Chapter Discussion As much as i love the new fights
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For someone complaining about lazy writing, you write a whole lot of nothing instead of actually detailing what is lazy lol.
The clashes and history have been set up for both sets of characters in hindsight for hundreds of chapters. And theres literally tons of dialogue as to why the Yonko system exists and why even fucking Kaido and BM never got the other's RPs.
But yes, lets continue to call something lazy writing without explaining why its actually lazy or even providing a detail on what could be better or improved.
Just bitch bitch bitch, which you spend alot of energy doing anyway lmao
The clashes and history have been set up for both sets of characters in hindsight for hundreds of chapters. And theres literally tons of dialogue as to why the Yonko system exists and why even fucking Kaido and BM never got the other's RPs.
But yes, lets continue to call something lazy writing without explaining why its actually lazy or even providing a detail on what could be better or improved.
Just bitch bitch bitch, which you spend alot of energy doing anyway lmao
Sigh.... let me take it real slow. Shanks hasn't done anything the past 1000+ chapters; due note I said one thousand, not one hundred. BB hasn't done anything the entire post time skip. Oda has forgotten about them because he was too focused on writing the Kaida/Big Mom saga, so now that he has neglected them for so long and wants to insert them back into his story, he has no choice but to take the lazy route of just handing them rubbings instead of actually planning and developing them prior hence why it is lazy writing. For example, instead of having Shanks being left out of the story for 1000+ chapters, Oda could have devoted a few chapters of Shanks getting the rubbings way back during the reverie. This is a symptom of an author that doesn't plan well and improvises every chapter. Do you understand now?
And ask yourself Lee, how does that not break the logic of what I literally just said and what Oda set up?
If Shanks went to take BMs poneglyph, then it would have been a full scale war and WCI would not have not happened. Same thing with Wano. And you know, very clearly, that Shanks does not start conflicts, he tries to keep the peace. And also to add, Whitebeard was specifically called out for saying that starting a war with another Yonko would cause damage with too many innocents. The ONLY reason the fight Kaido happened without casualties to the rest of Wano (and it nearly did), was specifically because it was planned as a raid on Onigashima. Shanks did NOT go to them specifically because
1) Hes a pacifist unless provoked, theres enough writing for you to understand this
2) Hes been waiting for Luffy for those 1000 chapters, if it wasnt clear enough.
In Blackbeards case, hes been entirely portrayed as opportunistic:
- Waits on WBs ship to find the Darkness Fruit, kills Thatch when its found
- Targets Luffy, then Ace, Becomes Shichibukai to gain access to the Tarai Current, breaks out Impel Down Members
- Plans a war to weaken Whitebeard and steal his powers.
- Uses Rocky Port incident with Ochoku/Koby/Law to take over Fullalead
- Waits for the right moment to steal 2-3 RPs from his enemy
How is that last point lazy writing its directly in line with how Blackbeard is portrayed? How is it lazy writing when Shanks, the pacifist, offers to Kid to not fight and instead hand them over?
Explain to me what could have worked better. You still havent. Complaining about what you dont like isnt a valid excuse for lazu writing, sorry.
If Shanks went to take BMs poneglyph, then it would have been a full scale war and WCI would not have not happened. Same thing with Wano. And you know, very clearly, that Shanks does not start conflicts, he tries to keep the peace. And also to add, Whitebeard was specifically called out for saying that starting a war with another Yonko would cause damage with too many innocents. The ONLY reason the fight Kaido happened without casualties to the rest of Wano (and it nearly did), was specifically because it was planned as a raid on Onigashima. Shanks did NOT go to them specifically because
1) Hes a pacifist unless provoked, theres enough writing for you to understand this
2) Hes been waiting for Luffy for those 1000 chapters, if it wasnt clear enough.
In Blackbeards case, hes been entirely portrayed as opportunistic:
- Waits on WBs ship to find the Darkness Fruit, kills Thatch when its found
- Targets Luffy, then Ace, Becomes Shichibukai to gain access to the Tarai Current, breaks out Impel Down Members
- Plans a war to weaken Whitebeard and steal his powers.
- Uses Rocky Port incident with Ochoku/Koby/Law to take over Fullalead
- Waits for the right moment to steal 2-3 RPs from his enemy
How is that last point lazy writing its directly in line with how Blackbeard is portrayed? How is it lazy writing when Shanks, the pacifist, offers to Kid to not fight and instead hand them over?
