Controversial Did Luffy's punches hurt Kizaru? Official translations conflicting interpretations

[Herrera95]

In the portuguese official version, Luffy also speaks in "plural":

"Vocês" is a term used to adress multiple people.

"Vão" is also used to adress multiple people, Luffy should use "vais" if he only wanted to adress a singular person.

Now, I don't know much about Japanese, but in Portuguese it looks like Luffy adresses both.

I can confirm this.

Also he says in first panel "Even being beaten so much nothing works" addressing to both of them.

 

[Blahmigooo]

It's obvious he's talking about Saturn specifically.
Oda emphasises on Saturn ability to recover from any damage he received and try to convey this to it's readers about what to worry about Saturn power.
He punch Saturn several times while he only touch Kizaru two times( one flatted him on the ground as long as Luffy recovering his stamina)

In this same chapter, Kizaru was send flying and hit the Battleship (Left panel)
Meanwhile Saturn isn't even hitting battleship and quickly recover while still in the air (Bottom right)and bounce back to Luffy.
Then Luffy continue his words of frustration of being unable to do damage on Saturn NOT Kizaru.

 

[Oliver]

Given that he already clapped Kizaru once before and Saturn regened a whole arm, it's quite clear he was talking about Saturn only.

Kizaru is officially mid diff material for luffy and the french can't save you.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

It's pretty clear that Luffy only really meant Saturn there. See here:

Right after the line about seeing whether he'll bounce back from Dawn Cymbal, he then says "HOW COME NOTHING I DO DAMAGES HIM?!", not even "them", but "him".
And that's obviously addressing Saturn only.
So you think of it this way, doesn't it make more sense that he's referencing Saturn only?

Dude we are talking about THIS

He literally says "If you keep coming back no matter what I do ima throw you away" and then throws BOTH of them away! In what world does it make sense to deny official translations and acting like it makes sense he only meant one of the two - thats maximum cope and its ridiculous you dont even realize it.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Dude we are talking about THIS

He literally says "If you keep coming back no matter what I do ima throw you away" and then throws BOTH of them away! In what world does it make sense to deny official translations and acting like it makes sense he only meant one of the two - thats maximum cope and its ridiculous you dont even realize it.

Dude, you can't even read German.
This is ridiculous. He obviously means Saturn, he just made Kizaru cough blood last chapter.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

That's wrong, but I don't see how Luffy being able to hurt Kizaru would make this even come close to being true.
So I have no idea why Admiral fans want Kizaru to tank these hits.

Its basically just a confirmation for what should be obvious: Kizaru is laying on the ground not because of the damage.

People act like Kizaru is defeated now while in reality Luffy himself admitted he just threw him away as far as he could since he couldnt defeat him.

"If you keep coming back no matter what I do" is admitting your attacks so far didnt work on him, if you take it literally it even means nothing you are capable to do is working on him.

 

[Herrera95]

In the portuguese official version, Luffy also speaks in "plural":

"Vocês" is a term used to adress multiple people.

"Vão" is also used to adress multiple people, Luffy should use "vais" if he only wanted to adress a singular person.

Now, I don't know much about Japanese, but in Portuguese it looks like Luffy adresses both.

I can confirm this.

Also first panel says something like "Even getting beaten too much nothing works, right?"

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

Dude, you can't even read German.
This is ridiculous. He obviously means Saturn, he just made Kizaru cough blood last chapter.

Bro you embarrass yourself at this point. I am german... "euch" is the plural version of you.

 

[MarineHQ]

Ashigara palm from half dead Wentoumaru did the same amount of total damage that two rounds of Gear 5, aCoC WSG, Dawn cymbal, Giant mode and a CoA punch to the face have done to the Admiral that specialises in speed and likely has the worst durability (since Kuzan is a brawler).

This makes Garp’s AP look way better. Look how Kuzan looked like.

Maybe Old Garp vs Luffy needs a bump too

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Its basically just a confirmation for what should be obvious: Kizaru is laying on the ground not because of the damage.

People act like Kizaru is defeated now while in reality Luffy himself admitted he just threw him away as far as he could since he couldnt defeat him.

"If you keep coming back no matter what I do" is admitting your attacks so far didnt work on him, if you take it literally it even means nothing you are capable to do is working on him.

He would have said this anyway, because again, Saturn's just regenerating from everything he's hit by completely.
When Luffy thinks he hasn't affected someone, he usually tries harder to damage them, which he didn't even care to do with Kizaru as instead of using another Star Gun level move he used an unnamed attack with only Armament on his fist.
Meanwhile, with every other opponent (look at the Seraphim fight, the Kaidou fight, his fights with Doflamingo Cracker and Katakuri, etc.), he always works his way up through his forms to see which ones can affect his opponent.
Once he realized certain G5 attacks can hurt Kizaru enough, he never tried harder than that, where as with people like Kaidou he kept trying harder and harder, doing things like throwing lightning and growing in his stomach and even trying to blind him.

