Le Fishe Thread Doffy vs Fujitora

[ZenZu]

-Vergo's durability isn't even special: Smoker, Sanji, and Law all made Vergo bleed and show pain. Smoker and Sanji drew blood with nameless attacks.

-Vergo's strongest attack is Onitake, and that move caused a shockwave that bent iron bars a short distance behind him. P1's swipe caused RS Sanji to flying through multiple buildings dpesite trying to block it, all with a hakiless, nameless swipe.

-Vergo's nameless kick cracked Sanji's right leg. Judge forced Sanji to use COA to block a nameless spear swipe with his right leg, and it still hurt Sanji enough to make him fall to his knees. Judge's spear swipe>Vergo's kick so where is Judges's YC medals?

-The kick that cracked Sanji's leg didn't even have enough power to make Sanji budge, but later Sanji is blocking and taking attacks with enough power to send him flying and not a single crack. Obviously this means Sanji has gotten tougher(of Oda doesn't give a damn), but they take this as Vergo's kick having more AP than anything Queen is capable is of.

This is such weak logic. By your logic Page 1s swipe is better than a TB because it pushed Sanji away and took down a few homes. Do better.

Regarding the leg crack, it's not about if all Vergo's attacks or Queen's attacks should be cracking Sanji's leg, it's about Oda handing Vergo that feat to portray how monstrous his AP is. Trying to downplay that is silly. Vergo has consistently been portrayed to hit like a truck.

 

[Uncle Van]

This is such weak logic. By your logic Page 1s swipe is better than a TB because it pushed Sanji away and took down a few homes. Do better.

Regarding the leg crack, it's not about if all Vergo's attacks or Queen's attacks should be cracking Sanji's leg, it's about Oda handing Vergo that feat to portray how monstrous his AP is. Trying to downplay that is silly. Vergo has consistently been portrayed to hit like a truck.

Ulti and P1 were portrayed to hit like trucks by overpowering Luffy and Sanji. So? Know who else was portrayed to have "monstrous" AP? Jesus Burgess; his Surge Elbow shook the entire coliseum, and Galleon Lariet split buildings into from a distance. All without COA hardening. His haki Surge Elbow to equally clash with Sabo's Dragon Talons, showing great attack potency.

Fujny thing is the fact Vergo was given advantages with Sanji, Smoker, and Law. He was on the losing end against Sanji, and needed the advantage of Sanji's carelessness and a leg crack to become a problem, and yet he still couldnt capitalize. He had a back n' forth with Smoker, showing similar AP, and didn't gain a clear advantage until Smoker started sandbagging. That was when Vergo could land his strongest attack. With Law, Vergo had his heart and still couldn't beat in him unscathed.

Not is Vergo's Onitake isn't something that he lands often, his best was matched or surpassed by Burgess who can spam that AP constantly. Burgess was acknowledged by YC1 Sabo as a problem as well. Burgess is at best YC3 level in DR, and was still much better than what Vergo has shown.

Vergo aint nothing special. It's all useless fluff to single him out when others did the same or better constantly and easily.

 

[ZenZu]

Ulti and P1 were portrayed to hit like trucks by overpowering Luffy and Sanji. So? Know who else was portrayed to have "monstrous" AP? Jesus Burgess; his Surge Elbow shook the entire coliseum, and Galleon Lariet split buildings into from a distance. All without COA hardening. His haki Surge Elbow to equally clash with Sabo's Dragon Talons, showing great attack potency.

Fujny thing is the fact Vergo was given advantages with Sanji, Smoker, and Law. He was on the losing end against Sanji, and needed the advantage of Sanji's carelessness and a leg crack to become a problem, and yet he still couldnt capitalize. He had a back n' forth with Smoker, showing similar AP, and didn't gain a clear advantage until Smoker started sandbagging. That was when Vergo could land his strongest attack. With Law, Vergo had his heart and still couldn't beat in him unscathed.

