Future Events Baited by Spoilers: Karyuudon vs ZKK

Which of the following do you believe are true?

  • Zoro will kill Kaido

  • Zoro is out of all remaining arc fights for good

  • Zoro has samurai heritage

  • Zoro does not have samurai heritage, but will be appointed as an honorary samurai

  • Zoro is a descendant of Ryuma

  • Zoro is a descendant of Ushimaru

  • King will stay standing for another chapter

  • Kaido was right, the samurai are hopeless


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#41
Tora Gari would make sense as well due to the Tiger vs Dragon theme. The X shaped blood spatter coming off King also points to Tougen Totsuka and that makes sense too, given that Karyuudon appears to be made in Kaido’s image.

Another thing to point out - Zoro decapitated the dragon in Punk Hazard with a one sword technique - Death Lion Song. Ryuma decapitated his dragon with one sword, and Zoro uses one sword for Hiryu Kaen. So logically, the dragon slaying technique should be a one sword technique with sword being Enma.
Do u know Oda's order of Zoro's techniques ? it's known to any Zoro fan .

Onigiri - Tora gari - Sanzen sekai ( vs Mihawk )

Post ts :
FMI : Onigiri against Hyozou
next arc : tora gari against Dragon
Dressrosa : Sanzen sekai

against King :
Onigiri
Tora gari


now after CoC :
Onigiri
an attack similar to tora gari

do the math here
 
#42
The absolute cope from Zolo boys is hilarious :milaugh:

THAT was your ZKK moment a magma dragon :kobeha:


Would be cringe for Oda to try force Zoro do the exact same post, attack and damage Ryuma did when Zolo clearly did that this chapter.

This chapter:

Zoro used a variant of the same move Ryuma did Ryuma was a 1 sword specialist and Zoro is a 3 sword specialist meaning that was 3 sword style to that 1 style move which is Zoro's strongest version.

Zoro did the exact same post as Ryuma angle and everything.

Chopped a dragons head.

Oda isn't going to rehash the exact same scene.

ZKK cults on suicide watch after this chapter

:crazwhat:
:arnoling:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#44
Wow ZKK is so cool, zoro kills kaido who was already defeated by Luffy? The same Kaido who is able to get killed by the scabbards. This should be as hyped as fodder killing roger.

Kaidos not able to get killed by the scabbards. He literally said they aren't strong enough to do so.
Luffys koing kaido whose ran a 15 man straight gauntlet nothing to be proud of there anyway.
 
#46
So 1035 is out and once again, people jumped the gun on the spoilers, believing the provider that said Zoro's finisher looked almost exactly like Ryuma's in Monster. Well, no. That was bait. I'm here to examine some of the dragonslaying material we've received, both in and out of canon and it will become painfully obvious that Zoro vs Karyuudon is not the legend we were promised.

First, let's look at the comparison between Zoro, Ryuuma and Karyuudon.


Zoro and Ryuma very clearly decapitated the dragon, with the emphasis on the head flying away from the body, accompanied by a spray of blood effect.

This is clearly not a decapitation. It's a bisection. Zoro obviously cut the dragon lengthwise.

The spoiler provider also baited the community by stating that Zoro's finisher was a three sword version of Hiryuu Kaen, the attack that Kaido dodged earlier. That... is a massive reach. We don't actually know what Hiryuu Kaen looks like post timeskip, and Hiryuu Kaen is specifically a one-sword technique so a three-sword version of it would be... something else entirely. Not the same technique at all.

Members @Cinera and @KiriNigiri have done a better job of explaining this, so I'll only touch on this matter briefly, but dragons are seen as a symbol of established authority, a la the Celestial Dragons. Zoro is represented by a Tiger, symbolising a young upstart trying to take the throne from the old guard and rebuild the world anew. This idea was rehashed in the chapter here:



We were promised a new dragonslaying legend, with much emphasis placed on replicating Ryuuma's dragonslaying legend from long ago:
One Piece Magazine specifically depicts the decapitation from Punk Hazard. Which makes sense, seeing as that scene was the first homage to Ryuuma. I've already shown how Zoro cutting Karyuudon was not a decapitation, so where is the second Ryuuma homage, in which Zoro beheads an Eastern dragon instead?

