Controversial Akainu Is Not A Fascist, Featuring Ryokugyu

#81
You’re contradicting yourself. You said at the end of the day what matters is the results of your actions, and the results of Roger’s actions was the protection of the Celestial Dragons.
The result of Rogers actions was ROCKs being defeated, and him starting the Great Pirate Era to overthrow the WG. God Valley wasn't going to single handedly overthrow the WG, the Gorosei still exist.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#82
The result of Rogers actions was ROCKs being defeated, and him starting the Great Pirate Era to overthrow the WG. God Valley wasn't going to single handedly overthrow the WG, the Gorosei still exist.
Well shit bro. By that logic the end result of Akainu’s actions is that the majority of the citizens of the OP world live in quiet peace. Lol
 
#83
hes the type throw words like nazi, or fascist carelessly
hopefully you keep the way you think about fascism strictly to akainu and other one piece characters.


It would be awfully more depressing if you went about thinking about people this way irl
the number of regular people you might have called fascist would be disgusting.
Are you really trying to take the moral high ground by defending a genocider rn?:milaugh:

The threads name: "akainu is not a fascist featuring ryokugyu" and you are nagging at me that I shouldn't be using the words nazi or fascist? Like lmao I am on topic sir.
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Well shit bro. By that logic the end result of Akainu’s actions is that the majority of the citizens of the OP world live in quiet peace. Lol
"Quiet Peace" no they'd be in the same oppressed boat they've been in for 800 years, except now no funs allowed.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#85
"Quiet Peace" no they'd be in the same oppressed boat they've been in for 800 years, except now no funs allowed.
…which doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said, lol

Oppression and peace are not (always) contradictory. 99% of civilians in the OP world are safe from pirates and other nefarious criminals specifically thanks to the actions of Akainu and the Marines.
 
#86
…which doesn’t contradict anything I’ve said, lol

Oppression and peace are not (always) contradictory. 99% of civilians in the OP world are safe from pirates and other nefarious criminals specifically thanks to the actions of Akainu and the Marines.
The quiet peace you are talking about is a fascist system... which pirates rebel against... and Akainu crushes.... and is not interested in fixing...

I don't see anymore reason to be arguing about pirate politics if people are gonna be this dishonest.
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p.s. fun fact Oda has a Che Guevara poster!
 
#87
Are you really trying to take the moral high ground by defending a genocider rn?:milaugh:

The threads name: "akainu is not a fascist featuring ryokugyu" and you are nagging at me that I shouldn't be using the words nazi or fascist? Like lmao I am on topic sir.
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"Quiet Peace" no they'd be in the same oppressed boat they've been in for 800 years, except now no funs allowed.
Lee thinks "following orders" is a good defense.

That should tell you everything.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#88
The quiet peace you are talking about is a fascist system... which pirates rebel against... and Akainu crushes.... and is not interested in fixing...
Again you seem to be ignoring the point that the vast majority of civilians in the OP world are safe from criminals lol…

Which is why I’m telling you the “end result” logic doesn’t work here, because if we go by “end result logic”, then we have to declare a civilian murderer a hero and a good guy because his actions keep most people in the world safe lol.

Lee thinks "following orders" is a good defense.

That should tell you everything.
What are you referring to exactly? I have never defended the morality of Akainu’s actions lol.
 
#89
Are you really trying to take the moral high ground by defending a genocider rn?:milaugh:

The threads name: "akainu is not a fascist featuring ryokugyu" and you are nagging at me that I shouldn't be using the words nazi or fascist? Like lmao I am on topic sir.
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"Quiet Peace" no they'd be in the same oppressed boat they've been in for 800 years, except now no funs allowed.
if you had said akainu is a fascist because he killed off an entire group of innocent people then at least I would have taken what you said a bit more seriously even though technically that still wouldnt be what a fascist is.



but you specifically made a comment about upholding the current structure which will apply to every marine. in other-words your argument for who is a fascist becomes generalized and lacks any sort of individual analysis. End of the day it doesnt matter what good garp, coby do, why ?
because they are upholding an oppressive structure according to you. most marines would never encounter a cd esp those of lower rank but by your idiotic definition, they would meet the definition for what a fascist is .


when you dont know what words mean
stop throwing it around like an idiot .
 
#90
shock , horror
a military officer still has to address political leaders with the appropriate honorific even whilst hes critical. my word you are dense.





reason is worthless
those actions helped to uphold the same power structure we see in current one piece.
I see someone else has been introduced to the mind boggling hypocrisy and brainlessness of Durableguy, lmao!
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#94
The issue is they know what the CDs do.

Exactly why haven't they overthrown the WG in 800 years?
My problem is that Admiral fans act like that's bad, though.
So what if the Admirals bootlick the CDs? That doesn't mean they're shit characters or anything.
I feel like they're afraid of them not being Conquerors because they praise the CDs, and I can sort of understand that I guess, but still.
 
#95
Akainu is a fascist independent of the World Government. “Absolute Justice” could not be more overt.

We’ve been over this already and you have learned absolutely nothing.
That definition very much describes the WORLD GOVERNMENT, which is a centralised, autocratic government headed by dictatorial leaders, and Akainu's role in it, which is the means by which said government violently suppresses opposition.

We don't need to know the specifics of Akainu's views; he serves an oppressive, authoritarian regime that enslaves and rules through violence, control of information, misinformation and extrajudicial killings - including that of civilian scholars and all those critical of or in contradiction to the state dogma, i.e. all those that can be considered a threat to "the group", which is what fascism boils down to.

Fascism boils down "This is the group. This is how we do things. Conform, or else."

Whether Akainu likes his superiors is irrelevant. Fascism cannot sustain itself precisely because it is an ideology that needs out-groups and enemies to ostracise to sustain itself. Infighting and collapse is the inevitable fate of all fascistic regimes. So, even if Akainu one day decided the Gorosei had to go and removed them from power, nothing would change his views on how to wield that power. He already believes Absolute Justice, which is a product of the World Government's influence, permits summary executions for dissent, desertion and insubordination - i.e. fascism.

I'll be charitable and chalk this up to genuine ignorance, rather than the blatant denial this reads as. Here's a video that breaks down what fascism actually is.

I would also generally recommend trying to form understandings of concepts from a historical context rather than attempting to get by on textbook definitions.
 
#96
This just muddies “fascist” and makes it a useless term
He's kinda right tho. Garp knows that the CD are fascist and he still keeps working for them. I wouldn't call sakazuki and garp fascist personally but @Rumble and @DavyJones have a point. If you're working for fascist and you know then there's a problem. The Marines are just the CD and gorosei puppet garp knows this but he still keeps working for them. I think it's definitely more complicated than being easy
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I don't know about Kuzan, after all he still didn't do anything to stop the raid on Ohara, but he didn't seem to really like it either.
He also let Robin escape. He never really liked the buster call of ohara.
 
#98
Are you going to answer my question? When have Admiral fans ever defended the “just following orders” mindset?
Considering you guys are intentionally pretending the marines make the OP world safe from pirates when we've seen this really isn't the case.

I think you guys are playing soft apologetics.

We literally see Blackbeard wipe out drum island and the marines don't do shit.

The east blue would have been wiped out by Arlong.

The grand line is full of pirates and the New World is ruled by them
We've even seen Whitebeards homeland terrorized by marines.
 
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