Netero did not take center stage, apart from his fight against Meruem we almost never see him. When Yuji is not at the center of the scene other people take over (Gojo, Yuta, Hakari, Megumi) it's the same pattern as with Hunter x Hunter
For Fullmetal it's the same thing, even during the final fight we see him very rarely. Hohenheim is a very discreet character throughout the story
Who fought Meruem? Netero
Who has been planning to take down Dwarf in the Flask? Hohenheim
Who took down main body of All for One? All Might and Endeavour + others
But in case of Sukuna after Gojo fight:
- He was back to full HP after Heian era transformation.
- Had world cutting slash
- Got his cursed tool back + 1 is still missing
- Still standing strong
- Certainly will take down GoYu again
But what about the efforts of the MC, Yuji?
Did he get any significant pay off? No
He was ignored like a kid.
Similarly, it has been recurring theme throughout the series.
Edward Elric never once felt like an afterthought. He was established as a prodigy because his skill level within the alchemy system was on par with state alchemist at the ripe age of 12? His growth was more as a character with a story most consider to be an example of peak Manga.
The relationships with the characters and the moral choices he’s making throughout, its story driven. Yuji doesn’t have that same vibe and JJK isn’t that type of story. He went from physically strong with powerful punches and the occasional black flashes for 98% of the series to getting RCT, simple domain, and blood manipulation off screen and then awakening his own variant of shrine. He’s also the byproduct of Sukunas reincarnated twin kenjacku love child so he has that shonen powerful lineage thing going on. It doesn’t matter if it’s a team effort to take down the king of curses, I would’ve just liked more Yuji growth in both narrative and skill as a sorcerer instead of cramming it in at end.
edward elric is peak MC for sure, as FMA itself is peak manga, for me at least. and i'm surely don't comparing FMA and JJK, FMA too high for reaching,
i'm just comparing their MC's as the ones who's not be center around all the time and become gods of the verses.
and narratively i'm satisfied with yuji's character.
it's just anytime i'm reading chapter discussion, most of the readers happy when he's beating sukuna and right as he gets beaten himself - they start to complain.
"he's a MC, why he doesn't become the strongest" - is a complain.
and i don't see why he sould be the strongest. just because he's a MC? nah
that's what i'm talking about, MC not necessarily should be present all the time and to have a finger in every pie.
hunter tossed away his MC most of the time and got rid of him on last arc. that was fucking awesome.
bleach was at it's best, when manga not being following ichigo and focused on another characters.
naruto was great preTS, when manga followed different characters and became shitty when it centered on naruto postTS.
one piece was so enjoyable when we had development of all team members and became messed up when centered on luffy and fucking chosen one tropes.
fma already talked about.
when MC is not the center of the universe, it allows to show that the world is living whithout him, it's alive and has so much stories to tell.
MC is need to introduce us to these world.
Who fought Meruem? Netero
Who has been planning to take down Dwarf in the Flask? Hohenheim
Who took down main body of All for One? All Might and Endeavour + others
But in case of Sukuna after Gojo fight:
- He was back to full HP after Heian era transformation.
- Had world cutting slash
- Got his cursed tool back + 1 is still missing
- Still standing strong
- Certainly will take down GoYu again
But what about the efforts of the MC, Yuji?
Did he get any significant pay off? No
He was ignored like a kid.
Similarly, it has been recurring theme throughout the series.
Comparing the usefulness of the MC now makes no sense especially since the fight isn't even over + and tell me about Gon's efforts against Meruem?
You're talking to me about AFO but it's literally the same thing as with Sukuna, Endeavor certainly beat him but he came back being at his prime, it was everyone's effort that allowed them to overcome AFO. We are literally heading towards the same thing with Sukuna where Yuji will be the character who defeats him The Gojo vs Sukuna fight served to nerf Sukuna so that the students had a chance against him like for Hohenheim vs homunculus or All might vs Prime AFO. The only notable difference is that unlike the other villains mentioned above, Sukuna's fight takes longer and when I see AFO's treatment I prefer 100 times a Sukuna who seems invincible than the opposite.
Once again you speak as if the fight was over, Yuji is still there and he will be there until the end, dishonest to say that he contributed nothing to the fight against Sukuna when he is the only character who has been fighting non-stop since Gojo's death while having moments where he shone (In Yuta's domain, after his awakening) and by the way if Megumi was not a coward he would have won the fight thanks to yuji
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1d0skfb
261 does make 236 significantly better, now that we know Gojo was essentially viewed as a tool/weapon/monster his whole life even by people as close to him as Shoko
Before this chapter, it wasn't exactly clear how being the strongest was a burden (we were "told" about how strength = loneliness but not "shown"), but now it's pretty obvious. Just wish we got more interactions like this before 236 and not after.
Losing to someone stronger than him was a relief in the end.
Comparing the usefulness of the MC now makes no sense especially since the fight isn't even over + and tell me about Gon's efforts against Meruem?
You're talking to me about AFO but it's literally the same thing as with Sukuna, Endeavor certainly beat him but he came back being at his prime, it was everyone's effort that allowed them to overcome AFO. We are literally heading towards the same thing with Sukuna where Yuji will be the character who defeats him The Gojo vs Sukuna fight served to nerf Sukuna so that the students had a chance against him like for Hohenheim vs homunculus or All might vs Prime AFO. The only notable difference is that unlike the other villains mentioned above, Sukuna's fight takes longer and when I see AFO's treatment I prefer 100 times a Sukuna who seems invincible than the opposite.
Once again you speak as if the fight was over, Yuji is still there and he will be there until the end, dishonest to say that he contributed nothing to the fight against Sukuna when he is the only character who has been fighting non-stop since Gojo's death while having moments where he shone (In Yuta's domain, after his awakening) and by the way if Megumi was not a coward he would have won the fight thanks to yuji
Agree with all of this, mainly because you didnt get what I was trying to say.
