General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.

[OEKaneki]

Waiting for the argument that Kizaru is also a master silverer and a master jeweler because he has attacks named after a mirror and a jewel.

 

[comrade]

The thing also is, nearly all of the strongest and most important figures are using blades, both in the past and present.

- Roger
- Xebec
- Shiki
- Big Mom
- Kizaru
- Shanks

But at the same time, most of those guys seem to be unrelated to the WSS dream. Shanks makes sense, he was Mihawk's rival. Fujitora makes sense, he was specifically called a swordsman. But all of them? Since the new gen is surpassing the old gen, that would put Zoro under the pressure to be atop of everyone who used a blade. And that means atop of the most significant people of all time.

I'm sure Im and Joyboy also fought with a blade. Lol. Im was seen cutting the wanted posters apart with a blade. Someone using the blade for such minor tasks, instead of ripping the paper with the hands, indicates that his prefered weapon is a blade as well.

 

[nik87]

It proves that using a weapon against another weapon for CqC is a better choice than going bare handed. Hence for the Wano war, Orochi's foes were gathering as many weapons as they could. And each and every marine is trained in various forms of combat.

In marineford, most marine soldiers were carrying a sword. Coby was seen honing his swordskill. Sanji in his Germa days was seen honing his swordskills.

Saying Kizaru used his lasers and kicks "only" for fodders (though he used it on Marco and Whitebeard as well) would imply that Zoro would also keep his blades away unless he faces serious threads. Do you see Zoro going bare handed against opponents which are not on his level?

Of course it is better to go with a weapon against a weapon and yet, plenty of characters who dont do that.
Using other means for combat didnt stop anyone from being a swordsman. Not Zoro, not Law, not Fujitora, not Mihawk, not anyone...
Kizaru has a named sword and his toughest battle so far, he fought with a sword.

Yet somehow Mihawk didnt even dream of going to Tottoland ro challenge the only active top tier swordman of the time

Can you now explain to me how did the world grant Mihawk wss title without him battling BM? Or even Kizaru ?
Unless you believe pre Yonko shanks > BM/Kizaru/Fuji

Because the narrative is a foreign concept to you... Also, if you are specifically asking someone, tag them or quote them.

Waiting for the argument that Kizaru is also a master silverer and a master jeweler because he has attacks named after a mirror and a jewel.

Dont have to wait for mental gymnastics how one who fights with sword isnt a swordsman.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Seems like I did and you didnt see it despite responding to it? C'mon, Takezo-kun...

If it was random, he would have called it Light saber just like Aokiji called his Ice Saber, instead it is a named Sword of Gathering Clouds of the Heaven.

I asked when i claimed he oneshot him

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Anyone who uses kicks and punches is a brawler. Yes including kizaru and big mom.

 

[nik87]

I asked when i claimed he oneshot him

Nobody claimed he was one-shotted, learn to read

I or Nobody, decide Takezo-kun...

 

[Blackbeard]

Just a question for those curious about Kizaru's named technique, if Kizaru's light manifestation which is part of his devil fruit makes him a swordsman indeed placing him < Mihawk by default, does it mean Oda would neglect his entire arsenal of destructive attacks (lasers, explosive kicks, laser barrages) and even his Logia awakening mode which should logically be on the same caliber as Akainu's/Aokiji's solely because his manifested sword-shaped light weapon is his strongest move? So Oda would make all-out Kizaru forget about his immensely powerful Logia and use a fucking light saber instead of his island-level destructive fruit?

The wank is getting mightier lmfao

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

I or Nobody, decide Takezo-kun...

Yep you.

My question was, why Kizaru did not use a sword slash to take out Whitebeard

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Just a question for those curious about Kizaru's named technique, if Kizaru's light manifestation which is part of his devil fruit makes him a swordsman indeed placing him < Mihawk by default, does it mean Oda would neglect his entire arsenal of destructive attacks (lasers, explosive kicks, laser barrages) and even his Logia awakening mode which should logically be on the same caliber as Akainu's/Aokiji's solely because his manifested sword-shaped light weapon is his strongest move? So Oda would make all-out Kizaru forget about his immensely powerful Logia and use a fucking light saber instead of his island-level destructive fruit?

