Powers & Abilities An Explanation of The Deal With Enma
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If Enma has the unique function to allow you to cut more than you could normally, at the cost of more Haki than you could expend normally, then it is a power up.
Just by holding it he has the option to do something that he could not do before.
Again, it's very similar to G4 in some ways, and even by your own description it can be counted perfectly fine as a power up. You say :
Well if he could not without Enma, isn't it a power up ?
Or let's say that for Mihawk for example, let's say that Yoru "allows him to use his full potential".
Isn't getting Yoru instead of another sword, Mihawk getting a power up.
Seems like part of Zoro's fanbase built this stigma around the notion of a power up, and now have extreme adversity to saying Zoro's getting one in any way, shape or form.
Just by holding it he has the option to do something that he could not do before.
Again, it's very similar to G4 in some ways, and even by your own description it can be counted perfectly fine as a power up. You say :
Well if he could not without Enma, isn't it a power up ?
Or let's say that for Mihawk for example, let's say that Yoru "allows him to use his full potential".
Isn't getting Yoru instead of another sword, Mihawk getting a power up.
Seems like part of Zoro's fanbase built this stigma around the notion of a power up, and now have extreme adversity to saying Zoro's getting one in any way, shape or form.
Because enma is holding him back right now.
Look at it this way. Enma is a sword that forces the user to use more haki then it want if they can't control it. The higher level you master the sword the better you are at controlling that. Since Zoro hasn't fully master enma he has to be cautious when using haki so he doesn't use too much haki and put himself in a bad situation.
In other words, Zoro is being very cautious and is holding back so he doesn't overdo it.
Look at it this way. Enma is a sword that forces the user to use more haki then it want if they can't control it. The higher level you master the sword the better you are at controlling that. Since Zoro hasn't fully master enma he has to be cautious when using haki so he doesn't use too much haki and put himself in a bad situation.
In other words, Zoro is being very cautious and is holding back so he doesn't overdo it.
Aah, I think you're misunderstanding. If I understand @Rivaille properly, we think that Enma would let Zoro improve his ryuo (proficiency, strength, control, etc.). We do not think that wielding Enma enables Zoro to do something he couldn't do before but that by using Enma, Zoro would be slowly strengthening himself.
Once Zoro has mastered Enma, if you replaced Enma with Shusui, we don't think Zoro would become any weaker. Once Zoro has mastered Enma, Enma becomes equivalent to just any O Wazamono sword. Substituting Enma for another sword of the same grade (which Zoro is acclimatised to) would not make him any weaker. This is why @Rivaille and others don't believe Enma is a power up.
You think that Enma would enable Zoro to perform attacks he couldn't perform otherwise, they disagree. They think using Enma would gradually raise Zoro's abilities itself, but that holding Enma doesn't make him stronger.
I am personally not sold on Enma as G4. I think it's plausible and wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but it's not something I'm convinced of yet. I'm mostly taking a wait and see approach. The true nature of Enma would become apparent later this year.
Once Zoro has mastered Enma, if you replaced Enma with Shusui, we don't think Zoro would become any weaker. Once Zoro has mastered Enma, Enma becomes equivalent to just any O Wazamono sword. Substituting Enma for another sword of the same grade (which Zoro is acclimatised to) would not make him any weaker. This is why @Rivaille and others don't believe Enma is a power up.
You think that Enma would enable Zoro to perform attacks he couldn't perform otherwise, they disagree. They think using Enma would gradually raise Zoro's abilities itself, but that holding Enma doesn't make him stronger.
I am personally not sold on Enma as G4. I think it's plausible and wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but it's not something I'm convinced of yet. I'm mostly taking a wait and see approach. The true nature of Enma would become apparent later this year.
Well @Rivaille said he agreed with the premise that Enma would allow Zoro to cut more than he'd be able to otherwise by draining a lot of Haki.
It's a concept that makes sense seeing Enma in action initially, as well as Zoro's comments of "Unleashing Enma" more.
After the training with Enma Zoro gains better control over his Haki because of this forced back and forth, which ends up being an overall boost in strength, and because of that training he can now control how much he "Unleashes Enma".
For example let's say this is a basic representation of how Zoro uses his Haki to increase his attack power
With a normal sword, the "tunnel" that connects the green and red in the image, through which Zoro forces out his Haki and converts it into attack power has a certain size.
With Enma though that "tunnel" can become much larger, to allow Enma to drain huge amounts of Haki ouf of the body very fast. So then Zoro can learn to regulate that, and decide wether it allows Enma to feast upon his Haki and force it out into a huge attack, or less so in order to no deplete his reserves too fast in battle.
Could you point at one other example where Zoro was able to translate so much of his Haki into an attack that his arm withered away, without using Enma ?
It's a concept that makes sense seeing Enma in action initially, as well as Zoro's comments of "Unleashing Enma" more.
After the training with Enma Zoro gains better control over his Haki because of this forced back and forth, which ends up being an overall boost in strength, and because of that training he can now control how much he "Unleashes Enma".
For example let's say this is a basic representation of how Zoro uses his Haki to increase his attack power
With a normal sword, the "tunnel" that connects the green and red in the image, through which Zoro forces out his Haki and converts it into attack power has a certain size.
With Enma though that "tunnel" can become much larger, to allow Enma to drain huge amounts of Haki ouf of the body very fast. So then Zoro can learn to regulate that, and decide wether it allows Enma to feast upon his Haki and force it out into a huge attack, or less so in order to no deplete his reserves too fast in battle.
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Could you point at one other example where Zoro was able to translate so much of his Haki into an attack that his arm withered away, without using Enma ?
Are you new to One Piece or what? 
Nobody wants Enma's ability, not a single swordsman wants to waste their haki and get drained.
The two greats, Roronoa and Kozuki, have completely stopped the ability from happening.
Nobody wants Enma's ability, not a single swordsman wants to waste their haki and get drained.
The two greats, Roronoa and Kozuki, have completely stopped the ability from happening.