In simple terms, I don't like taking out main cast memebers without any significant pay offs.
- Nobara
- Megumi etc,
Yuji has been fighting and I loved that, at the same time I think he should be doing more. Not just blackflashes.
People said the same thing when Gojo vs Sukuna fight started (that the manga is not over yet).
But I will be the first person here to say that Sukuna won't lose. He will be taken out in a roundabout way.
Maybe because of the merger or he will simply say, "okay, I have had enough fun".
While it can be a good ending and different from other shonens, but the pay offs for good side's sacrifices will be ZERO.
And no, Gojo didnt nerf Sukuna, he just made him transform into heian era form. Rather, Sukuna came out stronger from that fight with World Cutting Slash.
Where is the balance in pay offs?
It will be proven again when Sukuna defeats GoYuta.
That's why I said Sukuna can be as strong as he is, but just an addition of minions/secondary villains in final arc would have made the reading a more fun experience instead of just one-sided wins for Sukuna.
My purpose is not to hate on Sukuna or Yuji. I was just talking about why some readers feel burned out or criticize JJK i.e., lack of pay offs.
Just a Google snippet about story pay offs to make my point clear:
"The story “pays off” its promise. It also plays the other way. If you make the wrong promise, your audience won't leave satisfied no matter how well you tell the rest of the story. So, if your story's falling flat, examine your Promises."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1d0skfb
261 does make 236 significantly better, now that we know Gojo was essentially viewed as a tool/weapon/monster his whole life even by people as close to him as Shoko
Before this chapter, it wasn't exactly clear how being the strongest was a burden (we were "told" about how strength = loneliness but not "shown"), but now it's pretty obvious. Just wish we got more interactions like this before 236 and not after.
Losing to someone stronger than him was a relief in the end.
If this yujo fusion accomplish nothing in 5 mins and gege just brings them back to kill them off again….. gege being a shock factor writer first might be true, we shall see what happens
I dont know man. You are ignoring a lot of stuff.
I rewatched FMA B recently. Edward didnt solo the villain.
But Selim or other villains also didnt kill his brother, Winry, Roy Mustang, or any other important secondary characters.
At the end, Ed also saved his brother by sacrificing his door.
There were satisfactory pay offs in every arc. Like killing envy, lust, sloth, etc.
There was only one death of Hughes which was used as tragedy for the main cast. What else? Nothing.
In case of HxH, the power up of Gon also made sense and was satisfying to watch.
But as a reader, I dont see anything going on for Yuji as of now.
Here is a list of characters who specifically helped Yuji and asked him to carry on:
Nanami
Nobara
Higuruma
Choso
More or less, I will include Junpei here too.
Now compare death of Hughes (secondary character) from FMA to deaths of above listed characters in JJK.
The death of Envy and Sloth was satisfying to watch, but what about the pay offs in JJK?
I am not even hating villains in JJK.
You need to acknowledge that, either:
1) There are no satisfactory pay offs for the deaths of characters in JJK, or
2) Gege didnt create enough secondary villains/minions so that good guys could fight against them and show their skills or gradually level up to face Sukuna in final arc.
The gauntlet is impressive, but at this point Sukuna (an olympic gold medal winner) is flexing against elementary kids.
Gojo - Only one who could give tough time to Sukuna
Kashimo - One trick pony (Sukuna hates such sorcerers as he said the same to Yorozu)
Higuruma - Talented, but still a newbie, few days/weeks?
Yuji - A newbie who just learned basic CE control from Gojo's training, he is special but still the point is he dont know how to utilize his abilities
Yuta - Second strongest after Gojo, you could see him sweating during Gojo vs Sukuna fight
Maki - May have died in DE, but saved by Todo
Kusakabe - No CT, just a simple domain
Todo - A support
Miguel - Black rope merchant.
Larue - Tertiary support character
It is not Sukuna's fault that these sorcerers are weak. He killed Ryu who gave hard time to Yuta.
He also killed Jogo. Sukuna has proved himself as strongest severals time now.
Possible solution would have been:
Kenjaku should have created more curses or had more in store similar to Jogo/Hanami/Mahito. So that they could fight against main cast in culling games.
The heian era sorcerers that Yuji faced (Higuruma) didnt push Yuji to power up or improve his fighting skills.
If Higuruma was to be a friend, he may have fought against Kenjaku/Sukuna's minions, someone like Uraume.
This is it. It would have solved most of the problems.
But you dont even acknowledge these problems, so even if I write another essay you will be back to "oh you hate JJK because Sukuna is winning", lol, NO!
Bro the lack of Heian era shit and the wet tissue use of the anicent era sorcerers gotta be the most disappointing shit of all time. As a big fan of Yokai themed manga/anime this was the bigger L for JJK for me. When season 1 finished and I started actually reading through it I realized its just a battle manga. Which is not bad, but all the Cursed Object sorcerers are dead and I wish we got to see more Japanese folklore like Natsume Yuujincho or more clan shit like Nuramago.
I liked Geto's character and abilities purely for that. Too bad Kenjaku is #1 Fraud.
Bro the lack of Heian era shit and the wet tissue use of the anicent era sorcerers gotta be the most disappointing shit of all time. As a big fan of Yokai themed manga/anime this was the bigger L for JJK for me. When season 1 finished and I started actually reading through it I realized its just a battle manga. Which is not bad, but all the Cursed Object sorcerers are dead and I wish we got to see more Japanese folklore like Natsume Yuujincho or more clan shit like Nuramago.
I liked Geto's character and abilities purely for that. Too bad Kenjaku is #1 Fraud.
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