General & Others Compiling a list of Wano Criticisms
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Main story line was not that interesting. I didn't feel any kind of connect towards scabbards or Oden.
Oden wank was excessive and annoying. Though I like some aspects of his flashback but on a whole it was extremely disappointing.
Oda didn't show us why scabbards respected Oden and why they are willing to sacrifice everything for him.
Didn't like Tama storyline at all. Everyone suspected her DF to be plot convience since it was introduced. But I don't think Oda had a way to justify alliance's victory(when it happens) if BP and BMP had combined strength of 30k +.
Don't know why Big Mom is involved at all. Seems like she is just here to get defeated. Treatment of BMP has been beyond poor. Amnesia plot was horrific. Don't think BMP are gonna get over the waterfall before the Onigashima battle ends. That's kind of horrific.
Toki seems like wasted character. Can't believe we didn't explore a character who came in from void century.
Even though everything went against alliance just before the raid, there is no tension at all literally. Everyone is happy and enjoying their fight in Onigashima smh. But this may change by the end of act 3.
We are yet to explore Kaido's character in depth even though we are nearly 100 chapters into the arc? Didn't connect with Yamato as well. Hope flying six are explored more.
Calamities have been extremely disappointing (except Queen). King has lot of mysteries surrounding him, hope it's explored soon and not left alone like Oda did with Smoothie.
Don't know why Kaido allowed Orochi to rule Wano for this long. If Orochi is supposedly dead, then I don't see the point. Great potential wasted....
Luffy unecssarily spamming G4 even though he still feels side effects of using it (and G4 consumes lot of haki in short time..) on some fodders was kinda bad. Kidd has been extremely disappointing so far. His DF usage has next to no creativity.
Oden wank was excessive and annoying. Though I like some aspects of his flashback but on a whole it was extremely disappointing.
Oda didn't show us why scabbards respected Oden and why they are willing to sacrifice everything for him.
Didn't like Tama storyline at all. Everyone suspected her DF to be plot convience since it was introduced. But I don't think Oda had a way to justify alliance's victory(when it happens) if BP and BMP had combined strength of 30k +.
Don't know why Big Mom is involved at all. Seems like she is just here to get defeated. Treatment of BMP has been beyond poor. Amnesia plot was horrific. Don't think BMP are gonna get over the waterfall before the Onigashima battle ends. That's kind of horrific.
Toki seems like wasted character. Can't believe we didn't explore a character who came in from void century.
Even though everything went against alliance just before the raid, there is no tension at all literally. Everyone is happy and enjoying their fight in Onigashima smh. But this may change by the end of act 3.
We are yet to explore Kaido's character in depth even though we are nearly 100 chapters into the arc? Didn't connect with Yamato as well. Hope flying six are explored more.
Calamities have been extremely disappointing (except Queen). King has lot of mysteries surrounding him, hope it's explored soon and not left alone like Oda did with Smoothie.
Don't know why Kaido allowed Orochi to rule Wano for this long. If Orochi is supposedly dead, then I don't see the point. Great potential wasted....
Luffy unecssarily spamming G4 even though he still feels side effects of using it (and G4 consumes lot of haki in short time..) on some fodders was kinda bad. Kidd has been extremely disappointing so far. His DF usage has next to no creativity.
The point being that people appreciate the manga better after when the arc is done as they're able to see and understand things that they weren't able to when the arc was still ongoing. Dressrossa, for example, may still be one of the worst paced arcs but the number of people who hate it over the same reason is drastically lower now than what it used to be. Hardly anyone ranked it higher than pre-skip arcs back then but now a lot of people place it in their top 3 arcs.
I wasn't talking exclusively about post skip arcs btw. There were complaints during almost every single arc and all of them were termed as the worst arc at one point or another. If One Piece continued to get worse after every consecutive arc then it wouldn't be where it is today IMO.
I don't disagree and I did not tell anyone of stop criticizing weekly chapters. I only said it's too soon to compare Wano with the other arcs and call it worse.
I wasn't talking exclusively about post skip arcs btw. There were complaints during almost every single arc and all of them were termed as the worst arc at one point or another. If One Piece continued to get worse after every consecutive arc then it wouldn't be where it is today IMO.
I don't disagree and I did not tell anyone of stop criticizing weekly chapters. I only said it's too soon to compare Wano with the other arcs and call it worse.
