Future Events Akainu and Blackbeard are destined to lose together
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Difference here is that Blackbeard doesn't have a superior, and Akainu does. Until his daddies Imu and the Gorosei gives him the green light, Akainu isn't going to be calling any shots at his own discretion, meanwhile Blackbeard's already making his moves to becoming the Pirate King.
I also don't see Akainu getting taken out of comission unless all the other Admirals are not a danger to the Straw Hats in any way as he has the most significance within the Marines' ranks in a multitude of ways, and such an earth-shattering event isn't likely going to occur until near or during the Final War, meanwhile Blackbeard will surely butt heads against Luffy at theirclimax of becoming the Pirate King. I see Luffy earning the Pirate King title before proceeding to take on World Government, the evil organization that serve as the antithesis of the whole story, and that'll be the Final War of the story, but there won't be much of a war if the Marines' biggest trump card falls prior to this event, which is why I simply can't see Akainu falling in the same arc as Blackbeard.
I also don't see Akainu getting taken out of comission unless all the other Admirals are not a danger to the Straw Hats in any way as he has the most significance within the Marines' ranks in a multitude of ways, and such an earth-shattering event isn't likely going to occur until near or during the Final War, meanwhile Blackbeard will surely butt heads against Luffy at theirclimax of becoming the Pirate King. I see Luffy earning the Pirate King title before proceeding to take on World Government, the evil organization that serve as the antithesis of the whole story, and that'll be the Final War of the story, but there won't be much of a war if the Marines' biggest trump card falls prior to this event, which is why I simply can't see Akainu falling in the same arc as Blackbeard.
Imo I think teach is a mix of whitebeard + xebec and shanks a mix of roger and xebec
I think Blackbeard does really look up to both but in the wrong way. Like he idolizes whitebeard’s strength not his character. Probably the same reason he looks up to xebec. He likely puts more value on his strength and ability to cause so much havoc rather than the why
As for shanks I do think he was initially built up to be somebody to surpass or inherent roger’s but for some reason or another things changed. If he ends up being xebec’s kid to it might’ve been the same. Maybe xebec had him for a similar reason Roger had ace
I think Blackbeard does really look up to both but in the wrong way. Like he idolizes whitebeard’s strength not his character. Probably the same reason he looks up to xebec. He likely puts more value on his strength and ability to cause so much havoc rather than the why
As for shanks I do think he was initially built up to be somebody to surpass or inherent roger’s but for some reason or another things changed. If he ends up being xebec’s kid to it might’ve been the same. Maybe xebec had him for a similar reason Roger had ace
Bumping this thread because I feel this still an interesting conversation lol. But to restate what the OP is saying, when you take a lot of narrative implications between Blackbeard and Akainu, they are inherently tied together. This is the same mindset I had for several years when guessing a Vegapunk arc was coming. We needed something because Kuma, Kizaru, Sentoumary, Bonney and Vegapunk all had core elements that needed resolution.
Same thing Is tied to Blackbeard and Akainu if Oda is meant to tie up lingering plot threads with them:
- Again, they are the main orchestrators of Marineford and the deaths of 2 major characters respectively, Ace and Whitebeard.
- Chapter 650 focuses on both of them specifically as a cautionary tale from Jinbe on what to expect going into the New World
- Kizaru and Aokiji are main focal points in the current plotline. Where Garp now has lost and Kizaru(and even Saturn) eventually losing, promping Akainu to take action against both Blackbeard and Luffy, including Sword for the former.
- Aokiji himself has narrative history with Akainu, and that may be explored, which would require the 2 to be in the same arc somehow
- Cross Guild is tied to both factions via Mihawk's Marine Hunting and the underworld business Buggy is using for hunting Marines, which Blackbeard is taking advantage of. I.e. the Underworld is a connective tissue between both Blackbeard and Akainu in a way
- Shanks himself has narrative tissue to the Marines (Ryokugyu states they intend to fight the RHP), Blackbeard (their history), and Luffy (obviously), prompting him to also be involved at some point but when would be anyone's guess
- Dragon's obvious past relationships with Garp and potentially Akainu may prompt him being involved at some point too. Not necessarily the full RA, but him and Sabo make sense especially for Sabo to get a cathartic resolution about Ace if both Akainu and Blackbeard are defeated.
- Finally, as mentioned, it comes down to battle logistics. What escalation comes after an Admiral? The Fleet Admiral no? A Yonko above Kaido? Conversely, how do you escalate for Zoro between Shiryu and Fujitora, or Sanji between Laffite and Ryokugyuu if these are their battles? A free for all then? 2 sequential battles between 1 or 2 arcs?
Smaller topics, but you can even take certain character relationships further:
- The Big Mom Pirates are tied to Elbaf inherently by virtue of Big Mom herself. On top of this, Pudding is kidnapped, so you could make the implication that this plotline with Blackbeard may come to head at Elbaf with Katakuri, Smoothie, etc.
- Neo MADS is obviously tied to Vegapunk, who will head to Elbaf, and they share history with the BMP, who are now tied to Blackbeard.
- SWORD is very clearly the narrative thread between the Marines and Blackbeard, so Koby, Drake, etc may end up being involved soon. Interestingly enough, Smoker was not present during those events but he IS friends with Kuzan, this should be present whenever his story is tackled.
