Future Events Deep down, Sanji fans wish Sanji would fight Shiryu
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Heat of the supernova and the cold of the absolute zero are destined to fight it out.
Every Sanji fight in the show has been a disappointing joke. I seriously doubt the same will be regarding his most important and final fight in the show.
A better opponent for Sanji doesnt exist.
Kuzan fits the bill in so many ways.
When a Zorotard expects more for Sanjino than Sanji fans, it doesnt look good for Sanjibros...
Every Sanji fight in the show has been a disappointing joke. I seriously doubt the same will be regarding his most important and final fight in the show.
A better opponent for Sanji doesnt exist.
Kuzan fits the bill in so many ways.
When a Zorotard expects more for Sanjino than Sanji fans, it doesnt look good for Sanjibros...
Kuzan is cuul (one of my favs in the series actually) and there's a nice contrast with Sanji there so again like it was with King, I get the appeal, but I'm just being realistic
. Logically it doesn't make sense to me at least not yet. I think you can actually make an argument for Kuzan against current Teach. That is how strong Kuzan is, so you aren't selling me on that dream lol but we can disagree on this ^^Also should be obvious but I obviously disagree with your takes on Sanji's fights :p Cheorgraphy can be improved but don't necessarily dislike all of the main arc opponents Sanji's gotten so far ^^
If your argument is that Kuzan will be Sanji's last opponent in the series (i.e. the final war) then fair enuff but I personally think the clash with Teach and his boys will happen prior to the final war.
Kuzan is cuul (one of my favs in the series actually) and there's a nice contrast with Sanji there so again like it was with King, I get the appeal, but I'm just being realistic. Logically it doesn't make sense to me at least not yet. I think you can actually make an argument for Kuzan against current Teach. That is how strong Kuzan is, so you aren't selling me on that dream lol but we can disagree on this ^^
Also should be obvious but I obviously disagree with your takes on Sanji's fights :p Cheorgraphy can be improved but don't necessarily dislike all of the main arc opponents Sanji's gotten so far ^^
Kuzan is cuul (one of my favs in the series actually) and there's a nice contrast with Sanji there so again like it was with King, I get the appeal, but I'm just being realistic
. Logically it doesn't make sense to me at least not yet. I think you can actually make an argument for Kuzan against current Teach. That is how strong Kuzan is, so you aren't selling me on that dream lol but we can disagree on this ^^Also should be obvious but I obviously disagree with your takes on Sanji's fights :p Cheorgraphy can be improved but don't necessarily dislike all of the main arc opponents Sanji's gotten so far ^^
Shiryu is above Kuzan. Sanji beating third strongest in crew while Zoro beats the second strongest has been the usual formula.
Although I don't think EoS Sanji is enough for Kuzan and Jinbe has taken the number three spot, but we can always pray.
and it tanked pretty well garp's attack, lafitte would have been destroyed imo
If your argument is that Kuzan will be Sanji's last opponent in the series (i.e. the final war) then fair enuff but I personally think the clash with Teach and his boys will happen prior to the final war.
Kuzan is cuul (one of my favs in the series actually) and there's a nice contrast with Sanji there so again like it was with King, I get the appeal, but I'm just being realistic. Logically it doesn't make sense to me at least not yet. I think you can actually make an argument for Kuzan against current Teach. That is how strong Kuzan is, so you aren't selling me on that dream lol but we can disagree on this ^^
Also should be obvious but I obviously disagree with your takes on Sanji's fights :p Cheorgraphy can be improved but don't necessarily dislike all of the main arc opponents Sanji's gotten so far ^^
Kuzan is cuul (one of my favs in the series actually) and there's a nice contrast with Sanji there so again like it was with King, I get the appeal, but I'm just being realistic
. Logically it doesn't make sense to me at least not yet. I think you can actually make an argument for Kuzan against current Teach. That is how strong Kuzan is, so you aren't selling me on that dream lol but we can disagree on this ^^Also should be obvious but I obviously disagree with your takes on Sanji's fights :p Cheorgraphy can be improved but don't necessarily dislike all of the main arc opponents Sanji's gotten so far ^^
Logically, that's where all of Sanji's combat prowess needs to be utilized to its maximum.
Whether we disagree on Sanji's past fights or not, some things are undeniable.
For example, Jabra was only a challenge as long as Sanji didn't pull DJ. After that, he was low diffed.
Queen was never a challenge combat wise to Sanji. The only problem was dealing enough damage.
Once IJ was pulled, it went pretty much the same as Jabra, a couple of hits more but that's it.
Absalom? Low diffed. Wadatsumi? Low diffed. Wanze? Low diffed.
The only decent fight Sanji has ever had was Mr2 and even there, he was done dirty.
Mr2 used Nami's face to get a couple of cheap shots on Sanji...
Do you see what my concern is?
He has never had a fight that drew everything out of him.
Whether you pick Lafitte, Pizzaro or Burgess, none of them will do it either.
I can guarantee it right now for Pizzaro and Burgess, Lafitte is still a blank canvas but I seriously doubt him.
No need to doubt Kuzan. He has everything Sanji's final fight can wish for.
