General & Others Chapter 890 is the most embarrassing moment for a Top Tier in the ENTIRE series.

[Elder Lee Hung]

I didn't dodge the question. Reread what I asked. It's a question that inquires more information on the question you asked before answering it.

If you answer whether WB viewed Buggy as a threat he needed to eliminate, as Sakazuki viewed Luffy.. I would have the proper context to answer your question.

You don’t need to complicate things this much.

Neither Whitebeard or Akainu even attempted to kill Buggy or Luffy in the moments we are discussing. Therefore, neither could have possibly failed, as failure requires one to actually attempt to accomplish a goal.

You’re trying to over complicate things to up play trash mom. Lol

 

[Xione]

You don’t need to complicate things this much.

Neither Whitebeard or Akainu even attempted to kill Buggy or Luffy in the moments we are discussing. Therefore, neither could have possibly failed, as failure requires one to actually attempt to accomplish a goal.

You’re trying to over complicate things to up play trash mom. Lol

Akainus job was to eliminate luffy -> Luffy came in front of him -> he doesnt do jackshit, but stands there like an idiot.
Kizaru's job was to eliminate Luffy -> Luffy came in front of him -> kicks him away rather than shooting him through the head
Kuzan's job was to eliminate Luffy -> Luffy came in front of him -> didnt do shit to Luffy

Whitebeard didnt have the job to eliminate Buggy.. hence it's not a failure. The admirals had the job and duty to eliminate Luffy, hence it's a failure.

I would understand if you said that the scene is bad, and just plot filled. But you're trying to justify why the 3 leaders of the marines acted like complete dumbfucks lol. For me that scene is an insult to the 3 admirals, that's why I said Oda shouldn't have made that scene.

-havent mentioned nothing about BM, but comment on what I found to be the most embarrassing moments for top tiers.
-mentions me up playing BM

... that paranoia hardcore I see. Time to take a break from the forums dude. Just cause somebody is pointing out something negative about a scene with the admirals, doesn't mean they're up playing the Yonko.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I would understand if you said that the scene is bad, and just plot filled. But you're trying to justify why the 3 leaders of the marines acted like complete dumbfucks lol.

I’m not trying to justify anything lmfao, and I don’t know how you read that from my posts.

I’ve already said, if you want to argue that the Admirals are retarded, that’s a different argument.

My point from the start is that you can’t fail to do something that you didn’t even try to do lol.

How on earth you got from that, to me trying to justify a lack of action..how I understand why you are a Yonko fan
:smithnie:

 

[L o g i a]

Maybe this is something that I should have noticed much earlier, but considering the Bombshells that were dropped on us since 900 i didn't really re-read any past chapters, until now.

What in the actual fuck happened during Chapter 890??
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People are making fun off:
- Mihawk, for his performance against Vista, asking for postponement.
- Shanks, for the fact that his arm was bitten off by a sea king.
- Fujitora, for getting bruised by Gear 3 luffy and being damaged by the Revolutionary's.

but what happened to Big mom in that chapter is the worst showing any Top tier in the series had to go through, and honestly speaking, it shouldn't even exist.

Big mom was weakened. We all know that. Let's say Big mom could only manage to dish out 50% of her usual physical force, that still doesn't make up for the things the crew actually pulled on her:

• Jinbe blocked the impact of a named attack from Big mom, which incorporated two of her strongest homies Napoleon and Prometheus. Even after getting overpowered he didn't have lasting damage, no cut, no bruise, no blood, nothing!
• This one is insane. Brook, legit, speed blitzed Big mom and cut through one of her strongest homies as if it was fodder material. Brooks's swordsmanship totally was enough to cut through Zeus.

I can look past the Jinbe stuff any day, because he was a Shichibukai and already blocked Top tier before. Simply speaking, he's a beast!

But that Brook stuff was absolutely unforgivable.

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Nope. Still not as pathetic as Shanks losing his arm. The Lord of the Coast ISN'T EVEN a Sea King iirc.

 

[Xione]

I’m not trying to justify anything lmfao, and I don’t know how you read that from my posts.

I’ve already said, if you want to argue that the Admirals are retarded, that’s a different argument.

My point from the start is that you can’t fail to do something that you didn’t even try to do lol.

How on earth you got from that, to me trying to justify a lack of action..how I understand why you are a Yonko fan
:smithnie:

Sigh..

