Speculations Chopper's Opponent May Actually Be Drake
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Yeah but this isn't proven like at all so why are we even having this argument lol. You have someone like Franky fighting a F6 member who's apparently on par or stronger than Drake. Where is this argument coming from? Why are we headcanoning things we truly don't know? Do I believe they are all strong? Sure. Do I believe that any one of the strawhats could potentially surpass characters like Bege, Hawkins, Apoo, etc by the end of the arc? Absolutely.
Again, "Supernova" is really a term not set in stone because it hasn't been used for years and many of these characters lost their competitive stance against Luffy the moment they submitted to Kaido/Big Mom. Really the only characters comparable to Luffy at this point are Kid and Law, and I heavily question Law after losing to Doflamingo. We don't know enough about Bonney and Urouge to make a judgement call yet.
We all need to stop making these arbitrary power scaling calls that fundamentally aren't proven in the manga at all. There's nothing saying that Drake, a character on or around the level of 5 other Headliner Captains, couldn't be taken on by Chopper, especially when his companions, both weaker and stronger, are fighting characters of the same caliber.
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Lol, you definitely didn't read my post then. I specifically gave a reason for why it "might" happen. You can't touch people with the Oni Virus. But what if someone ends up attacking Chopper?
The theory (again, say it with me, THEORY) I had in the OP was Drake potentially being good enough to sacrifice himself so that Chopper could continue making the antidote. Then it would be up to Chopper to return the favor and cure him.
Thats it. Nothing about "downplaying" Drake. Nothing about him not being able to recover or fight Kaido later. He's "tied" to Apoo because Apoo is trying to get to Chopper, look at the first picture I posted. He was trying to get to Chopper until Drake bit him. Apoo is still trying to get to Chopper.
Again, "Supernova" is really a term not set in stone because it hasn't been used for years and many of these characters lost their competitive stance against Luffy the moment they submitted to Kaido/Big Mom. Really the only characters comparable to Luffy at this point are Kid and Law, and I heavily question Law after losing to Doflamingo. We don't know enough about Bonney and Urouge to make a judgement call yet.
We all need to stop making these arbitrary power scaling calls that fundamentally aren't proven in the manga at all. There's nothing saying that Drake, a character on or around the level of 5 other Headliner Captains, couldn't be taken on by Chopper, especially when his companions, both weaker and stronger, are fighting characters of the same caliber.
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Lol, you definitely didn't read my post then. I specifically gave a reason for why it "might" happen. You can't touch people with the Oni Virus. But what if someone ends up attacking Chopper?
The theory (again, say it with me, THEORY) I had in the OP was Drake potentially being good enough to sacrifice himself so that Chopper could continue making the antidote. Then it would be up to Chopper to return the favor and cure him.
Thats it. Nothing about "downplaying" Drake. Nothing about him not being able to recover or fight Kaido later. He's "tied" to Apoo because Apoo is trying to get to Chopper, look at the first picture I posted. He was trying to get to Chopper until Drake bit him. Apoo is still trying to get to Chopper.
We are assuming the same thing from Nami/Usopp though, no? Time for him to unlock Haki lol. I guess I still need to remind people that Chopper was fighting stronger opponents than Nami, Usopp and Franky's own pre-timeskip, and was treated as an equal to Franky in Thriller Bark when he teamed up to punch Oars. Its Oda's "writing" that has made people forget this because he's been so poorly treated.
Bruh, you are starting to contradict yourself. If the Tobi Roppo are the strongest 6 headliners, but you say that Hawkins could be as strong as them because he hasn't been there that long, that is pure headcanon and a contradiction to what you are saying now.
The Tobi Roppo ARE the strongest 6 headliners, that IS a fact. We don't KNOW how strong each of them are relative to each other. Which is why this whole silly argument about Chopper not being able to fight Drake is pointless when 3 of his companions of variable strength (Franky, Nami and Usopp) are all fighting F6 members and are likely to defeat them. And Drake refusing to become an All-Star just supported the fact that he was undercover and has no indication relative to his strength, so I'm not sure why we are even going there.
