General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.

This is the way I've always seen it: A swordsman is somebody whose main fighting style revolves around swordsmanship (swordsmanship obviously being the skill of using a sword).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this interpretation would mean that Law isn't a swordsman until we see him use his sword as something other than a means to use his devil fruit (I still call him a swordsman though, because Oda has referred to him as a swordsman before).
 
Oda would laugh at you if you told him Kizaru is a swordsman. Dude doesn't even carry a sword. At best you can make an argument semantically, narratively speaking it's irrelevant, he isn't confined to, or measured by, any swordsman standards. Funnily enough Fujitora has shown less actual sword skill but his character makeup is that of a swordsman, not Kizaru who literally doesn't have even have a sword.

This fanbase is caught up in some of the most nonsensical debates and this never ending sword debate is at the forefront.
This should have closed this thread.
 
Oda would laugh at you if you told him Kizaru is a swordsman. Dude doesn't even carry a sword. At best you can make an argument semantically, narratively speaking it's irrelevant, he isn't confined to, or measured by, any swordsman standards. Funnily enough Fujitora has shown less actual sword skill but his character makeup is that of a swordsman, not Kizaru who literally doesn't have even have a sword.

This fanbase is caught up in some of the most nonsensical debates and this never ending sword debate is at the forefront.
It´s not really semantics, the problem is rather believing that being a swordsman supposedly erases any other fighting style you have, and you have to be defined by one thing only.
 
It's hard to call it a sword what Kizaru used. It was simply a manifestation of light. What would be the difference between a light sword and a light rod? It's not the sword that is called ama no murakumo also. It's the technique itself that allows Kizaru to manifest his light, is called such. Yata no Kagami also is a shield. But in Kizaru's case, it's just a beam for travelling.

I doubt Zoro or Mihawk would seek Kizaru out because he can shapeshift his light into a sword. Lol.
 
It's hard to call it a sword what Kizaru used. It was simply a manifestation of light. What would be the difference between a light sword and a light rod? It's not the sword that is called ama no murakumo also. It's the technique itself that allows Kizaru to manifest his light, is called such. Yata no Kagami also is a shield. But in Kizaru's case, it's just a beam for travelling.

I doubt Zoro or Mihawk would seek Kizaru out because he can shapeshift his light into a sword. Lol.
Agreed lol, Big Mom makes a lot more sense. I still would struggle to call her a swordsman though.
 
It's hard to call it a sword what Kizaru used. It was simply a manifestation of light. What would be the difference between a light sword and a light rod? It's not the sword that is called ama no murakumo also. It's the technique itself that allows Kizaru to manifest his light, is called such. Yata no Kagami also is a shield. But in Kizaru's case, it's just a beam for travelling.

I doubt Zoro or Mihawk would seek Kizaru out because he can shapeshift his light into a sword. Lol.
Isnt Kagami a mirror?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Nobody claimed he was one-shotted, learn to read
Is that how you imagine Oda setting up Marineford? Kizaru one-shotting Whitebeard?
Seems like I did and you didnt see it despite responding to it? C'mon, Takezo-kun...
It's hard to call it a sword what Kizaru used. It was simply a manifestation of light. What would be the difference between a light sword and a light rod? It's not the sword that is called ama no murakumo also. It's the technique itself that allows Kizaru to manifest his light, is called such. Yata no Kagami also is a shield. But in Kizaru's case, it's just a beam for travelling.

I doubt Zoro or Mihawk would seek Kizaru out because he can shapeshift his light into a sword. Lol.
If it was random, he would have called it Light saber just like Aokiji called his Ice Saber, instead it is a named Sword of Gathering Clouds of the Heaven.
 
If it was random, he would have called it Light saber just like Aokiji called his Ice Saber, instead it is a named Sword of Gathering Clouds of the Heaven.
All of Kizaru's abilities are named after japanese relicts. That's not in itself a proof for him being a swordsman. Anyone who ate the light fruit, would be able to create such a blade. And each and every marine would then use that light sword.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
All of Kizaru's abilities are named after japanese relicts. That's not in itself a proof for him being a swordsman. Anyone who ate the light fruit, would be able to create such a blade. And each and every marine would then use that light sword.
Is him fighting against Rayleigh enough proof that he is a swordsman?
 
Is him fighting against Rayleigh enough proof that he is a swordsman?
It proves that using a weapon against another weapon for CqC is a better choice than going bare handed. Hence for the Wano war, Orochi's foes were gathering as many weapons as they could. And each and every marine is trained in various forms of combat.

In marineford, most marine soldiers were carrying a sword. Coby was seen honing his swordskill. Sanji in his Germa days was seen honing his swordskills.

Saying Kizaru used his lasers and kicks "only" for fodders (though he used it on Marco and Whitebeard as well) would imply that Zoro would also keep his blades away unless he faces serious threads. Do you see Zoro going bare handed against opponents which are not on his level?
 
J

Jo_Ndule

"BM Kizaru are swordmen"
But Posthawk never sought them , he was only seeking Shanks to duels.
Both never challenged BM in sword duel...
They grew up by battling each other
They both became well known fighters 15 years ago max while BM was already Yonko 20+ years ago

Dont you see how flawed your logic work?
We know pirates seek Yonko ,
People sought WB BM Kaido

Yet somehow Mihawk didnt even dream of going to Tottoland ro challenge the only active top tier swordman of the time

Can you now explain to me how did the world grant Mihawk wss title without him battling BM? Or even Kizaru ?
Unless you believe pre Yonko shanks > BM/Kizaru/Fuji/Kuzan

Why doesn't Zoro novel mentions BM/Kizaru then for WSS race? When they mentioned Shanks Mihawk... are you saying zoro/Law/Vista are more qualified and better swordmen than BM/Kizaru?

You literally wont give a concrete clear answer coz the world never recognized BM and Kizaru as Swordmen
Or else The Novel will mention them and Mihawk would have challenged them in the past.
 
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