My 1st post in the thread: incompetence of the 3 admirals in failing to kill Luffy was the most embarrassing scene for top tiers.

Your reply: They didnt try to kill Luffy so its not failure.

My reply: It is failure because it was their job to kill Luffy and they failed to do it, despite 2 of them taking action against him. Inaction that results in not achieving the objective is also failure.

Your first post was literally trying to tell me what is deemed as failure and what isn't. And I explained to you why I deemed it as failure to kill Luffy including Sakazuki's inaction, thus showing his incompetence in that scene.

The argument was simply about what was deemed failure and what isnt, in relation to what I posted originally.


Oh I'm a Yonko fan now? Lmao okk, well good to know.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Maybe this is something that I should have noticed much earlier, but considering the Bombshells that were dropped on us since 900 i didn't really re-read any past chapters, until now.

What in the actual fuck happened during Chapter 890??
​

People are making fun off:
- Mihawk, for his performance against Vista, asking for postponement.
- Shanks, for the fact that his arm was bitten off by a sea king.
- Fujitora, for getting bruised by Gear 3 luffy and being damaged by the Revolutionary's.

but what happened to Big mom in that chapter is the worst showing any Top tier in the series had to go through, and honestly speaking, it shouldn't even exist.

Big mom was weakened. We all know that. Let's say Big mom could only manage to dish out 50% of her usual physical force, that still doesn't make up for the things the crew actually pulled on her:

• Jinbe blocked the impact of a named attack from Big mom, which incorporated two of her strongest homies Napoleon and Prometheus. Even after getting overpowered he didn't have lasting damage, no cut, no bruise, no blood, nothing!
• This one is insane. Brook, legit, speed blitzed Big mom and cut through one of her strongest homies as if it was fodder material. Brooks's swordsmanship totally was enough to cut through Zeus.

I can look past the Jinbe stuff any day, because he was a Shichibukai and already blocked Top tier before. Simply speaking, he's a beast!

But that Brook stuff was absolutely unforgivable.

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Jinbei got cut and there was blood
He dodnt block...he got overpowered by a hakiless skinny BM strike

Lol first of all learn to read the manga properly please
It is explained why brook can cut or hurt homies.

You made two errors

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If you can correct your arguments about jjnbei not being cut nor bled
And brook soul powers playing a huge role

Also Jinbei used CoA defense and got blown (and cut) a 50% hakiless BM .

Apart from that, her weakned state was embarrassed with Oda giving explanations to why.

Now tell me was Mihawk nerfed? Weakened? Nope
That's why his feat is the most embarrassing coz he was healthy and used his Yoru and asked Vista postponement

 

[Shura]

embarrassment is that you request postponement from the person who is "far weaker" than you....

you can take L's and still be a badass like Shanks against sea monster, WB against the whole marines, Akainu against WB, Kaido with his 7 L's

Bigmom got embarrassed but still she could fight Kaido "the WSC" for 2-3 days without "postponing" duels....and yeah I forgot this...

this is what Akainu said when Luffy jumped from the sky....

So I don't think Akainu shows mercy to pirates

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Nothing will ever top Mihawk asking a Yc postponement when Mihawk isnt nerfed nor weakened mode.

Every top tier has his embarrassments or LS yet they never demanded postponement when healthy, even when they are losing
WB Akainu never asked postponement

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

I’d say the incident with King might be worse since not only did she have a team of her best fighters with her, King all on his lonesome was still able to humiliate them and go on his merry way, and it resulted in Meme becoming Chopper’s Yonko level pet and the later scene with Queen. But I agree, 890 was a huge blow to Big Meme and her status as a Yonko (don’t forget how Nami stole Zeus). And as for the excuse “b-but Big Meme was weakened” remember how Whitebeard mowed down Blackbeard even when he was on his deathbed? Yeah...

 

[Topi Jerami]

1 other thing that's been overlooked about Big Mom clowning by Oda, is the direct comparison of portrayal between 2 Yonkos, sleeping Whitebeard and sleeping Big Mom.

Whitebeard, in his sleep, repeatedly failing Ace's murder attempt and counterattacked by sending Ace flying, all was done in his sleep.