Again, nothing implies Chopper can't fight or defeat Drake. Its headcanon a fanmade rule to only insinuate Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe can, or to insinuate that LIKE the F6, the Supernova aren't all wildly different in terms of strength. Just because Chopper can't defeat Luffy or Zoro or likely Kid, Killer, or Law , doesn't mean he can't defeat Hawkins or Apoo or Drake or Bege. Really, nothing implies it, which again, is why its headcanon to insinuate it can't happen.
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Ok so give me a reason that's not headcanon, because your second statement is pure headcanon and literally has nothing to do with anything going on in the manga currently lol.
Guys, I'm not saying my THEORY is happening, but at least its backed by where characters are and what they are doing, and right now Drake and Chopper are tied to the Oni Virus plotline because Drake is protecting Chopper from Apoo.
The Tobi Roppo ARE the strongest 6 headliners, that IS a fact. We don't KNOW how strong each of them are relative to each other. Which is why this whole silly argument about Chopper not being able to fight Drake is pointless when 3 of his companions of variable strength (Franky, Nami and Usopp) are all fighting F6 members and are likely to defeat them. And Drake refusing to become an All-Star just supported the fact that he was undercover and has no indication relative to his strength, so I'm not sure why we are even going there.
Again, nothing implies Chopper can't fight or defeat Drake. Its headcanon a fanmade rule to only insinuate Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe can, or to insinuate that LIKE the F6, the Supernova aren't all wildly different in terms of strength. Just because Chopper can't defeat Luffy or Zoro or likely Kid, Killer, or Law , doesn't mean he can't defeat Hawkins or Apoo or Drake or Bege. Really, nothing implies it, which again, is why its headcanon to insinuate it can't happen.
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Ok so give me a reason that's not headcanon, because your second statement is pure headcanon and literally has nothing to do with anything going on in the manga currently lol.
Guys, I'm not saying my THEORY is happening, but at least its backed by where characters are and what they are doing, and right now Drake and Chopper are tied to the Oni Virus plotline because Drake is protecting Chopper from Apoo.
I don't see any contradiction. Tobi Roppo are just the 6 strongest headliners, but they have to prove themselves to have this title. How is Hawkins supposed to prove he's top 6 material in such a short amount of time ?
"We don't KNOW how strong each of them are relative to each other"
You're the one who contradicts himself here. You said earlier they are of similar caliber.
"We don't KNOW how strong each of them are relative to each other"
You're the one who contradicts himself here. You said earlier they are of similar caliber.
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Ya'll need to look at this image again (since people apparently didn't read the OP and are purely commenting on the "controversial" Title.
Start from the top:
- Brook is concerned about protecting Chopper while he makes the antidote.
- Hyogoro and the 4 Yakuza bosses, which you can see all 5 of them together in the Hyou panel and the Drake panel, are protecting the door Chopper just went into.
- They want to close the door to protect him.
- Apoo is ABOUT to attack Chopper, and Brook is ABOUT to defend him, but Drake comes out of nowhere and attacks Apoo.
So right now, Drake and Hyou + the 4 Yakuza are defending Chopper while he makes the Antidote. The notable thing about Chapter 998 is that its not only just showing off the Ancient Zoans, its specifically showing off only the Tobi Roppo. None of the Calamities are featured with their powers this chapter (they are featured next chapter). YES, Drake is a former Tobi Roppo, but all I was pointing out here is that Oda decided to point out Drake with the rest of his former crew members.
Not ONLY this, but Drake is now central to a plotline that involves a virus that causes anyone to indiscriminately attack any other person. I'm just pointing out that it sounds fishy since Drake, the sole defector of the beasts pirates, is protecting the one person who is counteracting a virus that could "force" him to become an enemy.
