Powers & Abilities An Explanation of The Deal With Enma
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Well @Rivaille said he agreed with the premise that Enma would allow Zoro to cut more than he'd be able to otherwise by draining a lot of Haki.
It's a concept that makes sense seeing Enma in action initially, as well as Zoro's comments of "Unleashing Enma" more.
After the training with Enma Zoro gains better control over his Haki because of this forced back and forth, which ends up being an overall boost in strength, and because of that training he can now control how much he "Unleashes Enma".
For example let's say this is a basic representation of how Zoro uses his Haki to increase his attack power
With a normal sword, the "tunnel" that connects the green and red in the image, through which Zoro forces out his Haki and converts it into attack power has a certain size.
With Enma though that "tunnel" can become much larger, to allow Enma to drain huge amounts of Haki ouf of the body very fast. So then Zoro can learn to regulate that, and decide wether it allows Enma to feast upon his Haki and force it out into a huge attack, or less so in order to no deplete his reserves too fast in battle.
Could you point at one other example where Zoro was able to translate so much of his Haki into an attack that his arm withered away, without using Enma ?
It's a concept that makes sense seeing Enma in action initially, as well as Zoro's comments of "Unleashing Enma" more.
After the training with Enma Zoro gains better control over his Haki because of this forced back and forth, which ends up being an overall boost in strength, and because of that training he can now control how much he "Unleashes Enma".
For example let's say this is a basic representation of how Zoro uses his Haki to increase his attack power
With a normal sword, the "tunnel" that connects the green and red in the image, through which Zoro forces out his Haki and converts it into attack power has a certain size.
With Enma though that "tunnel" can become much larger, to allow Enma to drain huge amounts of Haki ouf of the body very fast. So then Zoro can learn to regulate that, and decide wether it allows Enma to feast upon his Haki and force it out into a huge attack, or less so in order to no deplete his reserves too fast in battle.
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Could you point at one other example where Zoro was able to translate so much of his Haki into an attack that his arm withered away, without using Enma ?
Gojo stated that cursed techniques are similar to a machines (which in this case is Enma) and cursed energy are your energy to make up various abilities to fight. If you put more cursed energy into your techniques then it will be stronger. Just like how Zoro put more haki into Enma to amplify his attacks.
That's why Zoro says that he wants to unleash it more 
The Haki does not have to be wasted, it just needs to be translated into an attack properly. Then Enma can become an asset like Luffy's G4, getting more with it at a cost.
The Haki does not have to be wasted, it just needs to be translated into an attack properly. Then Enma can become an asset like Luffy's G4, getting more with it at a cost.
Yeah, think of haki as cursed energy from Jujutsu Kaisen.
Gojo stated that cursed techniques are similar to a machines (which in this case is Enma) and cursed energy are your energy to make up various abilities to fight. If you put more cursed energy into your techniques then it will be stronger. Just like how Zoro put more haki into Enma to amplify his attacks.
Gojo stated that cursed techniques are similar to a machines (which in this case is Enma) and cursed energy are your energy to make up various abilities to fight. If you put more cursed energy into your techniques then it will be stronger. Just like how Zoro put more haki into Enma to amplify his attacks.
So you can train to limit it to an extent, and still take advantage of it's unique feature in order to use larger chunks of Haki for your attacks. Naturally with the downside that you are expending it quicker.
We literally had Enma’s power explained to us and folk are still acting like it’s some great mystery over what it does.
“Exudes the wielder’s Ryou on it’s own.”
Not some magic reserve of Haki to be touched into in the sword, but Zoro’s own Ryou. The power comes from him.
”and slices more than needed.”
Zoro tries a casual slice of a tree, and Ryou instead steals all his Haki and makes him cut off a chunk of coastline. It’s still Zoro’s power doing it- we saw him do as much and more against Pica- but it’s not what he intended to do.
“Exudes the wielder’s Ryou on it’s own.”
Not some magic reserve of Haki to be touched into in the sword, but Zoro’s own Ryou. The power comes from him.
”and slices more than needed.”
Zoro tries a casual slice of a tree, and Ryou instead steals all his Haki and makes him cut off a chunk of coastline. It’s still Zoro’s power doing it- we saw him do as much and more against Pica- but it’s not what he intended to do.
We literally had Enma’s power explained to us and folk are still acting like it’s some great mystery over what it does.
“Exudes the wielder’s Ryou on it’s own.”
