Character Discussion Did Whitebeard really intend to make Ace the Pirate King ?

[Buusatan94]

Something that Sengoku, as well as Squardo after having been deceived by Akainu, have done about Whitebeard is that he intended to make Ace the Pirate King and that it was the reason why he was so attached to Ace.

But how much of this is true ? Do you think that Whitebeard really planned to make Ace the Pirate King, or was it something that he hoped to see happening though without forcing Ace's choice to do it, or did he wish for something else for Ace ? What are your thoughts and ideas ?

 

[Dark-Abel]

Yes

 

[nik87]

I dont recall any statements about this from Whitebeard himself but considering he was aware his days are numbered and decided not to return alive from Marineford, it is not a stretch to say he wanted to leave it all to Ace.
PK requires poneglyphs and someone who can read them and Whitebeard did nothing about that so the counter argument is valid as well. Would lean to this as well.

 

[PortgasDMor]

I think Whitebeard knew that Roger intended for Ace to follow in his footsteps, he knew that genetically, Ace had potential. He knew he was bound for greatness and wanted to allow him that if Ace chose this path. But I don't think he wanted to make him do anything against his will, like Garp was trying to.

If anything, I think Roger was the one trying to pave Ace's way to Laughtale regardless of how he would feel about it. He made Ace in his last year of living, after returning from Laughtale, knowing he would not live to see what happens in 20 years. Obviously he planned for Ace to be there in his stead. He made sure Ace would be protected, he told some secret to Shanks, and later on Shanks stole the Nika fruit and brought it to Dawn island where Ace was. I think that Roger asked Shanks to bring to fruit to Ace, but the fruit itself chose Luffy instead.
No wonder Ace Resented Roger. He wished to be free, not to walk in any path dictated either by Garp or Roger. And only Whitebeard gave him that.

 

[Roo]

Yes, Ace was next in line to lead the new era. It’s why WB saw Luffy when Ace died and thought about the one joyboy and Roger were waiting for

 

[Kiiro]

Mmm yes... Whitebeard and everyone said it.

With the knowledge of Whitebeard knowing that Roger was waiting for a "D" to find the one piece, Whitebeard thought it was Ace and really wanted him to be PK to the level to give his life in order to safe Ace.

 

[Just a member]

Yrs, it is extremely likely, it is romantic to the point it is used quite often when there is the chance (train the son of your former dead rival/friend to be the new hero/champion, even if it requires some peculiar setup to arrive here).

On one hand it is pretty logic: WB loved Ace as a son, as all the others (maybe even more since he started the war and knew he would lose a ton if other sons yet there was also the iron policy of not touching WB crew otherwise you are in deep trouble), he was young and strong even if hotblooded, WB knew his origin and that he would become another monster like Roger (but this is secondary since WB didn't look at this stuff like a Kaido or BM could do, just look for the strong).

But the point imo is that when there is the flashback where Roger asks WB if he wants to know where the OP is he doesn't give a damn about it but instead wants to know what the D. means and that is the key imo. That is something really important to the point that those are WB last words "BB you are not the one Roger was waiting" intending the D. Roger was waiting wasn't BB, Roger for sure believed that that chosen D. would have been his son and so did WB (but fo course it was Luffy all along) and on top of that he was doing a service to his rival/friend (best friend in a way you can say, their relation since they were equals can probably be compared to something like Naruto and Sasuke instead of crap like Luffy and Law or Kidd where clearly Luffy is the stronger one, that is/was also part of the charm of the Zoro Luffy relation but now with Nika there isn't much to discuss anymore).

 

[Kiiro]

Yrs, it is extremely likely, it is romantic to the point it is used quite often when there is the chance (train the son of your former dead rival/friend to be the new hero/champion, even if it requires some peculiar setup to arrive here).

On one hand it is pretty logic: WB loved Ace as a son, as all the others (maybe even more since he started the war and knew he would lose a ton if other sons yet there was also the iron policy of not touching WB crew otherwise you are in deep trouble), he was young and strong even if hotblooded, WB knew his origin and that he would become another monster like Roger (but this is secondary since WB didn't look at this stuff like a Kaido or BM could do, just look for the strong).