Kicker vs puncher? Check. Heat vs cold? Check. Decent combatant? Check.
Heck, he even checks off the narrative... Whether it ends up being about kidnapping Pudding or going after Robin...
And even Sanji's statement that Marines will fear him the most in the future... What better than beating their ex-FA candidate...
What Mihawk is to Zoro, Kuzan is to Sanji. The alternatives are simply nowhere as good.
I don't think WG war will happen after fight with Blackbeard Pirates. It should be the next thing after Elbaf.
No shit.
Narratively speaking the cook has no business with an Admiral, even now he can't breathe the same air as a top tier for more than 2 seconds, just enough time for them to acknowledge his presence and one tap him so that leaves him with a group of jesters of which they've discarded pretty much everyone after seeing their performances against Ace, Magellan, Sabo, Boa, Law and his stooges, Aokiji, Garp and even Coby.
And of course they know what fighting Shiryu entails, everytime Zoro got a haki upgrade
Mr1 - CoA
Kaku - Asura
King - conqueror's coating
The cook got
Bon Clay - nothing
Jabra - diable jambe
Wano/Queen - Raid Suit/ scientific enhancements
This is going to be conqueror's haki begging all over again "if Zoro gets something then my hero gets it too, Oda said so and Zoro is not the MC, retard!"
Narratively speaking the cook has no business with an Admiral, even now he can't breathe the same air as a top tier for more than 2 seconds, just enough time for them to acknowledge his presence and one tap him so that leaves him with a group of jesters of which they've discarded pretty much everyone after seeing their performances against Ace, Magellan, Sabo, Boa, Law and his stooges, Aokiji, Garp and even Coby.
And of course they know what fighting Shiryu entails, everytime Zoro got a haki upgrade
Mr1 - CoA
Kaku - Asura
King - conqueror's coating
The cook got
Bon Clay - nothing
Jabra - diable jambe
Wano/Queen - Raid Suit/ scientific enhancements
This is going to be conqueror's haki begging all over again "if Zoro gets something then my hero gets it too, Oda said so and Zoro is not the MC, retard!"
If the battle against the BB Pirates is indeed the SHs last battle in the series then I’m in agreement that Sanji v Aokiji is feasible. Get where you’re coming from with regard to Sanji’s fights and it’s a fair observation. From that perspective, yes Aokiji is the best fit simply bcoz of how powerful and well balanced he is.
Also agree on Pizarro & Burgess 💀 but I’m optimistic about Lafitte ^^. Pre-ts he was able to casually evade Ace’s fire-fist which took out all of the other BB pirates so he looks pretty competent in CQC. He could also potentially be a mythical Zoan (my prediction is fallen angel) which would be a nice contrast to Sanji’s devil theme. Not to mention he’s intelligent and also has mind control hax, so he’s still my personal pick from the BB pirates as I’m of the view that the confrontation with the BB Pirates will happen prior to the final war but I can see where you’re coming from now 🫂
Also agree on Pizarro & Burgess 💀 but I’m optimistic about Lafitte ^^. Pre-ts he was able to casually evade Ace’s fire-fist which took out all of the other BB pirates so he looks pretty competent in CQC. He could also potentially be a mythical Zoan (my prediction is fallen angel) which would be a nice contrast to Sanji’s devil theme. Not to mention he’s intelligent and also has mind control hax, so he’s still my personal pick from the BB pirates as I’m of the view that the confrontation with the BB Pirates will happen prior to the final war but I can see where you’re coming from now 🫂
I think Sanji vs Aikoji and Shiryuu vs Zoro is like kind of opposite of thier battles in Onigashima so i find this match up highly likely. Of course Aikoji stronger then King while Shiryuu is also stronger then Queen and that also makes sense since Blackbeards also stronger then Kaido.
In my opinion Shanks will be beaten by royal knights and Gorosei in raftel but i believe Buggys crew will also go down with him while gandhi beats Mihawk. Sanjis gorosei opponent will probably be Shanks father moon hair guy.
Gandhi probably has death Devil fruit while Shanks father has some kind of moon powers which i am not sure about can be ice or time stop etc...
People think Sanji can't fight Aikoji because they think Shiryuu is weak but he is based on Oden so he is in the same league with Aikoji with his DF and cursed sword. I assume Sanji will awaken Kings haki against Aikoji which will be nice.
In my opinion Shanks will be beaten by royal knights and Gorosei in raftel but i believe Buggys crew will also go down with him while gandhi beats Mihawk. Sanjis gorosei opponent will probably be Shanks father moon hair guy.
Gandhi probably has death Devil fruit while Shanks father has some kind of moon powers which i am not sure about can be ice or time stop etc...
People think Sanji can't fight Aikoji because they think Shiryuu is weak but he is based on Oden so he is in the same league with Aikoji with his DF and cursed sword. I assume Sanji will awaken Kings haki against Aikoji which will be nice.
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I would agree if this was a look back at King in Wano or something but I don't think people are competing for Shiryu.
