Powers & Abilities asura being haoshoku haki makes no sense
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So Mihawk knows less about swordsmanship than Kaido?
It's debatable it's CoC, and I am going with Zoro, not Kaido who doesn't even know about ryuo and calls it strange haki, despite living on Wano for 25 years. Kaido also didn't detect Luffy's usage till it was too late, his senses aren't the best.
It's not debatable if it's advanced CoC, it definitely isn't, no haki tendrils.
It's debatable it's CoC, and I am going with Zoro, not Kaido who doesn't even know about ryuo and calls it strange haki, despite living on Wano for 25 years. Kaido also didn't detect Luffy's usage till it was too late, his senses aren't the best.
It's not debatable if it's advanced CoC, it definitely isn't, no haki tendrils.
So Mihawk knows less about swordsmanship than Kaido?
It's debatable it's CoC, and I am going with Zoro, not Kaido who doesn't even know about ryuo and calls it strange haki, despite living on Wano for 25 years. Kaido also didn't detect Luffy's usage till it was too late, his senses aren't the best.
It's not debatable if it's advanced CoC, it definitely isn't, no haki tendrils.
It's debatable it's CoC, and I am going with Zoro, not Kaido who doesn't even know about ryuo and calls it strange haki, despite living on Wano for 25 years. Kaido also didn't detect Luffy's usage till it was too late, his senses aren't the best.
It's not debatable if it's advanced CoC, it definitely isn't, no haki tendrils.
It's coc. Kaido knows what coc is. He's been hit by ryou all day and never said coc once.
If he knows why is he asking a question?
It's dubious, Oda made it intentionally ambiguous with Zoro's response to make the fandom debate this.
The implications to Zoro and Mihawk's incompetence to not know about "his CoC" and for Kaido to know more about Asura than either of them is bad for both of them.
I will wait and see Zoro consciously use it before treating this as confirmed.
It is confirmed to not be adv CoC though, so even the most extreme zoro fanboys need to drop that nonsense.
It's dubious, Oda made it intentionally ambiguous with Zoro's response to make the fandom debate this.
The implications to Zoro and Mihawk's incompetence to not know about "his CoC" and for Kaido to know more about Asura than either of them is bad for both of them.
I will wait and see Zoro consciously use it before treating this as confirmed.
It is confirmed to not be adv CoC though, so even the most extreme zoro fanboys need to drop that nonsense.
Yes, it's the embodiment of the spirit where the user can exude their own will, to dominate the will of others. It's not described as the embodiment of there spirit where the users Will manifests and takes the shape of whatever they want it to. Asura does not dominate a persons Will, unless you're going to tell me that Kaku's willpower was just so much greater than Zoro's that even being hit by a direct AdCoC attack it wasn't enough to make the man pass out. If that's the case Kaku should have never lost that fight if his Willpower was that great.
Luffy was asking with confidence and a smile, Kaido was asking with a look of shock and confusion.
Kaido answered yes, Zoro answered no.
Ray did tell him about FS, showed him ryuo and told him CoC would grow as he grew, so no, it's not the same. I doubt Ray has aCoC or FS, and Luffy was having trouble with basic hardening coming out of the skip so it was probably beyond him to teach him ryuo at that time.
Mihawk completely failing to identify Zoro as a CoC user despite seeing Asura makes him look like a joke who doesn't understand swordsmanship, which is not the case.
Kaido answered yes, Zoro answered no.
Ray did tell him about FS, showed him ryuo and told him CoC would grow as he grew, so no, it's not the same. I doubt Ray has aCoC or FS, and Luffy was having trouble with basic hardening coming out of the skip so it was probably beyond him to teach him ryuo at that time.
Mihawk completely failing to identify Zoro as a CoC user despite seeing Asura makes him look like a joke who doesn't understand swordsmanship, which is not the case.
Did you see the future or what happen during the time skip?
Are you sure Zoro used Asura vs Mihawk?
In any case, Oda title for this chapter is Conqueror hacky. Usually the author want to bring extra attention in the chapter in the first time you introduce the name of the title in the chapter, that happen with Zoro and Kaido.
So how in the world should I give credit to a fan headcanon and ignore the will of the author for this chapter?
Oda introduce CoC in this chapter with Zoro not Luffy. Oda want that the reader get introduce with the title of the chapter with Zoro and not Luffy. That is a very bold decision. You give a lot spot line to not the MVP but his right hand.
Think about that.
Are you sure Zoro used Asura vs Mihawk?
In any case, Oda title for this chapter is Conqueror hacky. Usually the author want to bring extra attention in the chapter in the first time you introduce the name of the title in the chapter, that happen with Zoro and Kaido.
So how in the world should I give credit to a fan headcanon and ignore the will of the author for this chapter?
Oda introduce CoC in this chapter with Zoro not Luffy. Oda want that the reader get introduce with the title of the chapter with Zoro and not Luffy. That is a very bold decision. You give a lot spot line to not the MVP but his right hand.
Think about that.
