Do you believe in evolution?
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this is next level cope now that i have proven your claim wrong you are now engaging in a fallacy " OmG OtHer dId itTOO NO biG DeaL"
L + Cope mate can't believe i'm debating this APe
here is an early scholar in the time of GEngis khan debunking you supine intellect
Praise be to Allah.
More than one of the scholars have narrated that there is consensus that the Earth is round. For example:
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) narrated that from Abu’l-Husayn ibn al-Munaadi (may Allah have mercy on him), when he said:
Imam Abu’l-Husayn Ahmad ibn Ja‘far ibn al-Munaadi narrated from the prominent scholars who are well known for knowledge of reports and major works in religious sciences, from the second level of Ahmad’s companions, that there was no difference of opinion among the scholars that the sky is like a ball.
He said: Similarly they were unanimously agreed that the Earth, with all that is contains of land and sea is like a ball. He said: That is indicated by the fact that the sun, moon and stars do not rise and set over those who are in different parts of the earth at the same time; rather that occurs in the east before it occurs in the west.
End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (25/195)
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/118698/consensus-that-the-earth-is-round
L + Cope mate can't believe i'm debating this APe
here is an early scholar in the time of GEngis khan debunking you supine intellect
Praise be to Allah.
More than one of the scholars have narrated that there is consensus that the Earth is round. For example:
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) narrated that from Abu’l-Husayn ibn al-Munaadi (may Allah have mercy on him), when he said:
Imam Abu’l-Husayn Ahmad ibn Ja‘far ibn al-Munaadi narrated from the prominent scholars who are well known for knowledge of reports and major works in religious sciences, from the second level of Ahmad’s companions, that there was no difference of opinion among the scholars that the sky is like a ball.
He said: Similarly they were unanimously agreed that the Earth, with all that is contains of land and sea is like a ball. He said: That is indicated by the fact that the sun, moon and stars do not rise and set over those who are in different parts of the earth at the same time; rather that occurs in the east before it occurs in the west.
End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (25/195)
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/118698/consensus-that-the-earth-is-round
wouldnt exactly call the message beautiful, but whatevs.
criticising religion is perfectly ok. generalizing adherents of religions because of the religion itself is not ok.
criticising scientists is perfectly ok as well. criticising science is kinda weird, as its just a method to learn about the natural world.
and sure, mankind fuckin sucks
criticising religion is perfectly ok. generalizing adherents of religions because of the religion itself is not ok.
criticising scientists is perfectly ok as well. criticising science is kinda weird, as its just a method to learn about the natural world.
and sure, mankind fuckin sucks
you have proven nothing wrong lmao. and well, thats still the case. why would it be impressive if the ancient greeks did it hundreds of years earlier?
lmfao well, apparently 600 years later still counts as "early scholars" xD
nice meme hijab level shit too. makes me think of my comment regarding confirmation bias again.
also not like flat earth being the only scientific issue in the quran and hadith
lmfao well, apparently 600 years later still counts as "early scholars" xD
nice meme hijab level shit too. makes me think of my comment regarding confirmation bias again.
also not like flat earth being the only scientific issue in the quran and hadith
i cant second this recommendation. especially old testament.
though i do want to do a reread of both bible and quran eventually. recently got the book of mormon as well
1) dahaha doesnt mean ostrich egg, its a verb thats consistently been translated as "to spread" or similar meanings
2) the earth isnt shaped like an egg. if the quran would say it like you are claiming here, that would still be a sicentific mistake. and again, especially pathetic considering ancient greeks fucking calculated the circumference of the earth hundreds of years before the quran was written.
though i do want to do a reread of both bible and quran eventually. recently got the book of mormon as well
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1) dahaha doesnt mean ostrich egg, its a verb thats consistently been translated as "to spread" or similar meanings
2) the earth isnt shaped like an egg. if the quran would say it like you are claiming here, that would still be a sicentific mistake. and again, especially pathetic considering ancient greeks fucking calculated the circumference of the earth hundreds of years before the quran was written.
