Capitalism vs Communism
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It has been tried quite a few times and every time it failed in an epic way.
Ask anyone who lived in Eastern Germany (DDR) how they think about it.
It was tried to establish that "ideal state" there and it turned into a shitshow really, really quick.
Despite all the idealism some dreamers have, it's not compatible with practice/the human nature.
Ask anyone who lived in Eastern Germany (DDR) how they think about it.
It was tried to establish that "ideal state" there and it turned into a shitshow really, really quick.
Despite all the idealism some dreamers have, it's not compatible with practice/the human nature.
When has a stateless classless moneyless society been attempted? The answer is never lol. Totalitarian regimes have used the idea of communism to establish dictatorships but the system itself has never been attempted.
There is no “ideal communist state” because communism is the nonexistence of a state in the first place.
You sound like a typical capitalist who doesn’t understand what communism actually is bro. I encourage you to research what communism is instead of being a capitalist mouthpiece.
There is no “ideal communist state” because communism is the nonexistence of a state in the first place.
You sound like a typical capitalist who doesn’t understand what communism actually is bro. I encourage you to research what communism is instead of being a capitalist mouthpiece.
Really?
Of all the things you could say THAT is your comeback?
I expected better from you, but you seem to have lost your touch a bit, old friend.
Of all the things you could say THAT is your comeback?
I expected better from you, but you seem to have lost your touch a bit, old friend.
And come on, that was too good to pass up lol. Calling me a deluded fool who believes in fairy tales while wearing an avatar that is the embodiment of that statement lol.
And I was not seriously insulting you back lol. I saw an opportunity for a great joke and I seized it lol. No regrets.
Any type of society that humans want to work, will work. Any type of economy that humans want to work, will work. A shit system like capitalism existing for hundreds of years is proof of that. Our human economy is whatever we want it to be. If humans want there to be a stateless, classless, moneyless society, then humans will adapt their lives to make this ideal future a reality.
It starts with acknowledging that all of our modern day problems are caused by state, class, and money. Once you accept that undeniable fact, you will realize the importance of striving for a world where these things no longer exist.
Assuming capitalist-created climate change doesn’t obliterate humanity beforehand anyway.
Any type of society that humans want to work, will work. Any type of economy that humans want to work, will work. A shit system like capitalism existing for hundreds of years is proof of that. Our human economy is whatever we want it to be. If humans want there to be a stateless, classless, moneyless society, then humans will adapt their lives to make this ideal future a reality.
It starts with acknowledging that all of our modern day problems are caused by state, class, and money. Once you accept that undeniable fact, you will realize the importance of striving for a world where these things no longer exist.
Assuming capitalist-created climate change doesn’t obliterate humanity beforehand anyway.
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That's a too short sighted statement. First of all, what is human nature in this context? Human nature is not Independent of the system it is currently in. Greed and lust for power, just as consumerism in general lies within the human's nature within a capitalist society that values those things. A lot, if not most people value non-profit activities, helping others out and self-improve. There is already a vast majority of people doing exactly that despite of the capitalist system working against them. And if you look at past and present socialist societies, they did and do benefit their people in many ways, more so than capitalist societies do, and that is despite being globally set against world leading capitalist countries like the USA, which tried to and did fight them politically, economically and even military, trying to destabilize them.
Meanwhile, how do we even measure whether a system works or not? Let's take the US as a prime example. High level of poverty, corruption, exploitation of people and natural resources, environmental destruction, high rates of depression and sickness, in a society driven by profit. Many experts within and outside the US even label it as a failed democracy in many aspects.
Meanwhile, how do we even measure whether a system works or not? Let's take the US as a prime example. High level of poverty, corruption, exploitation of people and natural resources, environmental destruction, high rates of depression and sickness, in a society driven by profit. Many experts within and outside the US even label it as a failed democracy in many aspects.
All good, never took it as an insult ;-)
We just won't agree on that matter though.
Pure capitalism isn't great either, this much is 100% clear.
But the same way pure capitalism sucks, pure communism just sucks as much.
The best way has always been a mixture of both systems, like we have in many western countries atm. Germany and Austria are prime examples of a good mix and even those countries aren't perfect.
We just won't agree on that matter though.
Pure capitalism isn't great either, this much is 100% clear.
But the same way pure capitalism sucks, pure communism just sucks as much.
The best way has always been a mixture of both systems, like we have in many western countries atm. Germany and Austria are prime examples of a good mix and even those countries aren't perfect.
I would like to know why you think pure capitalism would suck as much as pure communism?
The only example of a “pure capitalist” that I know is Ayn Rand, and if you listen to her speak, she says that she believes the ideal society is one where people are dying on the streets due to their inability to properly interpret the arbitrary whims of the marketplace. And this is a good thing to Rand because she believes in a meritocracy where only the strong deserve to live and the weak die on the streets and this is fine.
A purely communist society is one where the dignity of human life is valued regardless of what perceived benefit they will have on society is.
In a purely capitalist society, daddy Bezos decides he’s going to let 10,000 people die on the streets because $200 billion worth of hoarded wealth isn’t enough for him, and there are 0 repercussions for him doing so.
I fail to see how the two conceptually are just as bad, capitalism seems orders of magnitude more monstrous to me.
The only example of a “pure capitalist” that I know is Ayn Rand, and if you listen to her speak, she says that she believes the ideal society is one where people are dying on the streets due to their inability to properly interpret the arbitrary whims of the marketplace. And this is a good thing to Rand because she believes in a meritocracy where only the strong deserve to live and the weak die on the streets and this is fine.
A purely communist society is one where the dignity of human life is valued regardless of what perceived benefit they will have on society is.
In a purely capitalist society, daddy Bezos decides he’s going to let 10,000 people die on the streets because $200 billion worth of hoarded wealth isn’t enough for him, and there are 0 repercussions for him doing so.
I fail to see how the two conceptually are just as bad, capitalism seems orders of magnitude more monstrous to me.
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