the universe or something like that?
You already overrate their feats. None of them have feats of interacting with LS nor a few relativistic ones either. The Haku statement is a vague thing about him travelling between his mirrors, not to mention that every other feat basically contradicts Haku's speed, hence an outlier. You say anti feats but you're using Haku as an example.
And no, I aint saying OP is a weak verse, it is overated.
You probably only know the HST verse as a whole. In the grand scheme of things, the HST verse isn't even at the top 10000 of fictional verses. I don't think reasonable powerscalers here "overrate" OP like you claim. Stop crying only because the hokages get folded here, you little fanboy.
Your entire argument is based on disbelief instead of actual evidence (ironic considering how this could be a reason why you refuse to believe that the earth isn't flat). And at last:
I am refuting your wanks and stupidity, many tier list in the wikis are bad, proven many times in other forums or maybe even in this.
There is no "wanks" and "stupidity" - the sites and sources I'm using also has the Naruto god tiers significantly above OP top tiers, so it is wank and stupidity too then? Many tier lists in these wikis are bad? They have a structured dimensional tiering list and although it ain't completely flawless (since every verse has its own interpretation of multiverses and whole structures as well), I doubt yours even come remotely close to theirs. Proven many times in other forums? What? Dimensional tiering is a wide concept being used in ALL battledome sites (except maybe Spacebattles or whatever). You can hardly disprove it.
You could argue for certain terms in terms of stats, ie split durability (physical and energy based attacks) which is nonsense imo. Not to mention that, if we would split durability into several sections, admirals would whoop the hokages' asses even easier. OP has dozens of feats of the former after all.
Fact? Oda has only mentioned Kizaru as LS and hypes it to be top tier in speed, the best of the best and you say it is a fact? Screw Oda then lol.
There is no Oda and there is no Kishimoto to answer such hypothetical issues to multiverse matchups; so merely relying on author's statements is another faulty thing. Statements can be used for evidence but you have to be careful with how reliable it is. Things like "This weapon is invincible" is an obvious no limit fallacy for example.