It's not 100% like a ball either
Also eggs can have very different shapes depending on which animal they come from and circumstances.
Check out eggs from local small farms, they don't look like supermarket eggs.
The untranslatability of language has been pointed out by idk who, was it Mohammed himself even?
Every 'translation' of the Quran is seen as a mere interpretation.
Different culture with different focus.
Let's not do culture powerscaling here OK?
Also eggs can have very different shapes depending on which animal they come from and circumstances.
Check out eggs from local small farms, they don't look like supermarket eggs.
The untranslatability of language has been pointed out by idk who, was it Mohammed himself even?
Every 'translation' of the Quran is seen as a mere interpretation.
Different culture with different focus.
Let's not do culture powerscaling here OK?
It's not 100% like a ball either
Also eggs can have very different shapes depending on which animal they come from and circumstances.
Check out eggs from local small farms, they don't look like supermarket eggs.
The untranslatability of language has been pointed out by idk who, was it Mohammed himself even?
Every 'translation' of the Quran is seen as a mere interpretation.
Different culture with different focus.
Let's not do culture powerscaling here OK?
Also eggs can have very different shapes depending on which animal they come from and circumstances.
Check out eggs from local small farms, they don't look like supermarket eggs.
The untranslatability of language has been pointed out by idk who, was it Mohammed himself even?
Every 'translation' of the Quran is seen as a mere interpretation.
Different culture with different focus.
Let's not do culture powerscaling here OK?
dont really care about this point of them. not my issue if their supposed perfect creator god is such a bad communicator.
and the "original" quran was just rasm anyway
yes but one culture claimed to have the perfect message of a perfect being and still fucks up alot. i think its very fair to make the comparison.
and the "original" quran was just rasm anyway
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yes but one culture claimed to have the perfect message of a perfect being and still fucks up alot. i think its very fair to make the comparison.
i lowkey assuming you have problems lol but sure there is no cure for such illness
mate is soo mentally degraded to get that that is whats considered an early scholar its not long after the 4 schools major ones and he even quotes one of the major's opinion that they consider earth to be round
if after everything here you dont realize that you're intellectually bankrupt then i surely dont think there is a cure to this disease
of you yours .. such pathetic lunacy is pretty darn pathetic
- i proved that early Muslims in Turkey and even even before the Scholar i mentioned Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) , like Ahmad Al Biruni who also was a scholar and a poly math proved that earth is round
-but you persist on your delusional take that every early scholar believed that earth is flat on the basis of quran which you didn't even quote source for you whole argument is basically " islam says its flat and scholars believed it "
- you are conflating popular belief that has no bearing to religion back then to what Muslims believe
you have no evidence where quran says its flat explicitly or even implies the earth itself is flat
it's not our mental gymnastics its people like you who are academic ignorant and arrogant illtreats that are hell bent on promoting ahistorical
nonsense you only adds to you intellectual failures ... coz thats what you are.. an intellectual and academic failure
even my ad hominess are backed with reasons unlike our existence .
mate is soo mentally degraded to get that that is whats considered an early scholar its not long after the 4 schools major ones and he even quotes one of the major's opinion that they consider earth to be round
if after everything here you dont realize that you're intellectually bankrupt then i surely dont think there is a cure to this disease
of you yours .. such pathetic lunacy is pretty darn pathetic
- i proved that early Muslims in Turkey and even even before the Scholar i mentioned Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) , like Ahmad Al Biruni who also was a scholar and a poly math proved that earth is round
-but you persist on your delusional take that every early scholar believed that earth is flat on the basis of quran which you didn't even quote source for you whole argument is basically " islam says its flat and scholars believed it "
- you are conflating popular belief that has no bearing to religion back then to what Muslims believe
you have no evidence where quran says its flat explicitly or even implies the earth itself is flat
it's not our mental gymnastics its people like you who are academic ignorant and arrogant illtreats that are hell bent on promoting ahistorical
nonsense you only adds to you intellectual failures ... coz thats what you are.. an intellectual and academic failure
even my ad hominess are backed with reasons unlike our existence .