For those of you who do not know, or simply enjoy lumping all Zoro fans together as a hive mind, I have been historically conservative with predicting ZKK. In Cinera's thread, I gave it a 60% chance, and I still stand by my rating. I have doubts about Oda having Zoro kill a person on-panel in such a gruesome way, but it's also very hard to refute the mountain of evidence that points to Kaido's death. I don't assign ZKK the highest probability of happening, but I think 1035 is far too premature to dismiss the theory either, particularly since we still have this massive plot point left unresolved:

We need Kaido to acknowledge that there still exists a monster samurai on par with Oden. This is a massive, massive plot point and the culmination of the samurai faction's arc, for Kaido to admit that despite his best efforts to stifle and disarm them, that great samurai will continue to rise. Kaido did not witness Zoro's fight with King and pretty much underestimated him all the way until he unleashed Ashura for the first time. Yet Kaido once again turned his attention away from Zoro, and did not see a link between Zoro and the way of the samurai he claims to love. With the Shimotsuki plotline still hanging, there is still time for Zoro to discover that he is, indeed a samurai by blood and re-challenge Kaido to prove him wrong. If Zoro does not prove him wrong, then Kaido, the villain, would be right in his assessment of the samurai. And we can't have that.

I will leave you with the last panel, where Zoro's finisher is called Jingoku, a word that evokes the samurai. Knowing Oda, this is almost certainly pointing towards Zoro formally acknowledging himself as one of them. Now where to from here? To which character would it be most relevant that Zoro considers himself a samurai? That's for you to decide.


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it wasnt over the flower capital and no one but zoro and king saw it happen, so it cant be the ryuma parallel.
 
#47
Zolo may kill Kaido but I don't think your reasoning is very strong

Zolo proving to Kaido there's still samurais on Oden lvl is not a major plot point nor is Zolo part of Wano for that point to be proven through Zolo, Zolo is not part of the samurai

also killing Kaido still just give him what he wants

there will be a plot twist regarding Kaido character imo for some reason he will decide he want live, only then him getting killed will make sense

Zolo may do it but for that to happen he will have to be way above Oden, or use an attack way above Oden AP and that can't happen in this raid
 
#48
Kaidos not able to get killed by the scabbards. He literally said they aren't strong enough to do so.
Luffys koing kaido whose ran a 15 man straight gauntlet nothing to be proud of there anyway.
The scabbards are capable of killing kaido, if he lets them. Basically the same as zoro killing an weakened, defeated Kaido. There is literally nothing special about ZKK. let it happen.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#49
The scabbards are capable of killing kaido, if he lets them. Basically the same as zoro killing an weakened, defeated Kaido. There is literally nothing special about ZKK. let it happen.
No they aren't. He literally said I could have let you kill me but you aren't STRONG enough. Nothing special about knocking down kaido for 5 mins after he ran a 15 man gauntlet either
 
#50
No they aren't. He literally said I could have let you kill me but you aren't STRONG enough. Nothing special about knocking down kaido for 5 mins after he ran a 15 man gauntlet either
" I could have let you kill me." This is exactly what I meant.

Nothing special about knocking down kaido for 5 mins after he ran a 15 man gauntlet either
Let's see.
-Scabbards only land 2 hits that actually damaged, kaido then he proceeded to tell them it's too shallow.
-Takes a rest break before rooftop
-Has extra yonko to help the 2v5, All of their attacks didn't really do damage to him until CoC came to play.

The 15 man gauntlet looks good without context.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#51
" I could have let you kill me." This is exactly what I meant.


Let's see.
-Scabbards only land 2 hits that actually damaged, kaido then he proceeded to tell them it's too shallow.
-Takes a rest break before rooftop
-Has extra yonko to help the 2v5, All of their attacks didn't really do damage to him until CoC came to play.