Explain to me what could have worked better. You still havent. Complaining about what you dont like isnt a valid excuse for lazu writing, sorry.
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why should i want to see shanks sailing around getting poneglyph rubbings like a fucking rookie when he's already made 99 percent of the journey? why NOT just wait until the next generation gets close? youre like so brain poisoned by shitty marvel movies and streaming shows you think writing that makes sense is lazy and "good" writing is when shit happens for no reason. yeah, something that makes logical sense is a symptom of a guy making shit up. rofl.
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what kind of peanut brain thinks it would be better storytelling to see shanks running around doing shit that makes him look closer to scratchmen apoo than a yonko
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why should i want to see shanks sailing around getting poneglyph rubbings like a fucking rookie when he's already made 99 percent of the journey? why NOT just wait until the next generation gets close? youre like so brain poisoned by shitty marvel movies and streaming shows you think writing that makes sense is lazy and "good" writing is when shit happens for no reason. yeah, something that makes logical sense is a symptom of a guy making shit up. rofl.
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what kind of peanut brain thinks it would be better storytelling to see shanks running around doing shit that makes him look closer to scratchmen apoo than a yonko
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Let us just focus on Shanks. What you said about Shanks being a pacificist unless being provoked I don't agree with however for this argument it is totally fine to believe that. So with that, Oda as an author still needs to incorporate that into the plotline of Shanks getting the rubbings; that is what good authors do. Let us use your example of Shanks being a pacificist, then a more proper way of handling it is to have Shanks "the Pacifist" obtain the poneglyphs via Toki, or Rayleigh or even some plot line with SWORD instead of just creating a plot convenience via Kidd. The fact that Shanks still doesn't have ponegylph rubbings after being a Yonko for that long is an issue. He should have been having those rubbings somehow.
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But you're totally okay with Luffy running up the stairs for 6 months to get to the roof?
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But you're totally okay with Luffy running up the stairs for 6 months to get to the roof?
Kid vs. Shanks and Law vs. Blackbeard is the greatest combat shit Oda has done post-TS.
Every single other fight we know the result. Unless you were one of the delusional people who thought "Raid would fail" or "Luffy is not strong enough for Katakuri", every ending has been obvious. Seeing the fandom guessing wtf is going on, is something very new in One Piece. It goes back to MF days.
It actually took some non-Luffy people to make combat unpredictable, because Luffy will always be predictable.
Every single other fight we know the result. Unless you were one of the delusional people who thought "Raid would fail" or "Luffy is not strong enough for Katakuri", every ending has been obvious. Seeing the fandom guessing wtf is going on, is something very new in One Piece. It goes back to MF days.
It actually took some non-Luffy people to make combat unpredictable, because Luffy will always be predictable.
It is 100% plot convenience. Kidd getting the poneglyph rubbings from Luffy then Shanks, who hasn't done anything for the past 1000+ chapters, steals it from him is without a doubt plot convenience. Tama having a devil fruit that counters SMILEs is without a doubt plot convenience. Big Mom sleeping as soon as she frees Luffy from Udon prison is without a doubt plot convenience. Big Mom defeating Ulti and Page One is without a doubt plot convenience. Oda is the unanimous King among all authors when it comes to plot convenience.
Dude, I was giving you an example. I am not a 25 year veteran writer like Oda. However, I can even write what Oda did with Shanks/Kidd and the poneglyphs. That is easy to write and think of. I would expect a 25 year veteran in writing would have better writing than a casual like me. "Let me have Shanks still the rubbings from Kidd", wow how hard was that to think of. Story telling is fiction, you can be as creative as you want however having Shanks steal rubbings from Kidd is the creativity level of a kid--pun intended.
Also, those characters aren't random. Toki could have been incorporated with Shanks during Oden's flashback since they were on the same ship. Rayleigh already knows what the poneglyphs say and was on the same ship with Shanks, Einstein. Member of SWORD is X-Drake who happens to be a member of the beast pirates so if you use your brain a little you can easily think of trying to establish a connection between X-Drake and Shanks. This isn't rocket science.
Also, those characters aren't random. Toki could have been incorporated with Shanks during Oden's flashback since they were on the same ship. Rayleigh already knows what the poneglyphs say and was on the same ship with Shanks, Einstein. Member of SWORD is X-Drake who happens to be a member of the beast pirates so if you use your brain a little you can easily think of trying to establish a connection between X-Drake and Shanks. This isn't rocket science.