Not is Vergo's Onitake isn't something that he lands often, his best was matched or surpassed by Burgess who can spam that AP constantly. Burgess was acknowledged by YC1 Sabo as a problem as well. Burgess is at best YC3 level in DR, and was still much better than what Vergo has shown.

Vergo aint nothing special. It's all useless fluff to single him out when others did the same or better constantly and easily.

Burgess hits hard too yea, Ulti? Her AP is super mid. Vergo literally cracked Sanji's leg casually, and folded Smoker in half with a single swing. Can't just hand Ulti that lvl of AP when Usopp and them were tanking her shit.

Others didn't do better for shit, Law looked better off taking even Bigger Mom's enraged punches than some of the attacks Vergo was pumping out. If you leave the bias behind and look at things completely objectively this wouldn't be controversial, a lot of people just love to box characters into tiers they decided on 20 years ago, so you just want to ignore what you're seeing on panel. Vergo absolutely hits like a truck, it's ok to admit it.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Vergo is beetle gifter victim

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Burgess hits hard too yea, Ulti? Her AP is super mid. Vergo literally cracked Sanji's leg casually, and folded Smoker in half with a single swing. Can't just hand Ulti that lvl of AP when Usopp and them were tanking her shit.

Others didn't do better for shit, Law looked better off taking even Bigger Mom's enraged punches than some of the attacks Vergo was pumping out. If you leave the bias behind and look at things completely objectively this wouldn't be controversial, a lot of people just love to box characters into tiers they decided on 20 years ago, so you just want to ignore what you're seeing on panel. Vergo absolutely hits like a truck, it's ok to admit it.

Saying Vergo > Big Mom's AP because Law "looked better off taking her attacks" (not even true mind you) is like saying St. Elmo's Fire ~ Shock Wille in AP because both made Blackbeard bleed and shout in pain.
It's almost like, regardless of whether or not a character reacts worse to one attack than the other, it can still be clear that one is far more devastating, especially if, yknow, Law looks like he's dying from one and his crew is even telling him to stop because of that.

 

[ZenZu]

Saying Vergo > Big Mom's AP because Law "looked better off taking her attacks" (not even true mind you) is like saying St. Elmo's Fire ~ Shock Wille in AP because both made Blackbeard bleed and shout in pain.
It's almost like, regardless of whether or not a character reacts worse to one attack than the other, it can still be clear that one is far more devastating, especially if, yknow, Law looks like he's dying from one and his crew is even telling him to stop because of that.

Shockwille looked far more devastating than St.Elmo's fire.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Shockwille looked far more devastating than St.Elmo's fire.

How so?
Teach screamed and bled from both of them and complained about how painful they were so both must be equal in potency
Clearly this means Ace ~ Law in AP

 

[Blazing Lion]

How so?
Teach screamed and bled from both of them and complained about how painful they were so both must be equal in potency
Clearly this means Ace ~ Law in AP

Ace AP >> Law AP

 

[Jeanstealer]

Wano Law ≠ PH Law, they're different beasts, down to the stats. Like, just think for a moment, within the context of his fight with Vergo, what damage would Law realistically sustain from an Oni Take? Anything less than significant damage + being winded and knocked down for a while seems extremely unlikely in this case. Oda would depict it as a serious and dangerous attack. So, going by that logic, Oni Take is somehow comparable to hybrid Kaido's ACoC Thunder Bagua? Lmao. When Crocodile showed up in Marineford no one was seriously scaling Alabasta Luffy's AP to Jozu's.

 

[ZenZu]

How so?
Teach screamed and bled from both of them and complained about how painful they were so both must be equal in potency
Clearly this means Ace ~ Law in AP

You spent the past 2 pages arguing against the fact that Queen was bleeding when it was clearly on panel, making it an objective fact. Lmfao if you expect me to entertain your "how so" for something as subjective as this if you can't even admit objective visuals.

