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Uncle Van · Sep 11, 2020

Base Luffy moved so fast that Ulti and P1 completely lost sight of him, with P1 getting one shot by G3.

Still dont see how the lower 6 SHs can beat a Toppi Roppo 1v1 without it being inconsistent.

Franky- has trouble with Senor Pink who is below the Card Seats.
Brooke- easily stopped by Perospero
Nami- helpless against Brulee
Robin- couldnt offer any combat assistance against Diamante

Lunaria · Sep 11, 2020

Van said:

But doesn’t that mean his G4 strength is required to take her down ? G3 did nothing to Page One.

I know @Shiroyru is mad at me ever since I said Mid trio vs Numbers is more likely to happen than Mid trio vs Tobi Roppo but I didn’t mean to direspect the mid trio. I genuinely don’t see how they can defeat the Tobi Roppo but I’d be glad if they could.

Uncle Van · Sep 11, 2020

Princeley said:

It does not. Luffy got caught cause he was focused on P1. Ulti could hardly do a thing to Base Luffy. He can take her put easily with G3 or with base punches using ACOA.

G3 knocked P1 out.....

Lunaria · Sep 11, 2020

Van said:

It just sent him flying, just like it sent Kaido flying but Page One was totally fine in the following chapter, yet he didn’t even go hybrid.

Esc · Sep 11, 2020

Van said:

-Franky did not use his weaponry against Senor Pink ( so no stuff like radical beam one shotting numbers, bringing his AP down) nor was he in Franky Shogun (giving him a lot of durability) because it was a "man fight". + He got gangbanged by three donquixote officers + marine overseeing by Bastille and used all his cola to go back up. He wasn't healthy.
- Brook : Perospero has an extremely tricky devil fruit. Idk why people keep giving Brook and chopper shit over it when they busy fighting other BM soldiers and Perospero was also able to trap the Vinsmoke. (Ichiji said the candy had them stuck in place)
-Nami : Once again tricky devil fruit + Nami was under the shock of the power of an emperor crew after seeing Cracker display, if you reread the scene she wasn't in fighting mode.
-Robin : Plot. It needed to be Kyros' fight. She was shown to be able to deflect Diamante's sword.

Mind you, I do not believe this is going to be straight 1 vs 1 (except maybe Franky) but I also believe some past stuff are being overblown for powerscaling sake when they were mostly situational .
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Princeley said:

Full animal form are more physically though than hybrid form for ancient zoans though, why do you think Ulti switched from hybrid to full animal form to grab Luffy?

Uncle Van · Sep 11, 2020

Esc said:

The lower SHs were constantly portrayed below guys like Daifuku, Oven, Pica, Vergo etc, with people like Sanji and the Vinsmokes being required to stop them. That was a constant since the beginning of postskip for them suddenly being able to take guys like that out with no power ups or super plot would be a problem.

It's no different as to why people get annoyed with BM as shes a walking inconsistency.

Shiroyru · Sep 11, 2020

Van said:

Luffy went from being neg diffed by Lucci to beating him in the span of 12 hours. Nothing wrong with the other SHs getting a lot stronger in the span of an arc. Oda can just give them basic Haki, which would be a massive boost. Look at how a normal G3 punch couldn’t even scratch Pero’s basic candy wall. A CoA G3 punch probably would have done a lot more damage

Monster Luffy · Sep 11, 2020

Shiroyru said:

Luffy went from being neg diffed by Lucci to beating him in the span of 12 hours. Nothing wrong with the other SHs getting a lot stronger in the span of an arc. Oda can just give them basic Haki, which would be a massive boost. Look at how a normal G3 punch couldn’t even scratch Pero’s basic candy wall. A CoA G3 punch probably would have done a lot more damage

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G3 not breaking candy wall is just Oda smoking weed. Or if you say that candy wall >>> Iron/Steel door in EL.

Esc · Sep 11, 2020

Van said:

1) It isn't going to be easy
2)They could get stronger during the fight, actually being in a dififcult situation would be a perfect way for the SHs to unlock haki like Usopp during Dressrosa
3) It doesn't have to be straight 1 vs 1
4)The crew getting stronger each island was explicitly stated by Zoro
5)Your Vinsmoke were unable to get out of Perospero candty, yet you're using as an argument on why Brook is too weak. I sense bias.