Forget powerlevels and headcanon. I'm just showing people that there is a possible connection because Chopper is the ONE Strawhat who isn't near any Tobi Roppo member, unless you count Drake. Finally, there is something in the 1006 spoilers I want to talk about but can't so that will have to wait till Friday.
Start from the top:
- Brook is concerned about protecting Chopper while he makes the antidote.
- Hyogoro and the 4 Yakuza bosses, which you can see all 5 of them together in the Hyou panel and the Drake panel, are protecting the door Chopper just went into.
- They want to close the door to protect him.
- Apoo is ABOUT to attack Chopper, and Brook is ABOUT to defend him, but Drake comes out of nowhere and attacks Apoo.
So right now, Drake and Hyou + the 4 Yakuza are defending Chopper while he makes the Antidote. The notable thing about Chapter 998 is that its not only just showing off the Ancient Zoans, its specifically showing off only the Tobi Roppo. None of the Calamities are featured with their powers this chapter (they are featured next chapter). YES, Drake is a former Tobi Roppo, but all I was pointing out here is that Oda decided to point out Drake with the rest of his former crew members.
Not ONLY this, but Drake is now central to a plotline that involves a virus that causes anyone to indiscriminately attack any other person. I'm just pointing out that it sounds fishy since Drake, the sole defector of the beasts pirates, is protecting the one person who is counteracting a virus that could "force" him to become an enemy.
Forget powerlevels and headcanon. I'm just showing people that there is a possible connection because Chopper is the ONE Strawhat who isn't near any Tobi Roppo member, unless you count Drake. Finally, there is something in the 1006 spoilers I want to talk about but can't so that will have to wait till Friday.
Chopper is apart of the weakling trio with Nami and Usopp. This was shown as recently as the start of the Onigashima raid with them sitting back while the other SHs fought.
Nami and Usopp fought Ulti and P1 head on and got murdered; Ulti and P1 were even totying with them and taking hits on purpose. Later, Nami was able to zap Ulti via circumstance aka plot. For Chopper to suddenly grow to the point where he can take Drake legit is a very poor power creep. Best case scenario is for Drake to become a mindless brute without haki.
Nami and Usopp fought Ulti and P1 head on and got murdered; Ulti and P1 were even totying with them and taking hits on purpose. Later, Nami was able to zap Ulti via circumstance aka plot. For Chopper to suddenly grow to the point where he can take Drake legit is a very poor power creep. Best case scenario is for Drake to become a mindless brute without haki.
Read the above, I really don't want to talk about this anymore. This entire thread got derailed to yet another powerscaling argument and I want nothing to do with it, but I'll answer this last one.
I didn't contradict myself. The Tobi Roppo are labelled in the same group, but clearly some are stronger than others. "Caliber" does not imply they all are exactly the same strength. Its directly implicit by the fact that Nami and Jinbe are fighting the "6 strongest" headliners, yet we all know for a fact Whos Who is stronger than Ulti, because Jinbe is the one fighting him. What I was talking about were more arbitrary things like, where Black Maria stands in comparison to Sasaki, or where Drake is in their little group. You can make the same comparison with the Calamities. Clearly King is the strongest. We all know this, hence his title. Jack is scared of both Queen and King, hence he's the weakest. They all are Kaido's top 3 subordinates. See how its arbitrary because they are "all calamities", fitting under the same group of being the strongest under Kaido, yet its a solid fact that there is an internal hierarchy between them? We figured the hierarchy for the Calamities because its obvious. The same can't be entirely said for the Tobi Roppo.
And at the moment, yes, its entirely headcanon to assume Hawkins "didn't have enough time" to compete for a Tobi Roppo seat, because it was never stated in the manga, nor has he ever stated he's wanted to get it. Thats like also assuming Who's Who is stronger than Jack because he was confident in his ability to get a Tobi Roppo seat. We don't know because they never got to compete for Calamity seats, so now all we have is the obvious titles hierarchy in the BP crew to tell us that Jack is stronger than Who's Who, and that every Tobi Roppo member is stronger than the rest of the Headliners, including Hawkins, unless its magically stated otherwise. Apoo on the otherhand does not have the title, so I've never insinuated he's weaker than a Tobi Roppo.
