Questions & Mysteries Did the last 2 chapters change your view about the Final Villain?

Did the last 2 chapters change your view about the Final Villain of One Piece?

  • Yes it did

    Votes: 16 17.6%
  • No it didn't

    Votes: 55 60.4%
  • Not sure / Undecided

    Votes: 20 22.0%

  • Total voters
    91
#83
The World Gov as final villains needs Imu and the Gorosei to be the most powerful six people in the world.
It's clear the strongest organization are going to be final villain.

Marines + SSG + WG> Blackbeard Pirates

Blackbeard has already made it clear he wants to become pirate king.




The World Government is the only thing holding luffy back from having absolute freedom and joy in the world. BB isn't.
 
#84
Oda gave Xebec an ambition beyond the pirate king. Xebec aimed to be the king of the world. Now we have a major antagonist who took Xebec's island, named his ship Saber of Xebec and gathered a crew of famous pirates similar to Xebec =>

Its no coincidence that Blackbeard's hobby is history research (revealed during Zou arc) while Rocks broke many world's taboos. There are too many hints to safely say that Blackbeard is following Xebec's footsteps and aiming for the empty throne at Marijoa. Just like Luffy inherited Gol D Roger's will, Blackbeard has inherited Rocks D Xebec's will. Blackbeard did tell Ace, he has plans to be the pirate king. However, he also said at MF, "I feel like I can control the world" which fits more with Xebec's ambition to be the king of the world =>

There is a higher possibility of Imu getting a Jewelry Bonney treatment from Blackbeard than Blackbeard being a one arc villain like Kaido/Big Mom before the grand finale.





Give up on your dream of Akainu being Luffy's final opponent, its not happening
Rent free?
 
#85
It's clear the strongest organization are going to be final villain.

Marines + SSG + WG> Blackbeard Pirates
First of all you are overestimating the marines, look at Marco's portrayal in Marineford battle and look at him at Wano, despite having Luffy, Samurai, and Kid, Law etc at his side, while Marco did a lot of impressive stuff at Wano, he was still more influential in marineford, which shows the level difference.

And secondly ;

That's only ''If'' Oda doesn't give more power and alliances (such as when Aokiji joined him) to Blackbeard only then that equation might be true. Assuming that BB pirates will stay as they are, and not getting more powerful.

We know BB was always one step ahead of Luffy during the series. Once Luffy does something, BB also does something more. If Luffy is going to defeat Kaido, then BB needs to do something impressive as well before they face with each other.

Even Kaido joined forces with Big mom, so Oda made it clear that if not for Luffy, Kaido and Big mom together could conquer the world. It's a very low possibility that Blackbeard won't have at least same level power that Kaido had. Plus, if Blackbeard succeeds on what he was on planning right now, if he defeats the marines and gets what he wants (could be an ancient weapon) then that will weaken the marines a lot and it will make the BB pirates more powerful than even Kaido and Big mom alliance.

Blackbeard has already made it clear he wants to become pirate king.




The World Government is the only thing holding luffy back from having absolute freedom and joy in the world. BB isn't.
He literally says he wants to ''conquer the world'' in the previous panel before saying he wants to be the PK.

While Luffy made it clear that he doesn't want to conquer anything.



So they have very different views about what the Pirate King should be.
 
#87
Now with Imu obliterating an island with what is supposedly Uranus or an entity commanded by Uranus, which is Imu, people got heated, saying everything is fodder to Imu, even prime Blackbeard.

However, on a second thought, I think it's still arguable, as we don't know the scope or limitations of Uranus, how casually it can be utilized and at what cost for the user. With Imu him- or herself probably not being a powerful warrior but just the one commanding an ancient weapon whose limitations are not yet clear to us.

