Do you believe in evolution?
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I mean evolution is not against religion or God
I don’t understand this conversation
God is the creator and primary force behind everything (according to our beliefs), so evolution could be a process of how he did it
I personally don’t believe in the common ancestry of apes and humans but accept the fact that species change and adapt due to mutations and environmental changes etc.
It’s quite the clever idea of God in my eyes, otherwise many species would go extinct
I just think that humans were created separately but also changed with each age
I think that we were always humans
We have the "realms" of minerals, plants, animals and human
The human "realm"/body contains the other 3 realms. So of course we have animalistic traits but are still a separate creation
Don’t forget that mankind is always subjective
We can accept the clues but interpret the full picture according to our beliefs/heart
I look at it from a spiritual view
I don’t understand this conversation
God is the creator and primary force behind everything (according to our beliefs), so evolution could be a process of how he did it
I personally don’t believe in the common ancestry of apes and humans but accept the fact that species change and adapt due to mutations and environmental changes etc.
It’s quite the clever idea of God in my eyes, otherwise many species would go extinct
I just think that humans were created separately but also changed with each age
I think that we were always humans
We have the "realms" of minerals, plants, animals and human
The human "realm"/body contains the other 3 realms. So of course we have animalistic traits but are still a separate creation
Don’t forget that mankind is always subjective
We can accept the clues but interpret the full picture according to our beliefs/heart
I look at it from a spiritual view
The concept of evolution, as elucidated by the scientific framework of biological theory, postulates the gradual transformation and diversification of species over extensive temporal scales through the interplay of inheritable variations, genetic mutations, natural selection, and environmental factors.
At its core, evolution operates on the fundamental principles of heredity, reproductive success, and genetic variability, which collectively engender alterations in gene frequencies within populations, thereby enabling the emergence of novel phenotypic traits, speciation events, and the overall intricate tapestry of biodiversity observed across the biosphere.
The paradigm of evolution finds its foundations in the seminal works of illustrious naturalists and scientists, encompassing but not limited to Charles Darwin, whose groundbreaking theory of natural selection provided profound insights into the adaptive dynamics and intricate interrelationships between organisms and their ecological niches, propelling our comprehension of the profound complexities inherent in the grand narrative of life's continuous transformation across generations and epochs.
At its core, evolution operates on the fundamental principles of heredity, reproductive success, and genetic variability, which collectively engender alterations in gene frequencies within populations, thereby enabling the emergence of novel phenotypic traits, speciation events, and the overall intricate tapestry of biodiversity observed across the biosphere.
The paradigm of evolution finds its foundations in the seminal works of illustrious naturalists and scientists, encompassing but not limited to Charles Darwin, whose groundbreaking theory of natural selection provided profound insights into the adaptive dynamics and intricate interrelationships between organisms and their ecological niches, propelling our comprehension of the profound complexities inherent in the grand narrative of life's continuous transformation across generations and epochs.
seems like you still didnt look up the definition.
science generally evolves and changes. and thats a good thing btw. lmfao.
and yeah, denying evolution is pretty much on the same level as being a flat earther.
its not like people cant reinterpret certain shit to make it not go against reality. peeps have done it with religious scriptures for ages.
the amount of mental gymnastics ive seen muslims do to make their scriptures not say the earth is flat is fucking astounding. Adam and eve doesnt have to be a literal story either, i even saw a christian guy arguing that the bibles adam and eve story points to evolution depending on the interpretation.
pretty ironic after he cried about ad hom lul
its not. religious agenda = you have your conclusion before evaluating the evidence.
which leads very often to crazy ass confirmation bias
science generally evolves and changes. and thats a good thing btw. lmfao.
and yeah, denying evolution is pretty much on the same level as being a flat earther.
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its not like people cant reinterpret certain shit to make it not go against reality. peeps have done it with religious scriptures for ages.
the amount of mental gymnastics ive seen muslims do to make their scriptures not say the earth is flat is fucking astounding. Adam and eve doesnt have to be a literal story either, i even saw a christian guy arguing that the bibles adam and eve story points to evolution depending on the interpretation.