Hyping up Kaido's scale durability to the extent that G4 couldn't beat it only to have it be dehyped in favor of his extreme regeneration.
Luffy not using FS when it is not plot relevant.
Strawhats letting Momo get kidnapped when they can fly faster than him.
Luffy messing around rather than getting to the roof in time to prevent the scabbards being destroyed- Law messing around with ponyglyphs at the same time- in fact them separating up in the first place rather than going together and absolutely destroying Kaido.
Kidd having no knowledge or plan how to overcome the scales so far.
Sanji not escaping despite hells memories being able to burn the web and flight preventing them from being able to catch him.
Luffy not using FS when it is not plot relevant.
Strawhats letting Momo get kidnapped when they can fly faster than him.
Luffy messing around rather than getting to the roof in time to prevent the scabbards being destroyed- Law messing around with ponyglyphs at the same time- in fact them separating up in the first place rather than going together and absolutely destroying Kaido.
Kidd having no knowledge or plan how to overcome the scales so far.
Sanji not escaping despite hells memories being able to burn the web and flight preventing them from being able to catch him.
Eh ?
Denjiro was an oden fanboy and saw his feat vs the mountain god
Kinemon saw oden take the responsibility and blame that should have been his for said incident
Izo and kiku were kids with no where to go that were taken in and looked after
Raizo already new oden and was part of the shoguns ninja team until he left after heart break
Doji had respect because he fought and lost to oden
Kanjuro was a spy
Neko inu and kawamatsu were saved by oden from an angry mob and he unlike everyone else didnt judge him on their appearance. They all had enough reason to follow oden
it just shows he gave all these people who were lost in their own way a place to belong
Denjiro was an oden fanboy and saw his feat vs the mountain god
Kinemon saw oden take the responsibility and blame that should have been his for said incident
Izo and kiku were kids with no where to go that were taken in and looked after
Raizo already new oden and was part of the shoguns ninja team until he left after heart break
Doji had respect because he fought and lost to oden
Kanjuro was a spy
Neko inu and kawamatsu were saved by oden from an angry mob and he unlike everyone else didnt judge him on their appearance. They all had enough reason to follow oden
it just shows he gave all these people who were lost in their own way a place to belong
Kaido is done, no flashback can save him.
No flashback can rationalize being an adrenaline junky-death seeker who screams in terror after taking minor injuries.
No flashback can rationalize wanting to start the world’s greatest war while begging his subordinates to keep Big Mom out of Wano.
Kaido is a contradictory mess, and even the greatest flashback in human history cannot save this gargantuan failure.
No flashback can rationalize being an adrenaline junky-death seeker who screams in terror after taking minor injuries.
No flashback can rationalize wanting to start the world’s greatest war while begging his subordinates to keep Big Mom out of Wano.
Kaido is a contradictory mess, and even the greatest flashback in human history cannot save this gargantuan failure.
Yeah, and I don't think Tama's DF even matters much here. Since they don't even seem like a threat anymore. I was expecting the Minks to try to work hard to take care of the the "mighty" gifters(whom I thought had some kind of sulong type form too which even they may not be aware of..i.e. experimental) and when Tama's DF was introduced, I thought okay since minks/samurai numbers are so low this will help them a bit..... but minks are not even fighting the gifters, gifters are shit and Tama's DF doesn't even feel that effective since the threat itself is not that great. Like Oda could just make it seem they all go trashed by SHs with their crowd control and it would make sense too.
I completly agree with you here but the last part.
One piece always had its flaws or conveniences but I really could feel the heart of the story, the whole feeling was amazing.
But now since 2/3 arcs i don't taste this feeling anymore. Things seem more mechanical, more hollow and the result is I see a lot more the flaws and am not as lenient with them
One piece always had its flaws or conveniences but I really could feel the heart of the story, the whole feeling was amazing.
But now since 2/3 arcs i don't taste this feeling anymore. Things seem more mechanical, more hollow and the result is I see a lot more the flaws and am not as lenient with them
This is all your interpretation, it is by no means facts, and you're taking everything at face value far too much
"Screaming in terror" Or you know, scream in pain? pain he hasn't felt in a long time it seems and pain he definitely didn't expect to feel from the scabbards of al people. People here tend to stick with some interpretation of the scenes and run with them as if they were true and in this case a lot of people just ran with the "Kaido has Oden PTSD" explanation, but nothing really proves he was scared or traumatized by the scabbbard's attack. He was talking with them and smiling in the basement just fine after the attack.