 

[Steven]

Vergos AP is fucking shit.Barely beating Smoker with his strongst attack

ZenZu PERFECTLY proven he can't scale shit.Stick with your debunked Kakuzu wank

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You spent the past 2 pages arguing against the fact that Queen was bleeding when it was clearly on panel, making it an objective fact. Lmfao if you expect me to entertain your "how so" for something as subjective as this if you can't even admit objective visuals.

I literally posted a panel where he ate a DJ kick in his Zoan form without any blood lol

 

[Steven]

I literally posted a panel where he ate a DJ kick in his Zoan form without any blood lol

They will ignore it because it dont fit their agenda and debunks their headcanon

Someone with good dura would not get hurt by fucking PH Smoker

Vergo blitzed by Smoker lol

Smoker was dunking on Vergo until he decided to get Law’s heart back

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

They will ignore it because it dont fit their agenda and debunks their headcanon

Someone with good dura would not get hurt by fucking PH Smoker

Vergo blitzed by Smoker lol

Smoker was dunking on Vergo until he decided to get Law’s heart back

I'm so serious when I say this mf can't even push a single biscuit soldier past a neg diff. Like holy shit he really got floored from one punch by Smoker and even started bleeding profusely from his head..

 

[MUUGEN]

4 attacks on panel

The point is Vergo ran through gauntlet.
Even the likes of Katakuri never portrayed running a gauntlet like Vergo.

Vergo's portrayal is very close to Kaido's
Kaido fought scabbards, Rooftop 5, Luffy, Yamato and Nika just like Vergo fought G5 marines, Tashigi, Sanji, Law and Smoker.

Lmfao Katakuri literally dogwalked the entirealliance plus vinsmokes lowdiff.

 

[Bad English]

Smoker upscale

 

[Topi Jerami]

Lmfao Katakuri literally dogwalked the entirealliance plus vinsmokes lowdiff.

Lmao no, Katakuri only fought Luffy in Mirror World.
The rest were just short clash, unlike Vergo's real gauntlet match.
It was never Katakuri alone anyway, he was backed by his mom, his sister real Undefeated Commander Smoothie and rest of the family.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Lmao no, Katakuri only fought Luffy in Mirror World.
The rest were just short clash, unlike Vergo's real gauntlet match.
It was never Katakuri alone anyway, he was backed by his mom, his sister real Undefeated Commander Smoothie and rest of the family.

Bro his gauntlet consisted of 2 DJ kicks a few hits from Smoker and a Counter Shock
Literally still below a single biscuit soldier with those feats

 

[comrade]

Lmfao Katakuri literally dogwalked the entirealliance plus vinsmokes lowdiff.

 

[Uncle Van]

Burgess hits hard too yea, Ulti? Her AP is super mid. Vergo literally cracked Sanji's leg casually, and folded Smoker in half with a single swing. Can't just hand Ulti that lvl of AP when Usopp and them were tanking her shit.

Others didn't do better for shit, Law looked better off taking even Bigger Mom's enraged punches than some of the attacks Vergo was pumping out. If you leave the bias behind and look at things completely objectively this wouldn't be controversial, a lot of people just love to box characters into tiers they decided on 20 years ago, so you just want to ignore what you're seeing on panel. Vergo absolutely hits like a truck, it's ok to admit it.

Zen this is so stupid. In no universe does Vergo have more AP than BM. Saying "lol you're just bias" doesn't make it true. Give me actual evidence.

WB looked better after fighting Roger than he did in one counter with Squadro. What kind of logic is that? Are we gonna ignore the fact that Vergo had Law's heart? Are we also gonna ignore the fact that Smoker was already beaten down? What is this "folded in a single swing" nonsense?

The leg crack doesn't mean a thing when other characters like Judge almost did the exact same thing to Sanji. Sanji even admitted that P1's swipe would've been bad without the RS. On panel, Vergo is nothing special. I'm certainty not ignoring obvious facts to claim he hits harder than BM lol. Unless you can prove Vergo without haki can 2 shot Queen or overpower Luffy's haki guard with a single strike? Or that his attacks can clash with Base Kaido? Or that Vergo's attacks can make Onigashima shake? Give me something at least.