I didn't contradict myself. The Tobi Roppo are labelled in the same group, but clearly some are stronger than others. "Caliber" does not imply they all are exactly the same strength. Its directly implicit by the fact that Nami and Jinbe are fighting the "6 strongest" headliners, yet we all know for a fact Whos Who is stronger than Ulti, because Jinbe is the one fighting him. What I was talking about were more arbitrary things like, where Black Maria stands in comparison to Sasaki, or where Drake is in their little group. You can make the same comparison with the Calamities. Clearly King is the strongest. We all know this, hence his title. Jack is scared of both Queen and King, hence he's the weakest. They all are Kaido's top 3 subordinates. See how its arbitrary because they are "all calamities", fitting under the same group of being the strongest under Kaido, yet its a solid fact that there is an internal hierarchy between them? We figured the hierarchy for the Calamities because its obvious. The same can't be entirely said for the Tobi Roppo.
And at the moment, yes, its entirely headcanon to assume Hawkins "didn't have enough time" to compete for a Tobi Roppo seat, because it was never stated in the manga, nor has he ever stated he's wanted to get it. Thats like also assuming Who's Who is stronger than Jack because he was confident in his ability to get a Tobi Roppo seat. We don't know because they never got to compete for Calamity seats, so now all we have is the obvious titles hierarchy in the BP crew to tell us that Jack is stronger than Who's Who, and that every Tobi Roppo member is stronger than the rest of the Headliners, including Hawkins, unless its magically stated otherwise. Apoo on the otherhand does not have the title, so I've never insinuated he's weaker than a Tobi Roppo.
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My main argument against this would be that why would Chopper full on "fight" Drake?
Even in a scenario where Drake gets infected, why would that require chopper to straight up beat him and not just cure him like every other infected person?
The antidote Chopper is currently working on will probably need some way of being applied en masse since he has to cure both a lot of allied samurai and a lot of the beast pirates, so even if Drake gets infected i doubt curing him would require to be defeated by Chopper.
At best i could see an ice oni mindless dinosaur Drake having to be held down by Monster Chopper so they can give him the antidote.
Even in a scenario where Drake gets infected, why would that require chopper to straight up beat him and not just cure him like every other infected person?
The antidote Chopper is currently working on will probably need some way of being applied en masse since he has to cure both a lot of allied samurai and a lot of the beast pirates, so even if Drake gets infected i doubt curing him would require to be defeated by Chopper.
At best i could see an ice oni mindless dinosaur Drake having to be held down by Monster Chopper so they can give him the antidote.
That actually is a good point. Ive thought about it before, but it actually comes down to two obvious things:
- If Drake even gets infected at all.
- How the antidote/vaccine gets administered.
Obviously if Drake is fine the entire time, this whole argument is moot. Same with the fact that if the antidote/vaccine gets disbursed through the air by some gas, then it would again make this theory pointless.
My "theory" at this point really just involves it being the old fashioned way, by injection. This would be the Mink's next task, to help Chopper administer the doses en masse but in person. Drake, if infected, could actually be a problem for any of them, which could then force Chopper to fight him so he can administer the cure, because virtually every other powerful ally would be busy fighting everyone else.
IMO, it at least helps give this whole virus/Chopper plotline a purpose, rather than just serving as an almost pointless distraction.
- If Drake even gets infected at all.
- How the antidote/vaccine gets administered.
Obviously if Drake is fine the entire time, this whole argument is moot. Same with the fact that if the antidote/vaccine gets disbursed through the air by some gas, then it would again make this theory pointless.
My "theory" at this point really just involves it being the old fashioned way, by injection. This would be the Mink's next task, to help Chopper administer the doses en masse but in person. Drake, if infected, could actually be a problem for any of them, which could then force Chopper to fight him so he can administer the cure, because virtually every other powerful ally would be busy fighting everyone else.