The 15 man gauntlet looks good without context.
Finish what he said.
But you aren't strong enough you couldn't even open an old scar

Yamato outright said he's weakened he can't even fully control his flame clouds right now
 
#53
It's 2022 and people still belive Zoro will kill Luffy's opponent who has been hyped to fight him for the past decade after Zoro just beat a commander in the Arc, the delusion is sure strong, thank god the coming chapters should put some perspective into some people here.
 
#54
@Den_Den_Mushi
The sunacchi stuff is also so interesting, why did Zoro confirm to Momo in his flashback that he never used sunacchi when the samurai use that to gain strength and courage. Why is that Oda decided to use Zoro to introduce Sunachi when there are plenty characters in Wano with this trait.



Why did Oda decide to draw this epic panel with the nine scabban and sunacchi against Kaido ? That was the first time Kaido started to think about Oden.



I am not sure why did Oda build up all this for Zoro, his backflash has sunacchi, he is the first to introduce this concept in Wano (O-kiku told momo to not use it when raiding to the undon prison), but Zoro didnt use it during the Onigashima raid?

That aspect is boiling, why didnt Oda use King for Zoro to use sunacchi,in fact he was losing the fight (enma conflict) Why didnt Oda use Sunacchi in this fight especially after chapter 1033?

Oda is holding back something intersting for Zoro.
 
#55
@Den_Den_Mushi
The sunacchi stuff is also so interesting, why did Zoro confirm to Momo in his flashback that he never used sunacchi when the samurai use that to gain strength and courage. Why is that Oda decided to use Zoro to introduce Sunachi when there are plenty characters in Wano with this trait.



Why did Oda decide to draw this epic panel with the nine scabban and sunacchi against Kaido ? That was the first time Kaido started to think about Oden.



I am not sure why did Oda build up all this for Zoro, his backflash has sunacchi, he is the first to introduce this concept in Wano (O-kiku told momo to not use it when raiding to the undon prison), but Zoro didnt use it during the Onigashima raid?

That aspect is boiling, why didnt Oda use King for Zoro to use sunacchi,in fact he was losing the fight (enma conflict) Why didnt Oda use Sunacchi in this fight especially after chapter 1033?

Oda is holding back something intersting for Zoro.
This.

Also, Zoro admitted in 1035 that Enma was overtaxing his haki usage, so whether or not the drug wears off, he has to chill out for the time being to wait for his haki to be restored during Momoron's hour of legend anyway (similar to Luffy waiting for his haki to be restored after using Boundman against Kata).

I think he will go to where Hiyori is next, anyway, to finish out their plotline and kill Orochi as Luffy vs Kaido takes place before ZKK eventually happening above the capital.
 
#60
achieving the blacken blade trait isnt just a matter of hacky, strength or experience (Oden,Shanks coudnt) but is relate to something much more spiritual.

1033 said that each blade have basically a personality a will, each blade choose the owner.

Why shanks and co didnt get a blacken blade? Well because they didnt explore completely the will of the blade,

Oda decided that Enma his the main blade in Wano, he is dedicating a lot chapters for this sword which is weird because Oden used 2 blades. Oda also decided that the blacken blade narrative was introduced when Zoro was fighting the fox(monk) during the battle of the bridge. After that Oda also decided to even reinforce the concept of the blacken blade .
Hitetsu was certain that Zoro could make Enma black. So how can Zoro achieve that? Well 1033 was a big step, to get a blacken blade you have to understand what Enma will is and what the blade wants. Zoro has reach the first step which is to give what the blade wants now he need to understand what the blade will is. Kozarubo said that blade are for killing and Enma was the best blade he ever crafted.
For Enma call the king of the underworld what is the will behind this blade? Well if blade are up for killing, probably Enma want to get the biggest price that there is. And what do we get in Wano? Well the so call strongest creature alive in One Piece.
The previous owner failed in taking kaido head that why he couldn't get Enma black but the new one is up for the task.
If Zoro cant achieve this trait in Wano, then Hitetsu moment was useless because Oda already mention this aspect during the fight of the bridge. So there has to be a pay off in Wano.


@The White Crane @Den_Den_Mushi what do you think about this theory?
 
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