Yes its the embodiment of the spirit... which is the fundamental notion of Coc and the definition applies to Ashura neatly as an embodiment of zoro's spirit it doesn't contradict that fundamental principles of it being a manifestation of zoro's spirit and if Ashura isn't Coc then why didn't kaido notice his Dynasty traits when zoro imbued a ridiculous amount of haki while pulling Dragon blaze.. why only ashura.. it doesn't make sense... honestly there were more chances of imbuing Coc inadvertently in his blade then than it was now since zoro was just beaten dead and had to pull ashura if he did imbue Coc while in ashura
The definition doesn't need to specifically about shape shifting spirit when Reyleigh said its the manifestation of one's will and spirit which even Kaku noticed and which is what zoro actually did... Coc is directed at certain people that can be subdued by will... zoro doesn't even know the basics.. so he doesn't know how to focus his will on others let alone use it as offense
So Zoro knows how to manifest his Coc inadvertently as a technique using his spirit but doesn't know how to force certain people under his will.. zoro used his spirit to construct a technique unique to him which is why he is a genius
that should disprove the fact that it is Acoa.. or that Ashura isn't CoC
The definition doesn't need to specifically about shape shifting spirit when Reyleigh said its the manifestation of one's will and spirit which even Kaku noticed and which is what zoro actually did... Coc is directed at certain people that can be subdued by will... zoro doesn't even know the basics.. so he doesn't know how to focus his will on others let alone use it as offense
So Zoro knows how to manifest his Coc inadvertently as a technique using his spirit but doesn't know how to force certain people under his will.. zoro used his spirit to construct a technique unique to him which is why he is a genius
that should disprove the fact that it is Acoa.. or that Ashura isn't CoC
So Zoro lost his eye without using Asura agaisnt Mihawk? Strange.
He called it haoushoku because Luffy is learning to coat his fists in haoushoku is a massive turning point in this story for his growth.
You ignore the question marks of Kaido, and ignore Zoro's denial, claiming Kaido to be omniscient about Zoro's esoteric ability.
Why isn't Kaido's CoC creating strange projections behind him also, if that is what the author is intending in your headcanon?
Are you someone who thinks asura is using ADVANCED or using BASE CoC?
If you think advanced please don't bother replying because I have made the ironclad argument as to why this is impossible in other threads and if you refuse to remove yourself from headcanon world I can't help you. I
f you think it is base CoC I am happy to continue because that has been left open to speculation intentionally by Oda and my argument is merely my best guess based on the information at hand.
He called it haoushoku because Luffy is learning to coat his fists in haoushoku is a massive turning point in this story for his growth.
You ignore the question marks of Kaido, and ignore Zoro's denial, claiming Kaido to be omniscient about Zoro's esoteric ability.
Why isn't Kaido's CoC creating strange projections behind him also, if that is what the author is intending in your headcanon?
Are you someone who thinks asura is using ADVANCED or using BASE CoC?
If you think advanced please don't bother replying because I have made the ironclad argument as to why this is impossible in other threads and if you refuse to remove yourself from headcanon world I can't help you. I
f you think it is base CoC I am happy to continue because that has been left open to speculation intentionally by Oda and my argument is merely my best guess based on the information at hand.
I am sure it is CoC. I am also sure that Kaido was shocked seeing Asura.
We saw how Kaido reacted to Luffy CoC, he didnt bother that much, yet for Zoro he reacted in a completely different way.
We shall see, what Oda will go with Zoro and his CoC. For now I cant exclude that Asura is some variation of CoC and not the classic CoC.
We saw how Kaido reacted to Luffy CoC, he didnt bother that much, yet for Zoro he reacted in a completely different way.
We shall see, what Oda will go with Zoro and his CoC. For now I cant exclude that Asura is some variation of CoC and not the classic CoC.
The reason is because of what Zoro himself states, and that is the fact that he put "everything he had" into that last attack. Haki blooms under extreme circumstances, and Zoro was near death, and his Captain was about to be killed. So it stands to reason that in that do or die moment, Zoro unlocked and applied Conqueror's Haki to Asura.
Zoro should in no way shape or form not have some kind of understanding of Asura when he has already utilized the attack not once, but twice preskip, and then trained with Mihawk for two years. What he did against Kaido surprised even him, and Asura should be no surprise to him, especially since he even names his attacks "9 Sword Style", so it's not like it can even be argued that he was not consciously aware of it when he used it against Kaku and the Pacifista.
Another thing, is Zoro is all about getting stronger. When he unlocked Breath of All Things during Alabasta, we specifically got a scene at the end of the arc of him acknowledging it, and proclaiming that he needs to be able to unlock that power at will in order to become stronger. So for Zoro to experience something like Asura twice, but yet do absolutely nothing to try and tap into that power and use it at will to become stronger is extremely out of character for him, especially considering that he spent two years training with the World's Strongest Swordsman. If there is anyone who could help him get a better understanding of what Asura was, it would be that guy, so we could rest assure that he would have brought it up. It's just way to far fetched to believe that that Asura is AdCoC that Zoro had no clue even existed.
Zoro should in no way shape or form not have some kind of understanding of Asura when he has already utilized the attack not once, but twice preskip, and then trained with Mihawk for two years. What he did against Kaido surprised even him, and Asura should be no surprise to him, especially since he even names his attacks "9 Sword Style", so it's not like it can even be argued that he was not consciously aware of it when he used it against Kaku and the Pacifista.
Another thing, is Zoro is all about getting stronger. When he unlocked Breath of All Things during Alabasta, we specifically got a scene at the end of the arc of him acknowledging it, and proclaiming that he needs to be able to unlock that power at will in order to become stronger. So for Zoro to experience something like Asura twice, but yet do absolutely nothing to try and tap into that power and use it at will to become stronger is extremely out of character for him, especially considering that he spent two years training with the World's Strongest Swordsman. If there is anyone who could help him get a better understanding of what Asura was, it would be that guy, so we could rest assure that he would have brought it up. It's just way to far fetched to believe that that Asura is AdCoC that Zoro had no clue even existed.