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[MarineHQ]

If you got nothing
Dont write

You're the only one who came talking about kidd being x level or not
Maybe others did but can't remember

Do you actually wanna talk anything about the thread or you just wanna be salty about kidd?

You're definitely the last person that could tell me what to do, trust me on that.

Why should i be salty about Kid when everything he did was getting his ass whooped in the new world.

If u claim something like Kid being above YC1 then expect others to demand some evidence from you.

 

[Finalbeta]

we haven't seen his limits or even half of his limits

That's not too relevant. We know that Kaido managed to take down Kidd along with his alliance, this already tells us that Kidd is way weaker than Kaido, and he never undertook something as efficient as the Udon training afterwards.

 

[ankama]

Even discarding the logical side of the production of the episode, we will consider the purely plot side, which is now the 3rd act.

FIVE ACTS OF KABUKI

• Jo | First Act
  • A slow opening which introduces the characters and the story.
• Ha | Second, Third and Fourth Act
  • It is the combination of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th act.
  • The second and fourth act consists of battles.
  • The Ha speeds up the action leading to a reat dramatic moment or tragedy in the third act.
• Kyu | Final Act or Fifth Act
  • This act wraps up the story in a quick and satisfying conclusion.

Act 3 ends in tragedy, bringing us to the combat denouement and resolution of the situation in Act 4 and the climax in Act 5.
Although, nothing prevents the Oda from making Oden's flashback at the beginning of Act 3 the very tragedy that everyone is waiting for. But that would be a ridiculous and weak move, if we proceed from the general presentation of the plot by acts.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Is there any specific Fire Festival that Wano's is based on? Because the festivals I know commonly involve wealth, fortune and defeating the bad spirits, and it pretty much fits that Kaido goes down here and now just for that.

 

[Bil02]

It was never said 9 shadows will beat kaido.
Oden words were repeated for these 5.
Who said memes crew will come ? Oda wouldnt have marco say that for no reason.

Lol don't be naive @HA001 ,you really think Oda brought the Big mom pirates for no reason? This is the "Marco will not come" all over again and Marco came.
Same for the navy,they may not have the biggest impact in this war but I think they are definitely coming at some point with Kizaru.

As for the 9 shadows,Toki said they are the ones who will bring the dawn to Wano and open the borders and knowing Oda's writing style,We are definitely getting a chapter title named "the 9 shadows" .
We know it can't be the scabbards since they've already failed in their primary task.
9 sn vs Kaido? I'm definitely not ruling that out.

 

[HA001]

Lol don't be naive @HA001 ,you really think Oda brought the Big mom pirates for no reason? This is the "Marco will not come" all over again and Marco came.
Same for the navy,they may not have the biggest impact in this war but I think they are definitely coming at some point with Kizaru.

As for the 9 shadows,Toki said they are the ones who will bring the dawn to Wano and open the borders and knowing Oda's writing style,We are definitely getting a chapter title named "the 9 shadows" .
We know it can't be the scabbards since they've already failed in their primary task.
9 sn vs Kaido? I'm definitely not ruling that out.

The 9 shadows are the scabbards and they can open the borders
Nothing was said about beating kaido.

You dont be naive theres a reason meme and peros were seperated from the rest of the crew because those 2 need to go down so the rest fall under kata.

 

[Bil02]

And how are they going to do that? They can’t climb a waterfall, never mind fly to Onigashima

I don't know for now but hasn't Oda subverted the strawhats' odds of escape many time in the past? He can still do it if he wants.
I just don't think the navy will be fearing the return of the most fearful pirate crew(Kaido-Big Mom) and then have them losing to 5 people.
Either Big Mom betrays Kaido before the fight's conclusion/get stalled by someone else or the 5 Sn lose against 2 emperors.

 

[HA001]

I don't know for now but hasn't Oda subverted the strawhats' odds of escape many time in the past? He can still do it if he wants.
I just don't think the navy will be fearing the return of the most fearful pirate crew(Kaido-Big Mom) and then have them losing to 5 people.
Either Big Mom betrays Kaido before the fight's conclusion/get stalled by someone else or the 5 Sn lose against 2 emperors.