The wank is getting mightier lmfao

Of course, once you use a sword, everything else you get automatically get reduced to the level of your swordsmanship

 

[comrade]

There might be a difference between swordsman and swordskill. Fujitora can fall under the swordsman narrative, even though he has a gravity fruit. He is labelled as a swordsman and he uses it as his main fighting power. His DF is complementary. But Kizaru? He used a sword exactly one time, because it was the best way to go in CqC with another swordsman. And that was base Kizaru only. No awakening.

 

[nik87]

Just a question for those curious about Kizaru's named technique, if Kizaru's light manifestation which is part of his devil fruit makes him a swordsman indeed placing him < Mihawk by default, does it mean Oda would neglect his entire arsenal of destructive attacks (lasers, explosive kicks, laser barrages) and even his Logia awakening mode which should logically be on the same caliber as Akainu's/Aokiji's solely because his manifested sword-shaped light weapon is his strongest move? So Oda would make all-out Kizaru forget about his immensely powerful Logia and use a fucking light saber instead of his island-level destructive fruit?

The wank is getting mightier lmfao

What are laser, kicks and laser barrage gonna do against Rayleigh?

why Kizaru did not use a sword slash to take out Whitebeard

And I asked you if that is what you imagine an artist portraying War of the Best wants to show us - Kizaru taking out WB with a swords slash? You responded positively...

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

What are laser, kicks and laser barrage gonna do against Rayleigh?

And I asked you if that is what you imagine an artist portraying War of the Best wants to show us - Kizaru taking out WB with a swords slash? You responded positively...

Which is dodging the question, just simply answer

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

There might be a difference between swordsman and swordskill. Fujitora can fall under the swordsman narrative, even though he has a gravity fruit. He is labelled as a swordsman and he uses it as his main fighting power. His DF is complementary. But Kizaru? He used a sword exactly one time, because it was the best way to go in CqC with another swordsman. And that was base Kizaru only. No awakening.

There isn´t though.

 

[comrade]

There isn´t though.

So is everyone a swordsman that possesses a good amount of swordskill? Coby and Sanji also trained to fight with a sword.

 

[nik87]

Which is dodging the question, just simply answer

Because he was never in a serious 1vs1 with WB and even if he was he couldnt take out Whitebeard?

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Because he was never in a serious 1vs1 with WB and even if he was he couldnt take out Whitebeard?

So he claimed he would take out Whitebeard and was not serious about it?
Proof of him not being serious on page please.

 

[comrade]

Because he was never in a serious 1vs1 with WB

But he assaulted Whitebeard, using Yasakani no Magatama. When Marco interfered and was assaulting Kizaru, Kizaru responded with a Yasakani no Magatama as well. Why not taking out his blade to cut Marco instead? Marco is still Whitebeard's right hand man; enough to get serious and not fool around. And plus, Whitebeard's hype exceeds Rayleigh's and Kizaru went for Yasakani no Magatama.

 

[nik87]

So he claimed he would take out Whitebeard and was not serious about it?
Proof of him not being serious on page please.

Him being serious about taking out WB is him giving up right after that? Ok, Takezo-kun.

 

[nik87]

But he assaulted Whitebeard, using Yasakani no Magatama. When Marco interfered and was assaulting Kizaru, Kizaru responded with a Yasakani no Magatama as well. Why not taking out his blade to cut Marco instead? Marco is still Whitebeard's right hand man; enough to get serious and not fool around. And plus, Whitebeard's hype exceeds Rayleigh's and Kizaru went for Yasakani no Magatama.

Because, as Kizaru himself said, it wont be so easy...

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

So is everyone a swordsman that possesses a good amount of swordskill? Coby and Sanji also trained to fight with a sword.

Yes, anybody who can fight with a sword and it does not hinder them and is useful can be classified as such.
Sanji is skilled with knives but he has a code of not to use them. Would he have profited from using them possibly when Jyabra attacked him with his claws? I would think so.
And Coby seems to have adapted Garp´s fighting style, so sword would hinder if he can compensate it with other skills.