We know Xebec aimed for being the King of the World, with Imu not immediately stepping in but having Garp teaming up with Roger to "protect the Celestial Dragons". God Valley was only cleaned afterwards (apparently without harming any crew). Blackbeard seems to follow Xebec's path, is a D too, the Vivre Card says he is interested in exploring history, he is even unique as the first one to have consumed 2 DFs, a third one possibly coming too, while Imu him- or herself also parallels Blackbeard with Luffy, holding both their posters and tearing them apart of annoyance, and with Luffy becoming basically Nika, it stands to reason that Blackbeard too will have an important role rather than just being fodderized and removed in the middle by Luffy himself, without becoming a legitimate threat to the WG and Imu.
 
#88
Blackbeard will not be the final villain; it's about time you give up wishful thinking that will never happen

In most Battle Shonen work, final enemy have 3 common criteria:

  1. They're stronger than any previous foe or at least comparable to the MC
  2. They usually have antagonistic history with the MC
  3. They're the thematically opposed to the MC
The final part isn't always the case, but it's usually common.

BB doesn't succeed any criteria:

  1. He's weaker than Kaido who Luffy bested, and 1059 confirms Prime Rayleigh would also beat BB and his crew. As it stands, BB can't even beat Current Luffy let alone EOS
  2. BB doesn't have any antagonistic history with Luffy at any point in the manga
  3. Now this is a plus point for BB, but every villain Luffy fought was thematically opposed to him, so it doesn't mean much anyway

Now as for Imu:

  1. He/she is a wild card; we don't know if they are a strong fighter (could be another Spandam/Orochi, and we know how much Oda loves recycling formulas)
  2. Imu has no history with Luffy at all
  3. The theme is there but as I said before, every villain Luffy fought is always oppressing an island so there is nothing unique about Imu' thematic
Which only leaves us with Akainu being the only solid proof of final villain.

  1. Strength? We know Oda says Akainu can end OP in one year only as a testament of his might and his feats speak for themselves. Plus, he's the leader of the strongest military force that have chased the Straw Hats before they were up against pirates
  2. Akainu killed the closest person to Luffy in front of his eyes. Luffy hates Akainu so much that hearing his name fires up his scar, and we know the symbolic significance of scars in OP (Shanks/BB & Kaido/Oden)
  3. Akainu personifies obedience which thematically is opposed to freedom
 
#89
Blackbeard will not be the final villain; it's about time you give up wishful thinking that will never happen

In most Battle Shonen work, final enemy have 3 common criteria:

  1. They're stronger than any previous foe or at least comparable to the MC
  2. They usually have antagonistic history with the MC
  3. They're the thematically opposed to the MC
The final part isn't always the case, but it's usually common.

BB doesn't succeed any criteria:

  1. He's weaker than Kaido who Luffy bested, and 1059 confirms Prime Rayleigh would also beat BB and his crew. As it stands, BB can't even beat Current Luffy let alone EOS
  2. BB doesn't have any antagonistic history with Luffy at any point in the manga
  3. Now this is a plus point for BB, but every villain Luffy fought was thematically opposed to him, so it doesn't mean much anyway

Now as for Imu:

  1. He/she is a wild card; we don't know if they are a strong fighter (could be another Spandam/Orochi, and we know how much Oda loves recycling formulas)
  2. Imu has no history with Luffy at all
  3. The theme is there but as I said before, every villain Luffy fought is always oppressing an island so there is nothing unique about Imu' thematic
Which only leaves us with Akainu being the only solid proof of final villain.

  1. Strength? We know Oda says Akainu can end OP in one year only as a testament of his might and his feats speak for themselves. Plus, he's the leader of the strongest military force that have chased the Straw Hats before they were up against pirates
  2. Akainu killed the closest person to Luffy in front of his eyes. Luffy hates Akainu so much that hearing his name fires up his scar, and we know the symbolic significance of scars in OP (Shanks/BB & Kaido/Oden)
  3. Akainu personifies obedience which thematically is opposed to freedom
BB is still growing in power tho? He can absorb DF powers and constantly become more powerful. BB is also the one who wrecked Drum Kingdom and the one who captured Ace, leading to Marineford incident and Ace's death, he has obvious antagonistic theme against Luffy. Impel Down meeting between Luffy and Blackbeard showed it. His declaration in Marineford about this being his age also can be a sign of being one of Luffy's main villain.