He's a formidable swordsman willing to be underhanded to get the drop and if his haki is really amazing could make for a good Zoro fight, but Sanji already faced Absalom and one of his current abilities is to move so fast his opponent fails to see him, why would Sanjibros be dying for another invisible opponent, especially when Sanji himself vanishes?
Shiryu will be stronger than Sanji's arc opponent (I'm still rooting for Pizarro but Laffitte is cool too) but not more fitting for Sanji.
I really like the way you back up your thoughts even if I don't agree.
He's a formidable swordsman willing to be underhanded to get the drop and if his haki is really amazing could make for a good Zoro fight, but Sanji already faced Absalom and one of his current abilities is to move so fast his opponent fails to see him, why would Sanjibros be dying for another invisible opponent, especially when Sanji himself vanishes?
Shiryu will be stronger than Sanji's arc opponent (I'm still rooting for Pizarro but Laffitte is cool too) but not more fitting for Sanji.
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I really like the way you back up your thoughts even if I don't agree.
"All of Sanji's opponents fight using tricks and deceit".
Among the Blackbeard Pirates, that description fits Shiryu the most. Shiryu's Suke Suke screams deceit like how he sneakily attacked Moria. And his dirty way of fighting was highlighted again with Garp.
He realized Coby showed brief opening, then quickly decided to target Coby in order to bait Garp sacrificing himself. When did Lafitte or Pizzaro ever showing this level of cunning trick? Never.
Forget his DF, not only he tricked Magellan but Shiryu also made his debut tricking Impel Down officers who believed he was at their side. He didn't kill the guards from the get go, instead he asked for cigarette, lit it, Impel Down guards kinda lowered their guard and cut the den den mushi off, and only then Shiryu blitzed and killed them all.
Deep down Sanji fans wished Sanji would fight Shiryu. Just like how they wished Sanji to fight Katakuri at WCI because both are "CoO specialists". Or when they wished Sanji to fight King because both can flying. Now deep down they wish Sanji to fight Shiryu, because let's be honest. Who else got hyped fighting against that Pizzaro loser who Blackbeard kept berating, or Lafitte the skinny bum that never really hyped powerlevel wise. And vice versa, who else not get hyped fighting someone confirmed stronger than Aokiji? Not counting Aokiji, nobody even knows who Blackbeard's third strongest actually is, that should tell how underwhelming the third strongest is. As much as underwhelming Queen and Smoothie are, at least Oda made it clear they are still the third strongest.
And then colorspread happened.
They can't push Sanji vs Shiryu agenda anymore because it will only make them look like clowns bigger than they already have.
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"But but Lafitte's portrayal is using cunning trick. He used trick to open the gate of justice"
Yeah not hyped for this BS. It is comparable feat to what Brook did in WCI: sneakily broke Mother Carmel's photo when everyone else was distracted.
Lafitte is built as Brook's opponent, being skinny and uses cane like sword. Not sure why Sanji fans pretend to hype this bum, is post TS Sanji that underwhelming now you want Sanji to beat Brook's level of opponent?
Among the Blackbeard Pirates, that description fits Shiryu the most. Shiryu's Suke Suke screams deceit like how he sneakily attacked Moria. And his dirty way of fighting was highlighted again with Garp.
He realized Coby showed brief opening, then quickly decided to target Coby in order to bait Garp sacrificing himself. When did Lafitte or Pizzaro ever showing this level of cunning trick? Never.
Forget his DF, not only he tricked Magellan but Shiryu also made his debut tricking Impel Down officers who believed he was at their side. He didn't kill the guards from the get go, instead he asked for cigarette, lit it, Impel Down guards kinda lowered their guard and cut the den den mushi off, and only then Shiryu blitzed and killed them all.
Deep down Sanji fans wished Sanji would fight Shiryu. Just like how they wished Sanji to fight Katakuri at WCI because both are "CoO specialists". Or when they wished Sanji to fight King because both can flying. Now deep down they wish Sanji to fight Shiryu, because let's be honest. Who else got hyped fighting against that Pizzaro loser who Blackbeard kept berating, or Lafitte the skinny bum that never really hyped powerlevel wise. And vice versa, who else not get hyped fighting someone confirmed stronger than Aokiji? Not counting Aokiji, nobody even knows who Blackbeard's third strongest actually is, that should tell how underwhelming the third strongest is. As much as underwhelming Queen and Smoothie are, at least Oda made it clear they are still the third strongest.
And then colorspread happened.
They can't push Sanji vs Shiryu agenda anymore because it will only make them look like clowns bigger than they already have.
Be honest. Admit it. @Sir Yasheen @Doggo @Infitima @Embers Kaios @Jackteo @BillSlipton @Julius
@nik87 @L57 @Orojackson Refugee @Cruxroux
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"But but Lafitte's portrayal is using cunning trick. He used trick to open the gate of justice"
Yeah not hyped for this BS. It is comparable feat to what Brook did in WCI: sneakily broke Mother Carmel's photo when everyone else was distracted.
Lafitte is built as Brook's opponent, being skinny and uses cane like sword. Not sure why Sanji fans pretend to hype this bum, is post TS Sanji that underwhelming now you want Sanji to beat Brook's level of opponent?