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Ashigara palm from half dead Wentoumaru did the same amount of total damage that two rounds of Gear 5, aCoC WSG, Giant mode and a CoA punch to the face have done to the Admiral that specialises in speed and likely has the worst durability (since Kuzan is a brawler).

This makes Garp’s AP look way better. Look how Kuzan looked like.

Maybe Old Garp vs Luffy needs a bump too

This guy makes some clean color edits.

 

[JoNdule]

Ashigara palm from half dead Wentoumaru did the same amount of total damage that two rounds of Gear 5, aCoC WSG, Giant mode and a CoA punch to the face have done to the Admiral that specialises in speed and likely has the worst durability (since Kuzan is a brawler).

This makes Garp’s AP look way better. Look how Kuzan looked like.

Maybe Old Garp vs Luffy needs a bump too

Yeah old garp look better because kuzan bleeding

Luffy had kizaru seeing stars and frozen on the floor for 5-10min
Then did the same again

Old Garp AP is so high that he couldn't KO all the fodders in a small square
Pizarro tanking his ultimate move even

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yeah old garp look better because kuzan bleeding

Luffy had kizaru seeing stars and frozen on the floor for 5-10min
Then did the same again

Old Garp AP is so high that he couldn't KO all the fodders in a small square
Pizarro tanking his ultimate move even

A while ago he and the others were saying Garp wasn't making Kuzan bleed. Dude's so desperate to prove Luffy didn't damage Kizaru that he's actually admitting Garp hurt Kuzan for it.

 

[MarineHQ]

Yeah old garp look better because kuzan bleeding

Luffy had kizaru seeing stars and frozen on the floor for 5-10min
Then did the same again

Old Garp AP is so high that he couldn't KO all the fodders in a small square
Pizarro tanking his ultimate move even

Blah Blah Blah

Call me when Gear 5 aCoC Giant Mode Luffy can make Kizaru with inferior durability to Kuzan look the same.

Old Garp > Gear 5 Luffy > Rocks duo.

 

[trav]

Filler arc with no relevance.
Oda could write a short text where he drops the facts and skip the rest.

 

[Moegara]

Blah Blah Blah

Call me when Gear 5 aCoC Giant Mode Luffy can make Kizaru with inferior durability to Kuzan look the same.

Old Garp > Gear 5 Luffy > Rocks duo.

Are people arguing Gear 5 Luffy can't injure Kizaru now? Do you guys believe he has better durability than Kaido? This is something else.

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

Are people arguing Gear 5 Luffy can't injure Kizaru now? Do you guys believe he has better durability than Kaido? This is something else.

No, its just about that Luffy himself admitted his attacks so far didnt work on him which 1) debunks everyone who was trying to say Luffy defeated Kizaru and anything in that direction, 2) confirms that Kizaru has high durability (which is something we also saw so just a confirmation for deniers) and 3) that Kizaru is laying on the ground for other reasons (which should also be clear to anyone but Yankers since Kizaru isnt visually damaged at all and covers his eyes).

Edit: If you take it literally you could even argue Luffy admitted there is nothing he is capable to do that would defeat/stop Kizaru. But thats far stretched and not the point. The point is confirmation of what Admiral fans were saying the past months and Yonko fans acted like we were coping.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No, its just about that Luffy himself admitted his attacks so far didnt work on him which 1) debunks everyone who was trying to say Luffy defeated Kizaru and anything in that direction, 2) confirms that Kizaru has high durability (which is something we also saw so just a confirmation for deniers) and 3) that Kizaru is laying on the ground for other reasons (which should also be clear to anyone but Yankers since Kizaru isnt visually damaged at all and covers his eyes).

Edit: If you take it literally you could even argue Luffy admitted there is nothing he is capable to do that would defeat/stop Kizaru. But thats far stretched and not the point. The point is confirmation of what Admiral fans were saying the past months and Yonko fans acted like we were coping.

Kizaru literally said he couldn't move the first time Luffy hit him with a serious attack. Denying what Kizaru himself said is just a sad attempt at coping about it.

 

[Veku]

Ashigara palm from half dead Wentoumaru did the same amount of total damage that two rounds of Gear 5, aCoC WSG, Dawn cymbal, Giant mode and a CoA punch to the face have done to the Admiral that specialises in speed and likely has the worst durability (since Kuzan is a brawler).

This makes Garp’s AP look way better. Look how Kuzan looked like.

Maybe Old Garp vs Luffy needs a bump too

Imagine Prime Garp

 

[Kiiro]

Admirals fans are better than Sanji or zoro fans.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Where are the battle damages?

Kizaru looks as clean as when he entered Egghead, even his suit is dirtless lmao.
Now compare with Kuzan after taking Garp punches or Sanji cheek this chapter still bloody from Kizaru's kick.
Luffy's healing punches aren't doing shit. Kizaru only struggle is against himself.