General & Others Do all of you still think this raid will fail?

#41
Well, Kaido still not using awakening power yet(If he does, Characters will already mention it) and The Raid will not end until "Kaido Dead"

Solution Raid win right now is WG Bring a new SSG weapon to Wano and manage to kill Kaido.
 
#45
Yes.

There are a lot of narrative reasons why the raid is likely to fail as well as Oda's strange and unusual writing choices this arc that don't match up with this being the finale.

Onigaishima seems more like a false climax being used to set up something else.
 
#47
Anyone who ever did is a fool
Yeah, it was a bad idea to begin with, made worse by every passing chapter and is now at the level of “Luffy will beat Big Mom on WCI” levels of completely misreading how the arc is going.

If it’s just people saying that the fight to defeat Kaido will go another round onto the mainland or something after all the other fights are done, okay, that’s fair enough, but anyone who still thinks this is ending with a complete defeat and then there being an entire new fight against the Beast Pirates in two weeks time in-series is completely hopeless.
 
#48
Well let's look at the plot threads that need to be resolved.

Where is the rest of the numbers?
Where are the Big Mom pirates?
Where are the weapons Franky was supposed to be working on?
When is Zoro going to rally the samurai?
What's going on with Nidai and Hitetsu?
When will Momo take up the Ame no Hibikari?
When will Zoro visit Ringo, and have his past explored?
When will Kaido's motivations and back story happen?
Where is Hiyori, and what's her final role going to be?
Onigashima has to land. Is it really going to be the new flower capital?
What happens if Kaido falls right here and now and the WG launched a full assault on Wano?
Onigashima is minutes from the Flower Capital, and Still no sense of impending doom from the citizens that usually last dozens of chapters leading up to the climax. This always happens before the major fights happen. Not after half of them have been completed.

Not to mention , everything has gone so smoothly throughout this entire raid for the entire alliance. Smoother than any arc before it, and we are up against Two of the most powerful characters in the whole series.

Something is not adding up here.
 
#49
What u guys mean by fail? The Alliance being defeated, moving to other island and comming back after some time to do everything again? lol stop watching too much YouTube.


Kaido beating Luffy again and them they having the final round in Wano mainland can happen, but its not the raid failing. Some of the F6 comming back and fighting again can happen, but thats also not the raid failing. Even the CP0 joining the War is not failing, its just a fouth party joining, but the raid failure means complet defeat from the aliance side, not just some characters being out of combat for a time.

A lot of plot threads like Hiyori, Tenguyama, Road Poneglyph, Numbers, Kaido FB, Zoro past, etc dont need the raid failing, they will just be develop later in the arc, while other are just desilusional from fans like Franky weapons, BM Pirates and other things that dont have impact. I wouldnt doubt if the BM pirates are just defeat by the WG fleet and Oda use them to hype the CP0, because what else the the loser side characters from BM crew can do here? The main characters from the crew like Katakuri, Puddind and even Tamago aren't here, the only relevant character of the crew here is Perospero, who is alredy in the battle.
 
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#51
the sooner the raid ends in success the better. too much chapter already wasted. it feels like oda is dragging this one. and reading this arc fells like a chore.
:josad:

the grandmaster is still the only saving grace of this arc. ZKK will be fulfilled.
:cheers::kayneshrug:
 
#52
Define "raid fail"

Moving forwards everyone bar kaido and BM will get defeated and oda may BFR BM but kaido could be undefeated and the end fight may take over wano with possible every straw hat contributing against kaido. This fight may have some wano casualties -- This means the raid has fail because the plan was to kill kaido in onigashima
 
#55
It is better to fail. Nothing else makes sense.

If doesn't fail. What the hell Yonkos were so hyped? Why Roger and WB fought for 3 days? Admirals fought for 10 days. ACE AND JIMBEI FOUGHT FOR 5 DAYS. But then World's Strongest Creature can't handle 24 hours of fighting...
 
#56
It is better to fail. Nothing else makes sense.

If doesn't fail. What the hell Yonkos were so hyped? Why Roger and WB fought for 3 days? Admirals fought for 10 days. ACE AND JIMBEI FOUGHT FOR 5 DAYS. But then World's Strongest Creature can't handle 24 hours of fighting...
because "plot". Oda is the master of fake hype. And it's only been 5 mins, not even 24 hours.
 
#59
I'm still not completely against idea of raid failing.
Something tells me that Wano still long distance away from ending and that Elbaf won't that long.
There still to many questions that need to be answer + CP0/Marines+post Wano
This could easy give us another 50+ chapters
Unless ODA speedrun the ending of WANO, which i don't think it will happen
well with wano it doesn't seem so , he can't do that
cuz unlike other arcs dressrosa etc . where the secrets given during middle of the arc and no more mystery around the end .
 
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