Where was the fear.
If they were that afraid theyd have dropped what they were doing and sent everyone wano. Heck kizaru himself offered to go.

 

[Bil02]

The 9 shadows are the scabbards and they can open the borders
Nothing was said about beating kaido.

You dont be naive theres a reason meme and peros were seperated from the rest of the crew because those 2 need to go down so the rest fall under kata.

When Marco dropped the Big Mom pirates and said the age would've changed when they climb,Perospero was also with them,yet he is now in Onigashima too which means Marco's words weren't to be taken that seriously.
The 9 shadows aren't the scabbards,I'm pretty sure of that. If they were,we would've had confirmation before their defeat.

Anyways let's look what happens and see who of you or me was right.

 

[HA001]

When Marco dropped the Big Mom pirates and said the age would've changed when they climb,Perospero was also with them,yet he is now in Onigashima too which means Marco's words weren't to be taken that seriously.
The 9 shadows aren't the scabbards,I'm pretty sure of that. If they were,we would've had confirmation before their defeat.

Anyways let's look what happens and see who of you or me was right.

Like i just said, the two meme pirates in the way of kata leading them and eventually allying with luffy are on onigashima
The rest who would follow kata are not. This is not a coincidence.

Lmfao how would we have confirmation was toki gonna magically appear to say they are/arent the 9 shadows.

 

[Bil02]

Where was the fear.
If they were that afraid theyd have dropped what they were doing and sent everyone wano. Heck kizaru himself offered to go.

Fujiitora and Akainu talked about the most fearsome pirate crew in the world being back in 957.
And they were hoping the SsG was may be going to counter balance this new shift in power.

 

[HA001]

Fujiitora and Akainu talked about the most fearsome pirate crew in the world being back in 957.
And they were hoping the SsG was may be going to counter balance this new shift in power.

Yet they have carried on what they are doing and not gone to wano.

 

[Bil02]

Like i just said, the two meme pirates in the way of kata leading them and eventually allying with luffy are on onigashima
The rest who would follow kata are not. This is not a coincidence.

Lmfao how would we have confirmation was toki gonna magically appear to say they are/arent the 9 shadows.

We would have confirmation because the 9 shadows will be explained later and be named after a chapter title.
Oda always explains things like this so i'll wait for confirmation.
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Yet they have carried on what they are doing and not gone to wano.

Just like Marco said he will not be coming and finally came.This is something I never doubted even when many were saying he or Jinbei will not come.

Just like how you think the BM pirates will not get involved in this war and I think they will.

 

[HA001]

We would have confirmation because the 9 shadows will be explained later and be named after a chapter title.
Oda always explains things like this so i'll wait for confirmation.

Why would odens words, you know the only words that actually talk about beating Kaido be repeated this chapter if more fighters were gonna come later ? Why not put those words when everyone is there.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Lol don't be naive @HA001 ,you really think Oda brought the Big mom pirates for no reason?

Oda has wasted characters before, not the first time he includes an element he will never make proper use of. For all we know, the only reason why they are here is, first, for story consistency (Big Mom needed some army to attack Wano), and second, bringing Perospero too so he can close Carrot's plot. Don't get me wrong, I'd love if they did something in the arc, but Oda isn't to be trusted in this issue at all.

 

[Bil02]

Nine shadows were by toki she isn't madam shyarly

I know that,I just believe Oda is going to explain that with a chapter title called 9 shadows.
I'm willing to wait how it turns out.

 

[vikas]

The 9 shadows aren't the scabbards,I'm pretty sure of that. If they were,we would've had confirmation before their defeat.