"Junkie Death Seeker" This is what we're missing here and why a flashback could bring everything together. Kaido wanting to die, wanting to be the PK and wanting to start a great war don't have to be conflicting motivations. The man seems to idolize people who died great and glorious deaths that made them be remembered forever (Oden, Roger, WB), but that doesn't mean he just wants to die because he's depressed or something. There is some fucked up implications here that Kaido believes the only way to really be acomplished is to die in some grandiose and memorable way, which could explain why he even jumped from a sky island, but since we're still missing info on his character we don't know why he believes that.
Of course he'd want Big Mom out, he wants to start a war with the whole world, and a legit full scale war between him and BM would just mean them near killing each other's crews, destorying his territory and being left as easy pickings for the WG. He would have no way of knowing BM was there because she wanted to kill Luffy and talk with him, of course he'd assume the worst if a yonko just came to his territory, it doesn't have to conflict with his war motivations.
On top of all of that, he's an irrational, impulsive drunk with a cynical side that believes the world just doesn't have great powerful people anymore, and now almost the entire new generation are there essentialy proving to him wrong, which is why he seems to be enjoying himself up in the roof.
"Screaming in terror" Or you know, scream in pain? pain he hasn't felt in a long time it seems and pain he definitely didn't expect to feel from the scabbards of al people. People here tend to stick with some interpretation of the scenes and run with them as if they were true and in this case a lot of people just ran with the "Kaido has Oden PTSD" explanation, but nothing really proves he was scared or traumatized by the scabbbard's attack. He was talking with them and smiling in the basement just fine after the attack.
"Junkie Death Seeker" This is what we're missing here and why a flashback could bring everything together. Kaido wanting to die, wanting to be the PK and wanting to start a great war don't have to be conflicting motivations. The man seems to idolize people who died great and glorious deaths that made them be remembered forever (Oden, Roger, WB), but that doesn't mean he just wants to die because he's depressed or something. There is some fucked up implications here that Kaido believes the only way to really be acomplished is to die in some grandiose and memorable way, which could explain why he even jumped from a sky island, but since we're still missing info on his character we don't know why he believes that.
Of course he'd want Big Mom out, he wants to start a war with the whole world, and a legit full scale war between him and BM would just mean them near killing each other's crews, destorying his territory and being left as easy pickings for the WG. He would have no way of knowing BM was there because she wanted to kill Luffy and talk with him, of course he'd assume the worst if a yonko just came to his territory, it doesn't have to conflict with his war motivations.
On top of all of that, he's an irrational, impulsive drunk with a cynical side that believes the world just doesn't have great powerful people anymore, and now almost the entire new generation are there essentialy proving to him wrong, which is why he seems to be enjoying himself up in the roof.
Tama existing was a blatant answer to the Gifter problem.
Chopper existing was a blatant answer to Queen's viruses.
King and Queen being torturers was massive cap.
I actually really enjoyed Udon, but Queen is really retarded for thinking someone that beat Katakuri and Cracker, has CoC, and stormed Big Mom would lose to some fodder Gifters. Like what was his thought process? He didn't even send Flying 6 or Jack to wittle him down...
Luffy used CoC for half of them, and didn't even push G3..
IRL Coronavirus vaccine to 100% efficacy is taking 2 years almost.
But yea, Chopper cooking up a treatment within ten minutes seems legit.
Everything else in Wano fits the themes of OP.
Chopper existing was a blatant answer to Queen's viruses.
King and Queen being torturers was massive cap.
I actually really enjoyed Udon, but Queen is really retarded for thinking someone that beat Katakuri and Cracker, has CoC, and stormed Big Mom would lose to some fodder Gifters. Like what was his thought process? He didn't even send Flying 6 or Jack to wittle him down...
Luffy used CoC for half of them, and didn't even push G3..
IRL Coronavirus vaccine to 100% efficacy is taking 2 years almost.
But yea, Chopper cooking up a treatment within ten minutes seems legit.
Everything else in Wano fits the themes of OP.