IMO, it at least helps give this whole virus/Chopper plotline a purpose, rather than just serving as an almost pointless distraction.
its only matter of time
It could work if there are 5 acts and this is not Chopper's main fight. As a Chopper fan, i would want him to have a proper fight with a real character, not a mindless oni zombie even if it's Drake. Either way this plotline is sort of already relevant and personal for Chopper not only as a doctor but also as past experience when he couldn't control his monster point and turned too, in a mindless beast attacking friends and foe alike. Whether its guilt or duty, he must be twice as much concerned.
I'm a big supporter of Page1 vs Chopper, and i do not believe that Nami and Usopp can solo them.
I'm a big supporter of Page1 vs Chopper, and i do not believe that Nami and Usopp can solo them.
Drake could realistically be the strongest Tobiroppo since he's just not interested in fighting a Calamity to take his place (unlike WW and Sasaki) and looks like his collegues were poiting at him as a candidate (this panel isn't really clear tho), also could have some Navy training (like Rokushiki, for example) that would put him above the F5. The fact that he's an undercover operator makes me think that he didn't show everything he can do to the Beast Pirates
Apoo has a specific role in the Beast Pirates as the Numbers tamer, this doesn't mean he's below the Tobiroppo for combat prowness tho since he's just not "requested" for that position. Strenght-wise he's showing that he can for sure fight Tobiroppo (I'm sure that he can beat Ulti, P1, Black Maria and maybe Sasaki)
Hawkins.. well the man is difficult to judge since he did nothing during the war, but he joined the Beast Pirates a month ago (?) or something like that. I don't think that's enough time to stand out and be promoted to the 'Special Force' of the Beast Pirates
Apoo has a specific role in the Beast Pirates as the Numbers tamer, this doesn't mean he's below the Tobiroppo for combat prowness tho since he's just not "requested" for that position. Strenght-wise he's showing that he can for sure fight Tobiroppo (I'm sure that he can beat Ulti, P1, Black Maria and maybe Sasaki)
Hawkins.. well the man is difficult to judge since he did nothing during the war, but he joined the Beast Pirates a month ago (?) or something like that. I don't think that's enough time to stand out and be promoted to the 'Special Force' of the Beast Pirates
I like your theory. The way I see it, Each Beast Pirate biggie will fight one strawhat in final match ups.
Luffy vs Kaido
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Jimbe vs Jack
Brook vs Who'sWho
Franky vs Sasaki
Robin vs Black Maria
Nami vs Ulti
Usopp vs P1
Only Chopper has no match up. Also he is the medic. It makes sense if his fight is set up with Oni-Drake. It will be bad if only beast of Strawhats never get to fight a dinosaur.
Everyone is underestimating Chopper. Dude is beast when he is on his rumble balls. He even added more points postTS.
Luffy vs Kaido
Zoro vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Jimbe vs Jack
Brook vs Who'sWho
Franky vs Sasaki
Robin vs Black Maria
Nami vs Ulti
Usopp vs P1
Only Chopper has no match up. Also he is the medic. It makes sense if his fight is set up with Oni-Drake. It will be bad if only beast of Strawhats never get to fight a dinosaur.
Everyone is underestimating Chopper. Dude is beast when he is on his rumble balls. He even added more points postTS.
It would be dumb if Oda continue to drag this thing any longer with that curing problem. This shit should be solved right after the antidote is ready, we gotta move on to another business.
Also X-Drake won't turn to be white walker who lost his mind and fight Chopper, he's too good to be treated like that.
Sane Drake won't fight Chopper either. No chances after he gave his words to Zoro.
Drake won't be affected at all.
Therefore this fight won't ever happen imo.
Also X-Drake won't turn to be white walker who lost his mind and fight Chopper, he's too good to be treated like that.
Sane Drake won't fight Chopper either. No chances after he gave his words to Zoro.
Drake won't be affected at all.
Therefore this fight won't ever happen imo.