Le Fishe Thread Doffy vs Fujitora
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Weaker Commanders? Like who?
Cracker canonically could beat him with one biscuit soldier and Jack has way better endurance, stamina and strength feats
Haki is as strong as the user most of the time. Vergo would have been affected by any of his hax moves, even if he tried to avoid taking them head on.
Cracker canonically could beat him with one biscuit soldier and Jack has way better endurance, stamina and strength feats
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Haki is as strong as the user most of the time. Vergo would have been affected by any of his hax moves, even if he tried to avoid taking them head on.
So? Ashura is peer to Kinemon, who wanted to slice Jack up, yet pissed his pants at both Pica and Doffy.
Unless you have Vergo's Haki, that turns a Bamboo stick into a Meito.
Depends entirely on the level of your Haki. This "ACoA" you talking about is just Haki extending out of your body. The Boa sisters ACoA was overpowered by pre Haki Luffy.
Jack was on first aid from one of Ashura's attacks. On the Roof Top, the Dukes one shotted him. In their rematch, Inu alone one shotted Perospero's peer.
Stop coping, Vergod beats Jack.
Unless you have Vergo's Haki, that turns a Bamboo stick into a Meito.
Depends entirely on the level of your Haki. This "ACoA" you talking about is just Haki extending out of your body. The Boa sisters ACoA was overpowered by pre Haki Luffy.
Jack was on first aid from one of Ashura's attacks. On the Roof Top, the Dukes one shotted him. In their rematch, Inu alone one shotted Perospero's peer.
Stop coping, Vergod beats Jack.
I don't get the bamboo staff argument since we know a weapon has to be strong enough to withstand the user's power being channeled into it
Either it's not a normal staff or Vergo's Haki is so weak that it can't break through a random wood staff he found
How does he beat Jack?
How does he beat Vista? Vista clashed with god tier Mihawk without losing a step, and yes obviously Mihawk wasn't trying that hard but it's still far more impressive than anything Vergo's done.
And how does he beat WsW? What feats does he have on the level of clashing equally with Jinbe's Haki and physical strength and even piercing his Armament?
Either it's not a normal staff or Vergo's Haki is so weak that it can't break through a random wood staff he found
How does he beat Jack?
How does he beat Vista? Vista clashed with god tier Mihawk without losing a step, and yes obviously Mihawk wasn't trying that hard but it's still far more impressive than anything Vergo's done.
And how does he beat WsW? What feats does he have on the level of clashing equally with Jinbe's Haki and physical strength and even piercing his Armament?
He took Sanji's DJ to his face, twice. He easily struggled off Law's Countershock - one of his strongest attacks back then - broke Sanji's fibula with his non hardening leg. Before you say something, that isn't even Vergo's main fighting style, he's best at using his bamboo.
We can say G2 attacks won't do much to Vergo, he'll eat them quite easily. Sanji hits way harder with DJ and you can basically scale it like that: G3 >= Sanji's DJ (depends on the attack) > G2 (maybe bar Red Hawk).
Before Luffy received his next level Haki PUs, base Luffy really was weak af except great durability. Almost all of his enemies easily overpowered him. Heck, Luffy couldn't even best a single biscuit soldier. Katakuri mocked him and copying his strongest moves but stronger. Doflamingo straight up called G2 weak - he wouldn't have this reaction to Vergo's Oni Take.
So again, how do you see Vergo losing to this? Do you not think you're underrating Vergo too much or do you believe he has to be weaker than other opponents because he appeared earlier as a villain? This kind of thinking is flawed in One Piece because what Oda rather focuses at is how the characters are tied and related to the story and world. Vergo wasn't only a VA, he is one of the strongest while being secretly a spy - working for Doflamingo as his right hand man.
Furthermore, Zoro didn't take someone like Pica seriously at all - something which Zoro wouldn't do to Sanji either if he was seriously fighting him. Yet Vergo managed to break Sanji's strongest weapon - his legs. It's clear Vergo isn't an ordinary VA or vet level character. He's above that stuff.
People just need to pay extra attention to the story instead of making up bullshit powerscaling rules like "The next villain is stronger."
Heck, you guys don't like it when it's being used against Kaido and almost all other top tiers being paired against him, so keep the same energy for Doflamingo and especially Vergo because the latter was truly a freaking beast.
We can say G2 attacks won't do much to Vergo, he'll eat them quite easily. Sanji hits way harder with DJ and you can basically scale it like that: G3 >= Sanji's DJ (depends on the attack) > G2 (maybe bar Red Hawk).
Before Luffy received his next level Haki PUs, base Luffy really was weak af except great durability. Almost all of his enemies easily overpowered him. Heck, Luffy couldn't even best a single biscuit soldier. Katakuri mocked him and copying his strongest moves but stronger. Doflamingo straight up called G2 weak - he wouldn't have this reaction to Vergo's Oni Take.
So again, how do you see Vergo losing to this? Do you not think you're underrating Vergo too much or do you believe he has to be weaker than other opponents because he appeared earlier as a villain? This kind of thinking is flawed in One Piece because what Oda rather focuses at is how the characters are tied and related to the story and world. Vergo wasn't only a VA, he is one of the strongest while being secretly a spy - working for Doflamingo as his right hand man.
Furthermore, Zoro didn't take someone like Pica seriously at all - something which Zoro wouldn't do to Sanji either if he was seriously fighting him. Yet Vergo managed to break Sanji's strongest weapon - his legs. It's clear Vergo isn't an ordinary VA or vet level character. He's above that stuff.
People just need to pay extra attention to the story instead of making up bullshit powerscaling rules like "The next villain is stronger."
Heck, you guys don't like it when it's being used against Kaido and almost all other top tiers being paired against him, so keep the same energy for Doflamingo and especially Vergo because the latter was truly a freaking beast.
Jesus, so much unnecessary fluff here. I almost regret asking in the first place.
How does the guy who was sent into a wall by a casual nameless DJ kick, floored by a punch from Smoker, and matched by weakened base Sanji several times tank a G2 or especially G3 punch head on?
Also didn't Doffy still bleed from base Luffy's attacks while guarding with Armament Haki? The G2 thing is more of an anomaly than anything, given that.
Furthermore, Luffy was portrayed on more or less equal footing with Law, with them allying as partners and getting the same bounties after Dressrosa as well as both of them being prominent Supernovas who are captains of their own respective crews.
The only way you can argue Luffy was definitively superior to Law back then is by using Doffy's statement about Luffy having more potential due to already unlocking Conq Haki, but that's not relevant unless he could use ACoC, which he can't.
How does the guy who was sent into a wall by a casual nameless DJ kick, floored by a punch from Smoker, and matched by weakened base Sanji several times tank a G2 or especially G3 punch head on?
Also didn't Doffy still bleed from base Luffy's attacks while guarding with Armament Haki? The G2 thing is more of an anomaly than anything, given that.
Furthermore, Luffy was portrayed on more or less equal footing with Law, with them allying as partners and getting the same bounties after Dressrosa as well as both of them being prominent Supernovas who are captains of their own respective crews.
The only way you can argue Luffy was definitively superior to Law back then is by using Doffy's statement about Luffy having more potential due to already unlocking Conq Haki, but that's not relevant unless he could use ACoC, which he can't.