Of course Akainu have these opposition themes and strength themes as well. It's just i think that Luffy vs BB is a more of polar opposites chasing the same throne (PK) compared to Luffy vs Akainu (Pirate King vs Marine King), especially since Imu, the ultimate domination figure, is introduced.
 
#93
Maybe the Yami Yami no Mi can shut down ancient weapons, since ancient weapons, more strictly speaking, are individuals with the power to command powers of mass destruction, which is the case at least for Poseidon and Uranus.

:risicheck:
 
#95
nah BB isn't the final, it was always wg/marines lol.
First of all, nice try sneaking in the Marines, when it's the inner circle or the top of the WG, more precisely Imu who poses as the king of the world and his direct servants. Secondly, there is no clear line portrayed as for who is the end villain. We have Imu, we have Luffy as the anti thesis Joyboy, but we also have Blackbeard, who continues in Xebec's spirit, who wanted to become King of the world, who also is a D, unique in his ability to utilize multiple DFs and with Imu holding the pictures of both Luffy and Blackbeard as to imply that both hold similar significance to him.
 
#96
First of all, nice try sneaking in the Marines, when it's the inner circle or the top of the WG, more precisely Imu who poses as the king of the world and his direct servants. Secondly, there is no clear line portrayed as for who is the end villain. We have Imu, we have Luffy as the anti thesis Joyboy, but we also have Blackbeard, who continues in Xebec's spirit, who wanted to become King of the world, who also is a D, unique in his ability to utilize multiple DFs and with Imu holding the pictures of both Luffy and Blackbeard as to imply that both hold similar significance to him.
Nice try try sneaking in blackbeard, akainu has a better chance then him.

BB wants to become PK, its happening before marines/wg




Wdym tryna sneak marines in there? unless you're just a outright coper and marine hater, 1060 literally stated going into mary jeios will lead into MHQ battle.

To get to im you'd have to deal with mhq.
 
#98
--Chance of akainu being final villain is close to zero. Sure he can be a major villain at Eos

--50/50 Between Imu and BB but Imu represents 700 years of domination of WG. Kidd even says CDs are worse than pirates. The bigger story is about joyboy i.e. Luffy liberating the world which is controlled by WG i.e. Imu

--No matter how powerful BB gets he can't represent 700 years of tyranny. Even if he gets in a position where he has uranus and ultimate power and a threat to a world itself it will be momentary. WG having reined and dominated for years and years. Even if BB becomes the final villain he won't have the impact of WG and imu but we shall see
 
#99
--Chance of akainu being final villain is close to zero. Sure he can be a major villain at Eos

--50/50 Between Imu and BB but Imu represents 700 years of domination of WG. Kidd even says CDs are worse than pirates. The bigger story is about joyboy i.e. Luffy liberating the world which is controlled by WG i.e. Imu

--No matter how powerful BB gets he can't represent 700 years of tyranny. Even if he gets in a position where he has uranus and ultimate power and a threat to a world itself it will be momentary. WG having reined and dominated for years and years. Even if BB becomes the final villain he won't have the impact of WG and imu but we shall see
BB being the final villain is literally 0%


A pirate crew does not compare to the largest organzation lol.
 
Nice try try sneaking in blackbeard, akainu has a better chance then him.

BB wants to become PK, its happening before marines/wg




Wdym tryna sneak marines in there? unless you're just a outright coper and marine hater, 1060 literally stated going into mary jeios will lead into MHQ battle.

To get to im you'd have to deal with mhq.
I still think Laugh Tale is the final arc, so imo that would mean Blackbeard is the final villain
 
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