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pretty ironic after he cried about ad hom lul
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its not. religious agenda = you have your conclusion before evaluating the evidence.
which leads very often to crazy ass confirmation bias
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the irony is you just repeated what i said
and are now deflecting and obscuring the main point
i can accept universal common ancestry and still deny Human-chimp common ancestry
i deny human chimp common ancestry that doesn't mean i deny evolution that is a logical fallacy
and you're too proud to adress the specifics
may god humble you
and are now deflecting and obscuring the main point
i can accept universal common ancestry and still deny Human-chimp common ancestry
i deny human chimp common ancestry that doesn't mean i deny evolution that is a logical fallacy
and you're too proud to adress the specifics
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may god humble you
its a compilation of various books. the gospels are iirc around 100 years after jesus
im not even sure you can find 1% of scientists who reject evolution or humans being evolved animals. and all the scources people tried pushing to argue this shit in this thread didnt even remotely say that humans arent being evolved animals either. soooo *shrug*
also still the problem that people dont know the definition of scientific theory. if someone gives you the "its just a theory" argument, you immediately know that person is scientifically illiterate.
most species that existed went extinct.
evolution is a natural phenomenon, the theory of evolution explains this natural phenomenon. which is why over time with better evidence we improve our understanding of how related certain species are.
so you accept the entirety of evolution except for humans being a part of it?
and im the arrogant one lmfao.
he/she/it would first need to exist
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im not even sure you can find 1% of scientists who reject evolution or humans being evolved animals. and all the scources people tried pushing to argue this shit in this thread didnt even remotely say that humans arent being evolved animals either. soooo *shrug*
also still the problem that people dont know the definition of scientific theory. if someone gives you the "its just a theory" argument, you immediately know that person is scientifically illiterate.
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most species that existed went extinct.
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evolution is a natural phenomenon, the theory of evolution explains this natural phenomenon. which is why over time with better evidence we improve our understanding of how related certain species are.
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so you accept the entirety of evolution except for humans being a part of it?
and im the arrogant one lmfao.
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he/she/it would first need to exist
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never knew you were a muslim your comments seem atheistic
if you hear me out for a second i dont think you even as a muslim you have done your due diligence researching on what academic muslims say regarding the matter unless you think our academia is pathetic then that is your ignorance shone bright again
but regardless,
common ancestry is also an theory, there are theory's of multiple sources of ancestries too
just like there is a tree of life theory there are many like it in discussion
there is are many theories around it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3160433/
and no islam doesn't make a claim evolution (common ancestry and its vast variants)
the most it says in Quran is that every living creature came from water which reinforces the scientific notion but humans were an exception rather they were created separately. it doesn make a case for multiple sources of life evolving simultaneously
if islam doesn't make a claim about evolution then its not reasonable to say that a certain theory proves contradicts islam and proves Islam wrong even since you deem that scientific theory being fact when Quran (Allah) hasn't made any related claims in canon sources .
thats utterly disingenuous
the truth is you couldn't care less either way, you'd rather believe the universe came form nothing whilst believing in common ancestry the flipin irony lol
arrogance is not addressing specifics and beating around the bush while thumping your chest like your assumed distant Primate relatives
i repeat i can believe in common ancestry the mainstream propagated notion of common ancestry and yet disregard human -chimp common ancestry while maintaining my religious beliefs . your job is to prove it can't be done ..
i never even denied that there is a system and paradigm synonymous to the diagrams like tree of life that is at worl but you are already assuming what i believe and only answer part of my comments like a coward that surries away in his bill like a mouse after giving childish non arguments as retorts
if you hear me out for a second i dont think you even as a muslim you have done your due diligence researching on what academic muslims say regarding the matter unless you think our academia is pathetic then that is your ignorance shone bright again
but regardless,
common ancestry is also an theory, there are theory's of multiple sources of ancestries too
just like there is a tree of life theory there are many like it in discussion
there is are many theories around it
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3160433/
and no islam doesn't make a claim evolution (common ancestry and its vast variants)
the most it says in Quran is that every living creature came from water which reinforces the scientific notion but humans were an exception rather they were created separately. it doesn make a case for multiple sources of life evolving simultaneously
if islam doesn't make a claim about evolution then its not reasonable to say that a certain theory proves contradicts islam and proves Islam wrong even since you deem that scientific theory being fact when Quran (Allah) hasn't made any related claims in canon sources .
thats utterly disingenuous
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the truth is you couldn't care less either way, you'd rather believe the universe came form nothing whilst believing in common ancestry the flipin irony lol
arrogance is not addressing specifics and beating around the bush while thumping your chest like your assumed distant Primate relatives
i repeat i can believe in common ancestry the mainstream propagated notion of common ancestry and yet disregard human -chimp common ancestry while maintaining my religious beliefs . your job is to prove it can't be done ..
i never even denied that there is a system and paradigm synonymous to the diagrams like tree of life that is at worl but you are already assuming what i believe and only answer part of my comments like a coward that surries away in his bill like a mouse after giving childish non arguments as retorts
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I'll quote this post again
Realistically nobody who lived 3000 years ago would have been able to grasp the sheer amount of time species need to evolve.
They could not have processed. this information
I think this is one of the biggest issue of religious people in the modern age. Humans that lived in the past (and some still today) made more use of metaphors than most modern people, that take things very literally.
