Chapter Discussion Copium within the Zorofandom. The Hypocricy!!
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doflamingo still maintains luffy is rubber
goes on to even explain how he does it
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doflamingo still maintains luffy is rubber
goes on to even explain how he does it
And that's not even to mention what he did against Cracker with Tank man. He absorbed his sword, even though it was fully covered in armament haki.
Tbh i'll dislike it if Joy Boy is some all-powerful guy and he will possess Luffy's body to beat Kaidou. It will betray Luffy's own struggle, his own promise to surpass Kaidou. I'll be distasted as well if Joy Boy lends his power temporarily to Luffy instead of Luffy inventing his own power to beat Kaidou. Luffy is his own man especially in combat, thats what i feel from his statement about freedom.
But if, Luffy does literally becomes Joy Boy (somehow) instead of being possessed, i'm still gonna have mixed feelings about it. Oda should explain the power structure of this stuff imo, how does it work? Do you need to check some of the boxes to be Joy Boy, so that Luffy's effort still plays part in his crowning? Is it genetic stuff, so Luffy's an ultimate chosen one all along? Is it related to the rubber DF? Why must Luffy get the chosen one DF then? Is his destiny comes without effort? Is Luffy's DF destined to be the most powerful DF ever that will nullify or retcon any of the fairness and effort Luffy did all this time to surpass Kaidou by his own?
Or is it related to CoC, so anyone having CoC can be Joy Boy if they meet requirement? Or anyone having CoC can MEET Joy Boy if they meet some requirement? If it's the case, what is CoC's nature in the first place? Is it lineage? Chosen by birth like Garp said? Blessed by the heavens like Trebol said? Or just merely the will to stand above others like Hancock said? Why are the statements are so damn contradictive to each other if it's gonna be the key to Joy Boy powers?
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Thats my actual question instead of Zorofandom. While about that certain fanatic and cultist side of Zoro fandom, well, i dont set much expectation since they trash others and do double standards all the time.
In my personal case, "Oden's haki" perception stuff came from BM and Kaidou saying about "not an ordinary sword" and "Oden's presence inside the sword". Since the two didnt make the statement clear, it's natural to divide the fandom's view. We need Zoro's definitive statement for what Enma really function as, and we've got it in his battle vs King, that it uses Zoro's haki more than intended, so that Zoro must go all-out (awaken his CoC infusion) and channel it to Enma ("my sword is gonna kill me").
But it's different for Luffy's case. Zunisha specifically said Joy Boy is back after Luffy's death, not before while Luffy was in Zou. So that being said, Luffy's struggle against Kaidou until 1043 is literally his own struggle. But from this point on? I'm questioning myself whether i must prepare for some Naruto stuff where Luffy will have unlimited chakra/haki due to Kurama/Joy Boy backing him up...or even worse, complete possession by Joy Boy from the past who's gonna defeat Kaidou instead of Luffy himself, betraying the whole narrative of Luffy surpassing the strongest to be PK.
But if, Luffy does literally becomes Joy Boy (somehow) instead of being possessed, i'm still gonna have mixed feelings about it. Oda should explain the power structure of this stuff imo, how does it work? Do you need to check some of the boxes to be Joy Boy, so that Luffy's effort still plays part in his crowning? Is it genetic stuff, so Luffy's an ultimate chosen one all along? Is it related to the rubber DF? Why must Luffy get the chosen one DF then? Is his destiny comes without effort? Is Luffy's DF destined to be the most powerful DF ever that will nullify or retcon any of the fairness and effort Luffy did all this time to surpass Kaidou by his own?
Or is it related to CoC, so anyone having CoC can be Joy Boy if they meet requirement? Or anyone having CoC can MEET Joy Boy if they meet some requirement? If it's the case, what is CoC's nature in the first place? Is it lineage? Chosen by birth like Garp said? Blessed by the heavens like Trebol said? Or just merely the will to stand above others like Hancock said? Why are the statements are so damn contradictive to each other if it's gonna be the key to Joy Boy powers?
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Thats my actual question instead of Zorofandom. While about that certain fanatic and cultist side of Zoro fandom, well, i dont set much expectation since they trash others and do double standards all the time.
In my personal case, "Oden's haki" perception stuff came from BM and Kaidou saying about "not an ordinary sword" and "Oden's presence inside the sword". Since the two didnt make the statement clear, it's natural to divide the fandom's view. We need Zoro's definitive statement for what Enma really function as, and we've got it in his battle vs King, that it uses Zoro's haki more than intended, so that Zoro must go all-out (awaken his CoC infusion) and channel it to Enma ("my sword is gonna kill me").
But it's different for Luffy's case. Zunisha specifically said Joy Boy is back after Luffy's death, not before while Luffy was in Zou. So that being said, Luffy's struggle against Kaidou until 1043 is literally his own struggle. But from this point on? I'm questioning myself whether i must prepare for some Naruto stuff where Luffy will have unlimited chakra/haki due to Kurama/Joy Boy backing him up...or even worse, complete possession by Joy Boy from the past who's gonna defeat Kaidou instead of Luffy himself, betraying the whole narrative of Luffy surpassing the strongest to be PK.
Yes that's what I think too : everyone have their own things. But you can't just by default say it's MC so impossible for Zoro to be above Luffy or etc.
Even the most famous manga before One Piece : DBZ, the strongest wasn't Goku but his kid Gohan.
Let's take another one, Naruto with Sasuke being on par with the MC when the latter had all powers lol!