proving the earth is round =/= showing the quran doesnt say the earth is flat. because it does and you have to bend over backwards to find tafsirs saying otherwise. not to mention nun the whale that carries the earth on its back lul
i myself dont actually care what muslims believe. i can read the text and conclude it says the earth is flat on my own.
meme hijabs credentials dont help him either. he makes garbage ass arguments all the time.
but i actually have academic education in the field of comparative religious science. and i've been dealing with these arguments for years, which is why i dont have the motivation to actually go in-depth about this. neither about evolution. because im pretty sure you arent going to change your mind anyway.
ad hominem arguments by definition have nothing to do with reason. its the lack of reason that makes it ad hominem. ad hominem is if you attack the person instead of the argument. attacking the argument AND the person is not an ad hominem. alot of people who just dont know any better just conflate insults with ad hominem fallacy, which just isnt the case.
also, just gonna share the definition real quick because you wont look it up anyway:
i myself dont actually care what muslims believe. i can read the text and conclude it says the earth is flat on my own.
meme hijabs credentials dont help him either. he makes garbage ass arguments all the time.
but i actually have academic education in the field of comparative religious science. and i've been dealing with these arguments for years, which is why i dont have the motivation to actually go in-depth about this. neither about evolution. because im pretty sure you arent going to change your mind anyway.
ad hominem arguments by definition have nothing to do with reason. its the lack of reason that makes it ad hominem. ad hominem is if you attack the person instead of the argument. attacking the argument AND the person is not an ad hominem. alot of people who just dont know any better just conflate insults with ad hominem fallacy, which just isnt the case.
also, just gonna share the definition real quick because you wont look it up anyway:
proving the earth is round =/= showing the quran doesnt say the earth is flat. because it does and you have to bend over backwards to find tafsirs saying otherwise. not to mention nun the whale that carries the earth on its back lul
i myself dont actually care what muslims believe. i can read the text and conclude it says the earth is flat on my own.
meme hijabs credentials dont help him either. he makes garbage ass arguments all the time.
but i actually have academic education in the field of comparative religious science. and i've been dealing with these arguments for years, which is why i dont have the motivation to actually go in-depth about this. neither about evolution. because im pretty sure you arent going to change your mind anyway.
ad hominem arguments by definition have nothing to do with reason. its the lack of reason that makes it ad hominem. ad hominem is if you attack the person instead of the argument. attacking the argument AND the person is not an ad hominem. alot of people who just dont know any better just conflate insults with ad hominem fallacy, which just isnt the case.
also, just gonna share the definition real quick because you wont look it up anyway:
i myself dont actually care what muslims believe. i can read the text and conclude it says the earth is flat on my own.
meme hijabs credentials dont help him either. he makes garbage ass arguments all the time.
but i actually have academic education in the field of comparative religious science. and i've been dealing with these arguments for years, which is why i dont have the motivation to actually go in-depth about this. neither about evolution. because im pretty sure you arent going to change your mind anyway.
ad hominem arguments by definition have nothing to do with reason. its the lack of reason that makes it ad hominem. ad hominem is if you attack the person instead of the argument. attacking the argument AND the person is not an ad hominem. alot of people who just dont know any better just conflate insults with ad hominem fallacy, which just isnt the case.
also, just gonna share the definition real quick because you wont look it up anyway:
good that looked past through it some semblance of intellect all hope is not lost
anyway David's pup i asked from quranic verses which explicitly or implicitly claim that the whole earth is flat
and look at this intellectual pleb, are you saying that what they mean by "repeatedly confirmed" is that is becomes a fact?