This is how people today conclude that religious stories must be taken literally and if you disagree with them they call you disrespectful or atheistic.
It's the classic human vs nature bs, the idea that humans are seperate from the natural world and cannot interact with nature without harming it.
Realistically nobody who lived 3000 years ago would have been able to grasp the sheer amount of time species need to evolve.
They could not have processed. this information
I think this is one of the biggest issue of religious people in the modern age. Humans that lived in the past (and some still today) made more use of metaphors than most modern people, that take things very literally.
This is how people today conclude that religious stories must be taken literally and if you disagree with them they call you disrespectful or atheistic.
It's the classic human vs nature bs, the idea that humans are seperate from the natural world and cannot interact with nature without harming it.
i'd rather believe nothing and follow the evidence.
thats not my job at all. you can believe in the loch ness monster, the earth being flat, humans not being primates etc and i couldnt care less. im just gonna laugh at you
in the case of islam, early scholars and believers all thought the earth to be flat for example, but most muslims nowadays still perform mental gymnastics to deflect from that.
we have the luxury that we can now reinterpret passages that we know cant be true if you read them literally, like flat earth or adam and eve bullshit.
if you read religious scriptures its very obvious that the authors didnt have a good understanding of the natural world. so how would they grasp this?
thats not my job at all. you can believe in the loch ness monster, the earth being flat, humans not being primates etc and i couldnt care less. im just gonna laugh at you
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in the case of islam, early scholars and believers all thought the earth to be flat for example, but most muslims nowadays still perform mental gymnastics to deflect from that.
we have the luxury that we can now reinterpret passages that we know cant be true if you read them literally, like flat earth or adam and eve bullshit.
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if you read religious scriptures its very obvious that the authors didnt have a good understanding of the natural world. so how would they grasp this?
but you literally believe assumptions derived from observations how are assumptions facts lol 
dude's a walking talking fallacy
comon atleast you have stopped claiming human chimp common ancestor is a fact and conceded scientific theories aren't concrete since those 2 things are mutually exclusive lol
dude's a walking talking fallacy
comon atleast you have stopped claiming human chimp common ancestor is a fact and conceded scientific theories aren't concrete since those 2 things are mutually exclusive lol
It has nothing to do with arrogance or human vs nature
Of course there are many people who act like morons but those people are also ignoring the rest of the story and the context
1. Humans have the responsibility to care about this world and treat it good.
2. Humans became sinners and lost their true value while nature (animals, plants, mountains etc.) are still serving God
So this is not a story about "we’re better", this is story about "we are a separate creation and had the responsibility to care about this world but we lost it."
We are all a part of this world and God said multiple times in the Koran that mankind shouldn’t be arrogant because God can create a new intelligent species.
The Koran humbles mankind
What about the scientist who are trying to mess with natural order? They see themselves as animals and justify their bad actions with some bullshit moralities
Not only religious people treat this world like shit. Many atheistic people do the same.
Our religious view is not the cause for this shit
A bad heart and arrogance is the cause
Of course there are many people who act like morons but those people are also ignoring the rest of the story and the context
1. Humans have the responsibility to care about this world and treat it good.
2. Humans became sinners and lost their true value while nature (animals, plants, mountains etc.) are still serving God
So this is not a story about "we’re better", this is story about "we are a separate creation and had the responsibility to care about this world but we lost it."
We are all a part of this world and God said multiple times in the Koran that mankind shouldn’t be arrogant because God can create a new intelligent species.
The Koran humbles mankind
What about the scientist who are trying to mess with natural order? They see themselves as animals and justify their bad actions with some bullshit moralities
Not only religious people treat this world like shit. Many atheistic people do the same.
Our religious view is not the cause for this shit
A bad heart and arrogance is the cause
https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/m...-is-round-turkeys-science-minister-says-74989
ahistorical bs, nothing in quran states that earth is flat , if people in the past determined that earth is flat then that was due to lack of wisdom and knowledge and the fact that evidence relied on mass calculations that not everyone could do.. it low of you to smear them for that and mock muslims for believing in scientific conclusions
you have many among the muslims even back then who determined that earth was round with just calculations
https://en.yabiladi.com/articles/details/81729/muslim-scholars-knew-that-earth.html
ahistorical bs, nothing in quran states that earth is flat , if people in the past determined that earth is flat then that was due to lack of wisdom and knowledge and the fact that evidence relied on mass calculations that not everyone could do.. it low of you to smear them for that and mock muslims for believing in scientific conclusions
you have many among the muslims even back then who determined that earth was round with just calculations
https://en.yabiladi.com/articles/details/81729/muslim-scholars-knew-that-earth.html