But the point imo is that when there is the flashback where Roger asks WB if he wants to know where the OP is he doesn't give a damn about it but instead wants to know what the D. means and that is the key imo. That is something really important to the point that those are WB last words "BB you are not the one Roger was waiting" intending the D. Roger was waiting wasn't BB, Roger for sure believed that that chosen D. would have been his son and so did WB (but fo course it was Luffy all along) and on top of that he was doing a service to his rival/friend (best friend in a way you can say, their relation since they were equals can probably be compared to something like Naruto and Sasuke instead of crap like Luffy and Law or Kidd where clearly Luffy is the stronger one, that is/was also part of the charm of the Zoro Luffy relation but now with Nika there isn't much to discuss anymore).

I somehow really dont even think its Luffy, he might find the one piece, but he isnt also the chosen one, its Dragon.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It'd be logical for him to assume it's Ace. He's a Conqueror as well as a D. just like his father.

 

[Dragon777]

I don't think he wanted precisely that and Just Ace and not someone different.

It's just that Ace was destinated to be one of the big players of the OP world, contrary to everyone else.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Whitebeard apparently didn’t know that Ace was Roger’s son before going out to beat him up after he fought Jimbe.
It might just be a case of serendipity. WB saw his potential, and it’s possible that he saw Roger’s son being the one to lead the next generation and carry on his will.

 

[Just a member]

I somehow really dont even think its Luffy, he might find the one piece, but he isnt also the chosen one, its Dragon.

That would be a touch of quality (if well executed) that imo we can not expect from One piece anymore. Also I think that at this point Luffy has been proven as the chosen one beyond any reasonable doubt (after he awakened the mythical ancient zoan god of legend devil fruit that everybody either expects, the people, or fears, the corrupted and evil WG). Oda will keep making a story that stays in the standards of shounens without trying to go out (since it is also selling very well as historical records) and risk to lose what he has (basically why every remake of a movie never tries something original but just tries to stay in the track of the old movies, for example the new star wars just had a bugger black death, recycled Palpatine as a villain etc. etc.)

 

[kekaro]

Probably not some 9000 IQ plan the moment he laid eyes upon him but he figured it probably out early that he is rogers son

You can interpret that, or you can interpret he wanted to protect ace, that's what makes such characters fun

 

[Kiiro]

That would be a touch of quality (if well executed) that imo we can not expect from One piece anymore. Also I think that at this point Luffy has been proven as the chosen one beyond any reasonable doubt (after he awakened the mythical ancient zoan god of legend devil fruit that everybody either expects, the people, or fears, the corrupted and evil WG). Oda will keep making a story that stays in the standards of shounens without trying to go out (since it is also selling very well as historical records) and risk to lose what he has (basically why every remake of a movie never tries something original but just tries to stay in the track of the old movies, for example the new star wars just had a bugger black death, recycled Palpatine as a villain etc. etc.)

Yeah. It seems Luffy. But why do I think this?

Because, Luffy doesnt want to save no one, he doesn't want be a hero said since Alabasta, he just helps if he is there, while Dragon is the person doing plan (which we dont know) to go against the WG.

 

[park_min young]

I think he knows that Ace will someday lead the WBP due to his potential. Ace also wanted to be PK from the beginning anyways as I recall. WB did’t really force him anything.

 

[Dragon777]

I think he knows that Ace will someday lead the WBP due to his potential. Ace also wanted to be PK from the beginning anyways as I recall. WB did’t really force him anything.

Exaclty.
Ace was one of his children. It was just that he was the only one with a clear, true potential for the future. But it's not like he made plans for It.

 

[PortgasDMor]

Ace also wanted to be PK from the beginning anyways

No, he did not. He wanted to be as free as he could, and leave his mark on the world so that people will acknowledge him as a great pirate. But he hated Roger since childhood, and blamed him for leaving him nothing but a notorious name he could not present himself with. He never wanted to follow in his father's footsteps.

 

[Just a member]

Yeah. It seems Luffy. But why do I think this?

Because, Luffy doesnt want to save no one, he doesn't want be a hero said since Alabasta, he just helps if he is there, while Dragon is the person doing plan (which we dont know) to go against the WG.

Luffy doesn't want to but actually he is saving cities and nations since his fight with Buggy, then Arlong and the hometown of Nami, Alabasta, Skypea, Wano and many others. What Oda makes Luffy say and what actually Luffy does in the end are 2 different things even if we get he is a hero even if he doesn't want to.

 

[trav]

You have to take his word on it.
I see no reason the doubt anything WB had to say.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

WB at the very least knew he himself was on deaths door. He Also knew only Oden or Ace had enough potential to protect the crew in his absence. Sad ending for that crew.