First,
Teach never sat on his ass like BM and Kaido. He was always on the move.
Second, they aren't getting it for free - kidd and law defeated a yonkou so they are strong.
Both BB and Shanks have to fight them to get it.
Third, not having equal fights? Huh?? I didn't see you complaining when BB with half of his crew went on to take whole crew of Law.
So why now when shanks is there with giants? Not to mention Shanks didn't intercept Kidd but it's Kidd who came knocking on the door of Elabaf.
Lazy writing would be if Kaida and BM had one each and somehow BB and Shanks also had one each.
You people didn't cry when BM and kaido had RPG and didn't do shit but suddenly when BB and shanks are making move and actually challenging Kidd and law for it then suddenly it's bad?
Teach never sat on his ass like BM and Kaido. He was always on the move.
Second, they aren't getting it for free - kidd and law defeated a yonkou so they are strong.
Both BB and Shanks have to fight them to get it.
Third, not having equal fights? Huh?? I didn't see you complaining when BB with half of his crew went on to take whole crew of Law.
So why now when shanks is there with giants? Not to mention Shanks didn't intercept Kidd but it's Kidd who came knocking on the door of Elabaf.
Lazy writing would be if Kaida and BM had one each and somehow BB and Shanks also had one each.
You people didn't cry when BM and kaido had RPG and didn't do shit but suddenly when BB and shanks are making move and actually challenging Kidd and law for it then suddenly it's bad?
One that didnt even support your argument
Evidently not
And yet, you just gave the worst examples ive ever seen. Shanks asking Toki for a Poneglyph when shes dead? Rayleigh helping to do what? What does Sword have to do with Poneglyph searching. You just pulled random names out of your ass that dont support your argument. You look like a fool.
And yet, your alternative was Shanks finding rubbings from Toki, who is dead.
Lmfao, so Shanks, before Roger became PK, was supposed to ask Toki about the RPs....before Roger got them? Wtf?
Again, why the fuck would Sword, a marine faction, help ANOTHER YONKO to steal an RP.
What would Rayleigh do anything but tell Shanks where the RP is? Shanks or his crew would have needed to infiltrate Wano without any Beast Pirate noticing, break into Orochi's castle (where fucking Robin, master sneaker, got caught), find Sukiyaki's secret entrance to the RP. Kaido watches the shores of Wano. This was never going to happen
Im dying at this comment. Your examples are WAY worse than we got and dont make a lick of sense. Lee, im sorry, but you have absolutely no imagination, nor do you evej understand whats going in the story. Evidently, you dont even read the chapters. You just sound like an idiot
Evidently not
And yet, you just gave the worst examples ive ever seen. Shanks asking Toki for a Poneglyph when shes dead? Rayleigh helping to do what? What does Sword have to do with Poneglyph searching. You just pulled random names out of your ass that dont support your argument. You look like a fool.
And yet, your alternative was Shanks finding rubbings from Toki, who is dead.
Lmfao, so Shanks, before Roger became PK, was supposed to ask Toki about the RPs....before Roger got them? Wtf?
Again, why the fuck would Sword, a marine faction, help ANOTHER YONKO to steal an RP.
What would Rayleigh do anything but tell Shanks where the RP is? Shanks or his crew would have needed to infiltrate Wano without any Beast Pirate noticing, break into Orochi's castle (where fucking Robin, master sneaker, got caught), find Sukiyaki's secret entrance to the RP. Kaido watches the shores of Wano. This was never going to happen
Im dying at this comment. Your examples are WAY worse than we got and dont make a lick of sense. Lee, im sorry, but you have absolutely no imagination, nor do you evej understand whats going in the story. Evidently, you dont even read the chapters. You just sound like an idiot
That is one thing. The worst part about this is that we are not getting results of said fights for fucks knows how long
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Yeah tbf he is better than the others in this, but still look at how much Luffy and Law did in 2ish months compared to BB who done minimum in 2 years.
Why didnt they try to defeat big mom and kaido then? Lmao. Law and Kidd are easy to hunt its obvious.
Please be serious. Bunch of fodders + law vs BB and people with OP fruits.
Uuuhhh... what that has to do with anything?
I always complained why these dudes sat on their ass the whole time.