Yet Big Meme, in her sleep? She not only didn't aware of not one, not two, not three, not four, but five!! (Jinbe, Pedro, Nami, Chopper, Carrot) people sneaking to her room. And she also didn't aware that those people changed the real Brook she was sleeping with, with a random skeleton toy.
She was said to like Brook so much, but apparently her brain level isn't enough to tell the differences between real Brook and toy Brook, even when she was already fully awake later?

 

[Blackbeard]

I hope y'all could get your shit together, no reason to go on with that inconsistency from the author. he restricted both BM and Mihawk from stomping the Strawhats and Vista for the sake of the context. don't be impatience, just wait to see how powerful they would turn out to be when they are allowed to go all out. we saw how BM was redeemed when she fought on par with Kaido because there wasn't anything stopping her from going ham there. same goes for Mihawk and the Admirals.

i take these squabbles for trolling fandoms on the normal day routine since vs debates are too boring.

 

[silverfire]

Jinbei got cut and there was blood
He dodnt block...he got overpowered by a hakiless skinny BM strike

Lol first of all learn to read the manga properly please
It is explained why brook can cut or hurt homies.

You made two errors

Post automatically merged: Oct 9, 2019

If you can correct your arguments about jjnbei not being cut nor bled
And brook soul powers playing a huge role

Also Jinbei used CoA defense and got blown (and cut) a 50% hakiless BM .

Apart from that, her weakned state was embarrassed with Oda giving explanations to why.

Now tell me was Mihawk nerfed? Weakened? Nope
That's why his feat is the most embarrassing coz he was healthy and used his Yoru and asked Vista postponement

Cmon anti-wank senpai, do some anti-wanking. There’s no excusing Big Mom’s mishaps, her feats are the worst of any top tier other than arguably Shanks at the beginning of the series.

IMHO Oda did this to bring the yonko back down to earth, and show that they’re beatable. They were hyped up big time before the timeskip, but they are going down this saga. WCI was there to show us that they’re within the reach of this generation of pirates, esp Luffy.

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1 other thing that's been overlooked about Big Mom clowning by Oda, is the direct comparison of portrayal between 2 Yonkos, sleeping Whitebeard and sleeping Big Mom.

Whitebeard, in his sleep, repeatedly failing Ace's murder attempt and counterattacked by sending Ace flying, all was done in his sleep.

Yet Big Meme, in her sleep? She not only didn't aware of not one, not two, not three, not four, but five!! (Jinbe, Pedro, Nami, Chopper, Carrot) people sneaking to her room. And she also didn't aware that those people changed the real Brook she was sleeping with, with a random skeleton toy.
She was said to like Brook so much, but apparently her brain level isn't enough to tell the differences between real Brook and toy Brook, even when she was already fully awake later?

Sleepbeard > awake Big Mom

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

1 other thing that's been overlooked about Big Mom clowning by Oda, is the direct comparison of portrayal between 2 Yonkos, sleeping Whitebeard and sleeping Big Mom.

Whitebeard, in his sleep, repeatedly failing Ace's murder attempt and counterattacked by sending Ace flying, all was done in his sleep.

Yet Big Meme, in her sleep? She not only didn't aware of not one, not two, not three, not four, but five!! (Jinbe, Pedro, Nami, Chopper, Carrot) people sneaking to her room. And she also didn't aware that those people changed the real Brook she was sleeping with, with a random skeleton toy.
She was said to like Brook so much, but apparently her brain level isn't enough to tell the differences between real Brook and toy Brook, even when she was already fully awake later?

And it had seaweed instead of hair for an afro.

 

[Shura]

1 other thing that's been overlooked about Big Mom clowning by Oda, is the direct comparison of portrayal between 2 Yonkos, sleeping Whitebeard and sleeping Big Mom.

Whitebeard, in his sleep, repeatedly failing Ace's murder attempt and counterattacked by sending Ace flying, all was done in his sleep.

Yet Big Meme, in her sleep? She not only didn't aware of not one, not two, not three, not four, but five!! (Jinbe, Pedro, Nami, Chopper, Carrot) people sneaking to her room. And she also didn't aware that those people changed the real Brook she was sleeping with, with a random skeleton toy.
She was said to like Brook so much, but apparently her brain level isn't enough to tell the differences between real Brook and toy Brook, even when she was already fully awake later?

it's okay WB > Big Meme....even Akainu couldn't do anything when he was fully "awake" and "sneak attacked" by half dead Old beard other than cursing "WB"....

 

[Inspector_Mu]

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But JINBEI didnt bleed...didnt get cut

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

There are many.