Some Zoro fans want Zoro to be Luffy, most of Sanji fans want to be Zoro. But most of Zoro fans want Zoro to be Zoro, so they don't give a limit to Zoro. Why Luffy is the benchmark when Zoro's path is different ? His dream is related to strenght, not to find a treasure so ...
But let's not forget what people used to say for Enma, Oden are literally saving Zoro's ass lmao.
trolls will continue and forever lol.
Even the most famous manga before One Piece : DBZ, the strongest wasn't Goku but his kid Gohan.
Let's take another one, Naruto with Sasuke being on par with the MC when the latter had all powers lol!
Some Zoro fans want Zoro to be Luffy, most of Sanji fans want to be Zoro. But most of Zoro fans want Zoro to be Zoro, so they don't give a limit to Zoro. Why Luffy is the benchmark when Zoro's path is different ? His dream is related to strenght, not to find a treasure so ...
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But let's not forget what people used to say for Enma, Oden are literally saving Zoro's ass lmao.
trolls will continue and forever lol.
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Sanji powerups this arc: Raid suit, Germa exoskeleton, Ifrit Jambe
Zoro powerups this arc: Cutting fire, AdCoC, Enma. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji all got several powerups this arc.
And speaking of asspulls, I'm guessing we are forgetting about Sanji getting germa abilities despite us being told the experiments failed and Zoro skipping CoC and jumping straight into AdCoC. How about Law suddenly having awakening despite never showing it in Dressrosa.
This is a shonen, powerups are given based on the story, not because the Characters merit them. Anyone who's been reading one piece since Ennies lobby shouldn't complain about powerups.
Zoro powerups this arc: Cutting fire, AdCoC, Enma. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji all got several powerups this arc.
And speaking of asspulls, I'm guessing we are forgetting about Sanji getting germa abilities despite us being told the experiments failed and Zoro skipping CoC and jumping straight into AdCoC. How about Law suddenly having awakening despite never showing it in Dressrosa.
This is a shonen, powerups are given based on the story, not because the Characters merit them. Anyone who's been reading one piece since Ennies lobby shouldn't complain about powerups.
No its not hypocrisy to criticize the series but its hypocrisy to enjoying something while your fav character does it and getting mad and call it trash writing while other character does it.
I really thought you will show this face of the fanbases when i first read the title but its a Luffy wank thread. You even show that you hate Zoro in your next comments.
OEkaneki agreeing with you is the worst sign. 🤣🤣
I really thought you will show this face of the fanbases when i first read the title but its a Luffy wank thread. You even show that you hate Zoro in your next comments.
OEkaneki agreeing with you is the worst sign. 🤣🤣
or zoro needs 2v1 for king
There probably is some fanboy wars going on about thus, but I think it’s also fair to say there’s just a broad section of people very… concerned about the fact that it seems the protagonist of 1000 chapters and twenty plus years is suddenly being revealed to have had the power of a super special legendary death-defying DF the whole time.
Like read the AP thread for the chapter if you can- no Luffy vs Zoro stuff, no powerlevel stuff at all, just a big section of fans worried about the route Oda is going with for this.
Like read the AP thread for the chapter if you can- no Luffy vs Zoro stuff, no powerlevel stuff at all, just a big section of fans worried about the route Oda is going with for this.
This feeling I had it from the first arc after sabody. Anyway, future arcs are doom to be extreme asspull with nonsensical plot.
Sad that I have invested to much money into a story for kids, but even the western comics are trash due to political correctness aka wokness.
Nowday, there is no good escaping, I can only appreciate past comics and novels, so fuking sad
Sad that I have invested to much money into a story for kids, but even the western comics are trash due to political correctness aka wokness.
Nowday, there is no good escaping, I can only appreciate past comics and novels, so fuking sad
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Against the common enemy called Sanji fans right?
Don't worry. Sanji fans and Luffy fans are the real bros.
Zoro is more close to Sanji then Luffy in strength, this Is the motto of Sanji and Luffy fans alliance. :cheers:
Luffy
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His Wings
This Is the Power and importance hierarchy
Don't worry. Sanji fans and Luffy fans are the real bros.
Zoro is more close to Sanji then Luffy in strength, this Is the motto of Sanji and Luffy fans alliance. :cheers:
Luffy
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His Wings
This Is the Power and importance hierarchy
This feeling I had it from the first arc after sabody. Anyway, future arcs are doom to be extreme asspull with nonsensical plot.
Sad that I have invested to much money into a story for kids, but even the western comics are trash due to political correctness aka wokness.
Nowday, there is no good escaping, I can only appreciate past comics and novels, so fuking sad
Sad that I have invested to much money into a story for kids, but even the western comics are trash due to political correctness aka wokness.
Nowday, there is no good escaping, I can only appreciate past comics and novels, so fuking sad
Return of Mount Hua Sect (shonen manhwa about martial arts world in the past)
Gosu (shonen manhwa, martial arts world as well)
Money Game, Pie Game (bad art, intricate story)
Friday: Forbidden Tales (same author as pie game. The most disturbing and nihilistic-existentialist whatever manhwa ever imo)
Bastard (modern setting. Manhwa as well)
From magazine 6
"He was not just a swordsman, but a real hero who, 400 years ago in Wano, defied pirates who wanted to plunder the country's resources, and noble families who wanted to control Wano itself, and even slayed a dragon that flew in the sky with a single sword."
I can't translate the japanese, but it like he lived 400 years ago.