Not some magic reserve of Haki to be touched into in the sword, but Zoro’s own Ryou. The power comes from him.
”and slices more than needed.”
Zoro tries a casual slice of a tree, and Ryou instead steals all his Haki and makes him cut off a chunk of coastline. It’s still Zoro’s power doing it- we saw him do as much and more against Pica- but it’s not what he intended to do.
“Exudes the wielder’s Ryou on it’s own.”
Not some magic reserve of Haki to be touched into in the sword, but Zoro’s own Ryou. The power comes from him.
”and slices more than needed.”
Zoro tries a casual slice of a tree, and Ryou instead steals all his Haki and makes him cut off a chunk of coastline. It’s still Zoro’s power doing it- we saw him do as much and more against Pica- but it’s not what he intended to do.
Imagine drinking juice through a straw. There's only so much you can drink at a time because of it's size.
Then you get a special straw that forcibly syphons half of the glass in one go and all comes bursting out at once.
The glass of juice is the same, that does not change. What changes is the straw you are using.
That's Enma's power, and was shown on panel.
It can actually kill people against their will with it, so Enma very much has a power of it's own.
Then you get a special straw that forcibly syphons half of the glass in one go and all comes bursting out at once.
The glass of juice is the same, that does not change. What changes is the straw you are using.
That's Enma's power, and was shown on panel.
It can actually kill people against their will with it, so Enma very much has a power of it's own.
So, what I still fail to grasp is:
Whats the PURPOSE of Enma existing?
WHY Enma is the special snowflake that drains Haki?
WHY did Zoro decided to use such a tool that hinders him in battle, against a Yonko?
Couldn't it just be Nidai Kitetsu, which was ALREADY introduced and Zoro ALREADY took interest in it? Which also would make a pair with Sandai.
Can't Zoro learn to control his ryou better without a tool that forces him to do it? Like Luffy did?
The ONLY reason I can think of, is just to wank Oden even more. If Zoro is having this much trouble with 1 sword, even when they said it would be easier for him due to Wado being forged by the same smith, what does it say about a dude that wielded, as far as we know, 2 Enmas, and probably never managed to turn them into black blades simply because he got killed before reaching that level?
If it is just because of Oden, then I will keep disliking this sword, since I profoundly dislike him as a character.
the "21-supreme grade" thing is something that makes the sword more impressive than the one that wields it. So, if Zoro can only become the TOP swordsman, not just by his strenght and techniques, but he also needs a boost having THE BEST POSSIBLE BLADES, it feels cheesy to the character that was always about building his way to the top through sheer hard work.
Whats the PURPOSE of Enma existing?
WHY Enma is the special snowflake that drains Haki?
WHY did Zoro decided to use such a tool that hinders him in battle, against a Yonko?
Couldn't it just be Nidai Kitetsu, which was ALREADY introduced and Zoro ALREADY took interest in it? Which also would make a pair with Sandai.
Can't Zoro learn to control his ryou better without a tool that forces him to do it? Like Luffy did?
The ONLY reason I can think of, is just to wank Oden even more. If Zoro is having this much trouble with 1 sword, even when they said it would be easier for him due to Wado being forged by the same smith, what does it say about a dude that wielded, as far as we know, 2 Enmas, and probably never managed to turn them into black blades simply because he got killed before reaching that level?
If it is just because of Oden, then I will keep disliking this sword, since I profoundly dislike him as a character.
the "21-supreme grade" thing is something that makes the sword more impressive than the one that wields it. So, if Zoro can only become the TOP swordsman, not just by his strenght and techniques, but he also needs a boost having THE BEST POSSIBLE BLADES, it feels cheesy to the character that was always about building his way to the top through sheer hard work.
It does not waste it, that was also shown on panel.
The extra Haki stayed in the blade and Zoro could call it back.
What we were shown was that Zoro was unaware of how much Haki will be forced out, thus could not make use of it.
A Zoro with Enma mastery can limit how much the blade draws, and then use attacks that expend it because he knows how much he has at his disposal, unlike it was the case with the test run.
The extra Haki stayed in the blade and Zoro could call it back.
What we were shown was that Zoro was unaware of how much Haki will be forced out, thus could not make use of it.
A Zoro with Enma mastery can limit how much the blade draws, and then use attacks that expend it because he knows how much he has at his disposal, unlike it was the case with the test run.