Lunaria · Sep 11, 2020

Esc said:

-Franky did not use his weaponry against Senor Pink ( so no stuff like radical beam one shotting numbers, bringing his AP down) nor was he in Franky Shogun (giving him a lot of durability) because it was a "man fight". + He got gangbanged by three donquixote officers + marine overseeing by Bastille and used all his cola to go back up. He wasn't healthy.
- Brook : Perospero has an extremely tricky devil fruit. Idk why people keep giving Brook and chopper shit over it when they busy fighting other BM soldiers and Perospero was also able to trap the Vinsmoke. (Ichiji said the candy had them stuck in place)
-Nami : Once again tricky devil fruit + Nami was under the shock of the power of an emperor crew after seeing Cracker display, if you reread the scene she wasn't in fighting mode.
-Robin : Plot. It needed to be Kyros' fight. She was shown to be able to deflect Diamante's sword.

Mind you, I do not believe this is going to be straight 1 vs 1 (except maybe Franky) but I also believe some past stuff are being overblown for powerscaling sake when they were mostly situational .
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Full animal form are more physically though than hybrid form for ancient zoans though, why do you think Ulti switched from hybrid to full animal form to grab Luffy?

It was to grab him, not to tank his attacks. But you could be right, I don’t know whether full Zoan form is tougher than hybrid but the point is Page One was totally fine after the G3 punch, even the fodder BPs were shocked that the attack almost did nothing to him.

OmegaPsyche · Sep 11, 2020

I respect Franky, but he is very slow & I don't think he can spam laser attack like Luffy can spam KG attacks

Midnight Delight · Sep 11, 2020

playa4321 said:

Nami took out 7 or so Ministers at once using Zeus

WesMidnight · Sep 12, 2020

Ulti got a cheap shot to restrain Luffy to make Yamato's entrance more relevant. Luffy didn't need g4 to beat her, just to take the difficulty down to no diff to avoid accumulating damage.
Luffy outside of his battles with arc bosses is nerfed with PIS, if G4 is this casual for then he should be speedblitzing everyone with Organ.
Nothing before arc endgame should be used to seriously power scale Luffy, unless you think Bellamy stalling Luffy means he is a legitimate threat, or unless you think Apoo>Katakuri.

Hanzo hattori · Sep 12, 2020

Luffy said "her power is so strong... o-oh gear 4" yeah I don't see any difference

Konstantis · Sep 12, 2020

Van said:

Nami wasn't helpless against Brulle, she actually defeat her. Brule just all time caught her off guard, and attack from the ground was exactly like that. It's same thing to say that Apoo is stronger than Zoro case he made Zoro to run lul.

Paperchampion23 · Sep 12, 2020

I dont even know what the matchups are gonna be lol, there's almost no setup for any of them outside of Zoro/Sanji possibly facing King/Queen due to their personalities

Konstantis · Sep 12, 2020

Seth said:

Are you serious right now? SH not just can, but have to defeat guys like Maria, case we are already on last part of manga, and every SH has to became stronger or die. There no any other choice left, case next fight will be against Teach, and than, maybe, against Marines. If that is fair fight, or not but we don't have time now, so Oda has to make every one a lot stronger. That remined me Arabasta arc...SH wasn't ready, they just have to fight.

Formerly Seth · Sep 12, 2020

Konstantis said:

Are you serious right now? SH not just can, but have to defeat guys like Maria, case we are already on last part of manga, and every SH has to became stronger or die. There no any other choice left, case next fight will be against Teach, and than, maybe, against Marines. If that is fair fight, or not but we don't have time now, so Oda has to make every one a lot stronger. That remined me Arabasta arc...SH wasn't ready, they just have to fight.

there is no fucking way Nami and Usopp can beat Veteran level characters or above.

Konstantis · Sep 12, 2020

Seth said:

Well, it's obviosly not in 1x1 fight, but they both get features that could take down even veteran lvl characters. Now Usopp was able to defeat giant fishes in the DR arc and awakened haki, I agree that it is not enough, but still....
Now Nami even without Zeus was able to deal great damage to enraged army. Zeus is absolutely different thing, but I don't see any possible fair way for now for her obtain him again, case only fair way that exist is eating BM fruit. But than again everything depends on Oda.
Chopper - eating 10 rummble balls lol?!
Brook - he is weaker than any veteran, but there could be some awakening or like that. Cheating anyway.
Robin - she wasn't able to defeat Diamante, but well she is stronger than Big Mom now(lies), so I could see her GB fighting against veteran.
Franky - I feel like he is the only one from weak SH, who could do something against veteran or YC without cheating;

Formerly Seth · Sep 12, 2020

Konstantis said:

Titan pointoooooo :finally:

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