And finally, to me, this is the big "Incident" the SHF ends up being a part of, the complete defeat of the current Marine establishment and a Yonko
By this point you are left with very few threads to pull on and One Piece resolves some of its biggest endgame roadblocks in one fell swoop....
Same thing Is tied to Blackbeard and Akainu if Oda is meant to tie up lingering plot threads with them:
- Again, they are the main orchestrators of Marineford and the deaths of 2 major characters respectively, Ace and Whitebeard.
- Chapter 650 focuses on both of them specifically as a cautionary tale from Jinbe on what to expect going into the New World
- Kizaru and Aokiji are main focal points in the current plotline. Where Garp now has lost and Kizaru(and even Saturn) eventually losing, promping Akainu to take action against both Blackbeard and Luffy, including Sword for the former.
- Aokiji himself has narrative history with Akainu, and that may be explored, which would require the 2 to be in the same arc somehow
- Cross Guild is tied to both factions via Mihawk's Marine Hunting and the underworld business Buggy is using for hunting Marines, which Blackbeard is taking advantage of. I.e. the Underworld is a connective tissue between both Blackbeard and Akainu in a way
- Shanks himself has narrative tissue to the Marines (Ryokugyu states they intend to fight the RHP), Blackbeard (their history), and Luffy (obviously), prompting him to also be involved at some point but when would be anyone's guess
- Dragon's obvious past relationships with Garp and potentially Akainu may prompt him being involved at some point too. Not necessarily the full RA, but him and Sabo make sense especially for Sabo to get a cathartic resolution about Ace if both Akainu and Blackbeard are defeated.
- Finally, as mentioned, it comes down to battle logistics. What escalation comes after an Admiral? The Fleet Admiral no? A Yonko above Kaido? Conversely, how do you escalate for Zoro between Shiryu and Fujitora, or Sanji between Laffite and Ryokugyuu if these are their battles? A free for all then? 2 sequential battles between 1 or 2 arcs?
Smaller topics, but you can even take certain character relationships further:
- The Big Mom Pirates are tied to Elbaf inherently by virtue of Big Mom herself. On top of this, Pudding is kidnapped, so you could make the implication that this plotline with Blackbeard may come to head at Elbaf with Katakuri, Smoothie, etc.
- Neo MADS is obviously tied to Vegapunk, who will head to Elbaf, and they share history with the BMP, who are now tied to Blackbeard.
- SWORD is very clearly the narrative thread between the Marines and Blackbeard, so Koby, Drake, etc may end up being involved soon. Interestingly enough, Smoker was not present during those events but he IS friends with Kuzan, this should be present whenever his story is tackled.
And finally, to me, this is the big "Incident" the SHF ends up being a part of, the complete defeat of the current Marine establishment and a Yonko
By this point you are left with very few threads to pull on and One Piece resolves some of its biggest endgame roadblocks in one fell swoop....
Lakainu is a government dog didn't orchestrate anything.
Lakainu become an actor in MF only because Teach choose to brought Ace alive. He literally told that WB, he brought Ace alive but WB still failed to save him.
If Teach killed him Lakainu wouldn't do shit about orchestrating anything.
Even PreQuake Teach was final villain for WB, not Akainu.
All you saying Red Dog is falling before Teach because even in MF, PreQuake Teach was final villain for WB, not Red Dog.
Teach is part of Worst Gen, rivals with Luffy. He has history with Luffy since Mock Town, Impel Down, to Dressrosa to Baltigo. Made Akainu equal Aokiji his underling.
Luffy and Red Dog didn't even talk with each other. They have same amount of history as Sabo has with Red Dog, who took Ace's DF.
Lakainu become an actor in MF only because Teach choose to brought Ace alive. He literally told that WB, he brought Ace alive but WB still failed to save him.
If Teach killed him Lakainu wouldn't do shit about orchestrating anything.
Even PreQuake Teach was final villain for WB, not Akainu.
All you saying Red Dog is falling before Teach because even in MF, PreQuake Teach was final villain for WB, not Red Dog.
Teach is part of Worst Gen, rivals with Luffy. He has history with Luffy since Mock Town, Impel Down, to Dressrosa to Baltigo. Made Akainu equal Aokiji his underling.
Luffy and Red Dog didn't even talk with each other. They have same amount of history as Sabo has with Red Dog, who took Ace's DF.
And yet, heres Luffy reacting to Akainu:
And ignoring Blackbeard
You make this too easy Lerkan. I wasnt even comparing the 2, you turned it into this
And ignoring Blackbeard
You make this too easy Lerkan. I wasnt even comparing the 2, you turned it into this
Jinbe mentioned Red Dog's name 1 page earlier, Luffy didn't react shit learn to read.
Then why does Luffy grab his chest smartass? Who argues like this
Because Luffy thought Red Dog potentially killed Aokiji who Luffy has history with clown? Lmao. Luffy literally asks Jinbe if Aokiji died or not right after, thats what Luffy was reacting, not to Red Dog name only, as I said learn to read before saying dumb things like Luffy reacting to Red Dog but not to Teach you clown.
