Current Events Chopper vs Queen!?
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@Cinera When Chopper defeat Queen,he will become the third strongest Straw Hat and will be far superior to Jinbe. You agree?
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Your thread is getting true to life
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/why-chopper-is-better-than-sanji.8313/
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/why-chopper-is-better-than-sanji.8313/
Okay. This is solid.
I understand exactly where your coming from.
I am also putting power scaling to the side.
This on paper makes absolute sense.
However, there is also pre-existing canon material to reject your points as well.
If we consider Choppers role in Punk Hazard, the experimented children were also a mini threat to G5, Caesar, and the Strawhats. Chopper effectively took care of that with his expertise.
Chopper also regarded Caesar as a hateful man who Luffy hates as well. This animosity against Caesar continues even to the future where in Zou Chopper hates Caesar but still requires his help.
My point here is that, Chopper also had clear hatred/reasoning to fight Caesar, yet that didnβt happen, in fact Chopper goes further to beg Caesar to help remove the Zou Gas.
Chopper didnβt fight Caesar. Chopper will not solo fight Queen. Chopper will still, however, hold immense amounts of hatred/disdain for Caesar/Queen. I fully expect Chopper to continue fighting with Marco assisting, as well as X Drake protecting Chopper. However, that may not be enough as with Perospero entering the fray, Marco will have to focus on his own problems.
This is where Sanji enters and does what he does best. He will defeat Perospero, thereβs enough story material and justification for this fight, and then take on Queen when itβs looking terrible for Chopper and X Drake.
But this will happen much later.
I can confidently say Chopper and X Drake will do about 30% damage to Queen before Sanji has to save them. But it wonβt takeaway this massive W from Chopper, he deserved it.
Also to add, Chopper is an innocent soul. He only goes into Monster Point to protect himself and/or against true enemies.
I understand exactly where your coming from.
I am also putting power scaling to the side.
This on paper makes absolute sense.
However, there is also pre-existing canon material to reject your points as well.
If we consider Choppers role in Punk Hazard, the experimented children were also a mini threat to G5, Caesar, and the Strawhats. Chopper effectively took care of that with his expertise.
Chopper also regarded Caesar as a hateful man who Luffy hates as well. This animosity against Caesar continues even to the future where in Zou Chopper hates Caesar but still requires his help.
My point here is that, Chopper also had clear hatred/reasoning to fight Caesar, yet that didnβt happen, in fact Chopper goes further to beg Caesar to help remove the Zou Gas.
Chopper didnβt fight Caesar. Chopper will not solo fight Queen. Chopper will still, however, hold immense amounts of hatred/disdain for Caesar/Queen. I fully expect Chopper to continue fighting with Marco assisting, as well as X Drake protecting Chopper. However, that may not be enough as with Perospero entering the fray, Marco will have to focus on his own problems.
This is where Sanji enters and does what he does best. He will defeat Perospero, thereβs enough story material and justification for this fight, and then take on Queen when itβs looking terrible for Chopper and X Drake.
But this will happen much later.
I can confidently say Chopper and X Drake will do about 30% damage to Queen before Sanji has to save them. But it wonβt takeaway this massive W from Chopper, he deserved it.
Also to add, Chopper is an innocent soul. He only goes into Monster Point to protect himself and/or against true enemies.
- Fishman Island to show off his control of his Rumble Balls
- Punk hazard to protect himself and not hurt the experimented Children
- Whole Cake Island, he was ready to take Big Down with him into the sea while defending the Sunny and the crew.
- And now because Queen is a massive fucked up individual who endangered the lives of the alliance and his crew.
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I don't think this is analogous to Punk Hazard because:
Chopper's confrontation with Queen in Wanokuni has much greater narrative depth than his antagonism towards Caesar in Punk Hazard. I don't think Chopper failing to fight Caesar in Punk Hazard is a convincing counterexample.
If I am understanding you properly, your claim is that in Wanokuni Chopper will be the only Strawhat that does not defeat their arc opponent (even if it's as part of a tag team)? Is that really your position? Everyone but Chopper will defeat their arc opponent? And you say this after Chapter 1007?
I think it's mighty unlikely. It's possible that Sanji tag teams Queen with Chopper, but Chopper getting defeated while facing his arc opponent seems very unlikely to me.
Queen is the only postskip opponent of Chopper's for which there is substantial narrative setup.
Besides, didn't Chopper use Monster Point to fodderise Dosun? @Midnight Delight?
- Chopper did not have an arc opponent in Punk Hazard
- He seems set for one in Wano
- Caesar already had a bigger grudge against Luffy
- Queen's biggest beef right now are with Chopper and Drake
- He's tried to kill both characters twice already
- Caesar never directly tried to kill Chopper specifically
- Queen tried to kill Chopper
- Chopper never directly attacked Caesar
- Chopper bitch slapped Queen in Chapter 1007
- Chopper was not given an eponymous chapter that focused on his conflict with Caesar
- The focus of Chapter 1007 was Chopper's confrontation vs Queen
- Luffy never entrusted Chopper with handling Caesar
- Zoro entrusted the Ice Oni, Queen and the Live Floor to Chopper
Chopper's confrontation with Queen in Wanokuni has much greater narrative depth than his antagonism towards Caesar in Punk Hazard. I don't think Chopper failing to fight Caesar in Punk Hazard is a convincing counterexample.
If I am understanding you properly, your claim is that in Wanokuni Chopper will be the only Strawhat that does not defeat their arc opponent (even if it's as part of a tag team)? Is that really your position? Everyone but Chopper will defeat their arc opponent? And you say this after Chapter 1007?
I think it's mighty unlikely. It's possible that Sanji tag teams Queen with Chopper, but Chopper getting defeated while facing his arc opponent seems very unlikely to me.
Queen is the only postskip opponent of Chopper's for which there is substantial narrative setup.
Besides, didn't Chopper use Monster Point to fodderise Dosun? @Midnight Delight?