The thing is Toki's Prophecy has nothing to do with Defeating Kaido. It is more related to Wano itself(and probably related to the one piece world through Wano opening the border)

 

[Bil02]

ON A MOONLIT NIGHT
NINE SAMURAI GHOST - scabbards seems like it
WIll emerge to kill you - in context to orochi

this panel has been abused
the scabbards arent done
their role can still be observed

Orochi mentioned in 928 or 929(Komuraski's fake execution) how the 9 shadows aren't only coming for him but for Kaido's head too.
I just think if the scabbards were the ones,we would have had confirmation by now.
Time will tell if I'm right or no.
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The thing is Toki's Prophecy has nothing to do with Defeating Kaido. It is more related to Wano itself(and probably related to the one piece world through Wano opening the border)

Defeating Kaido must be done to open the borders.
I always thought that much was clear.
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Oda has wasted characters before, not the first time he includes an element he will never make proper use of. For all we know, the only reason why they are here is, first, for story consistency (Big Mom needed some army to attack Wano), and second, bringing Perospero too so he can close Carrot's plot. Don't get me wrong, I'd love if they did something in the arc, but Oda isn't to be trusted in this issue at all.

Sure but I believe otherwise just like how I believed Marco will come when people were saying he is not coming.
Akainu and Fujiitora mentioned how this new alliance is the most fearsome in the world.
Either Big Mom betrays Kaido before the fight's conclusion or we are about tobsee why this Kaido-Big mom alliance is that feared and it passes by involvement of Big Mom pirates and near defeat of luffy and Co.

 

[vikas]

9 shadows to orochi
or kaido
I have heard different things.
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ON A MOONLIT NIGHT
NINE SAMURAI GHOST - scabbards seems like it
WIll emerge to kill you - in context to orochi

this panel has been abused
the scabbards arent done
their role can still be observed.

Isn't that just what Orochi thinks it is?

"Like the Moon, you are ignorant of the Dawn. If there is one ardent wish that must be fufilled, it will be when nine shadows are cast woven together through twenty years of moonlits nights. Only then shall you understand the radiance of Dawn. "

This is something Toki said towards Wano(country/Citizens of wano).

• ignorant of the Dawn => most probably relating to being a closed country.
• If there is one ardent wish that must be fulfilled => Historical wish of wano country(or maybe Part of Joyboy's wish similar to FIshman island).
• it will be when nine shadows are cast woven together through twenty years of moonlits nights => This most probably refers to the scabbard since mentions a time span of twenty years(of night), probably them being the key to opening the borders, which is true too since without them nothing would have come to this. Defeating Kaido etc is just the process.
• Only then shall you understand the radiance of Dawn. => Open borders and profit?

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Defeating Kaido must be done to open the borders.
I always thought that much was clear.

But that is just a part of the process, nothing to do with prophecy itself nor the final goal opening the borders. In the end it will their job to make wano a better country and open borders.

 

[Bil02]

Why would odens words, you know the only words that actually talk about beating Kaido be repeated this chapter if more fighters were gonna come later ? Why not put those words when everyone is there.

Because those 5 are the primary figures?
I always saw Toki's prophecy as complementary to Oden's words.
I have no problem being wrong about this though but for now I can't see 5 sn winning against these 2 emperors without some outside intervention and this is not because I don't believe in Luffy and co,just that Oda will be hyping New Rox at some point and show why even the navy is wary of them.
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Isn't that just what Orochi thinks it is?

"Like the Moon, you are ignorant of the Dawn. If there is one ardent wish that must be fufilled, it will be when nine shadows are cast woven together through twenty years of moonlits nights. Only then shall you understand the radiance of Dawn. "

This is something Toki said towards Wano(country/Citizens of wano).

• ignorant of the Dawn => most probably relating to being a closed country.
• If there is one ardent wish that must be fulfilled => Historical wish of wano country(or maybe Part of Joyboy's wish similar to FIshman island).
• it will be when nine shadows are cast woven together through twenty years of moonlits nights => This most probably refers to the scabbard since mentions a time span of twenty years(of night), probably them being the key to opening the borders, which is true too since without them nothing would have come to this. Defeating Kaido etc is just the process.
• Only then shall you understand the radiance of Dawn. => Open borders and profit?

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But that is just a part of the process, nothing to do with prophecy itself nor the final goal opening the borders. In the end it will their job to make wano a better country and open borders.

Don't think so,I beleive those who take down Kaido are those who bring the dawn to Wano and open borders.
We can agree to disagree until further proof in the manga if you want.