1. Postponement.
2. Failing to kill Luffy.
3. Same for Admirals in MF.
4. Needed distraction to finish off YCs.
5. Sent few metres back by a nameless slash.
6. Bruised by G3 attack.
7. 2 Admirals failing to capture Revo YCs in Maryjois itself. And Fuji got injured on top of that.
8.Luffy Baloon blocking Sengoku Budha attack
9. Chopper-BM case is similar to that.
10. Brook blitz past BM and cut one of her homies.
11. BM sent flying by Jinbei.
12. Shanks loosing an arm to Sea beast.
13. Aokiji vs Ace.
14. Kizaru vs Ben Beckman.
15. Croco vs Mihawk.
16. Croco vs Akainu

 

[Zowo]

There are many.

1. Postponement.
2. Failing to kill Luffy.
3. Same for Admirals in MF.
4. Needed distraction to finish off YCs.
5. Sent few metres back by a nameless slash.
6. Bruised by G3 attack.
7. 2 Admirals failing to capture Revo YCs in Maryjois itself. And Fuji got injured on top of that.
8.Luffy Baloon blocking Sengoku Budha attack
9. Chopper-BM case is similar to that.
10. Brook blitz past BM and cut one of her homies.
11. BM sent flying by Jinbei.
12. Shanks loosing an arm to Sea beast.
13. Aokiji vs Ace.
14. Kizaru vs Ben Beckman.
15. Croco vs Mihawk.
16. Croco vs Akainu

big mom got ko by queen

 

[Uncle Van]

Both yonko and admirals have great, good, meh and bad feats. Problem is mainly with the yonko fandom pushing the yonko to be in an entirely different league than the admirals, with admirals fans retaliating with the same logic to catch them in their biased logic.

BM is the perfect example that any top tier could look great or like shit for the plot.

 

[comrade]

Akainus job was to eliminate luffy -> Luffy came in front of him -> he doesnt do jackshit, but stands there like an idiot.
Kizaru's job was to eliminate Luffy -> Luffy came in front of him -> kicks him away rather than shooting him through the head
Kuzan's job was to eliminate Luffy -> Luffy came in front of him -> didnt do shit to Luffy

The admirals didn't kill Luffy due to PIS.

That's why Kizaru merely kicked Luffy away instead of blowing off his head. That's why Kizaru only shot a small laser at Luffy instead of honeycombing him with Yasakani no Magatama. That's why Kizaru pierced the key in Luffy's hand with his laser instead of aiming for his head. That's why Akainu punched Whitebeard's chest instead of aiming for the head.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Maybe this is something that I should have noticed much earlier, but considering the Bombshells that were dropped on us since 900 i didn't really re-read any past chapters, until now.

What in the actual fuck happened during Chapter 890??
​

People are making fun off:
- Mihawk, for his performance against Vista, asking for postponement.
- Shanks, for the fact that his arm was bitten off by a sea king.
- Fujitora, for getting bruised by Gear 3 luffy and being damaged by the Revolutionary's.

but what happened to Big mom in that chapter is the worst showing any Top tier in the series had to go through, and honestly speaking, it shouldn't even exist.

Big mom was weakened. We all know that. Let's say Big mom could only manage to dish out 50% of her usual physical force, that still doesn't make up for the things the crew actually pulled on her:

• Jinbe blocked the impact of a named attack from Big mom, which incorporated two of her strongest homies Napoleon and Prometheus. Even after getting overpowered he didn't have lasting damage, no cut, no bruise, no blood, nothing!
• This one is insane. Brook, legit, speed blitzed Big mom and cut through one of her strongest homies as if it was fodder material. Brooks's swordsmanship totally was enough to cut through Zeus.

I can look past the Jinbe stuff any day, because he was a Shichibukai and already blocked Top tier before. Simply speaking, he's a beast!

But that Brook stuff was absolutely unforgivable.

​

I think Queen one shotting Big Mom (so called "durability freak") was even worse.

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Lets just all collectively agree that Big Meme is the most embarrassing top tier. I mean its pretty obvious, at least Mihawk and Fuji had the excuse of being casual and Shanks has the excuse of loosing his arm to give Luffy a less (It is a stupid ass reason but it is still there).

Big Meme got straight embarrassed by Queen, first Queen tanked her serious blows like they are nothing. Then he one shot her ass.