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[Charlotte Horchata]

How’re they pirates ?

1) The system of Shichibukai is explicitly described as a group of pirates whose piracy is sanctioned. They are still performing as pirates, but they receive protection by giving part of their benefits to the government.

2) Active Shichibukai such as Crocodile and Law have been introduced as pirates in their official boxes.

3) Active Shichibukai such as Hancock are addressed as pirates in their epithets.

4) Active Shichibukai such as Crocodile have referred to themselves as pirates.

5) Tons of characters refer to them as pirates.

Of course a warlord is a pirate. The concept of "privateer" doesn't even exclude the concept of "pirate" to begin with as many real world privateers were still considered pirates by countries who didn't agree with other governments's policies.

 

[Red Admiral]

Zoro > Pirate King

Zoro WILL fail to surpass Roger and Xebec ... that's a given
and
I doubt he will surpass Shanks ... but I'm open to it


Zoro wank need to know some limit ... Kaido is that limit

 

[Rukusho]

manga called them pirates over 100 times I guess .... denying that is beyond the realm of bullshit

vivre cards said what we all know that Shanks is not highest sword master in the world but 2nd in that term. vivre cards never told us Mihawk was above Shanks in anything but sword skill ...

Makes 0 sense - it fully states Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks.

Not for someone stronger than shanks in swordsmanship or sword skill just overall stronger.

Funny how you’re coming at @Reborn but then using semantics when it comes to Shanks and Mihawk

 

[Luffy is the mc]

First yonko to go down by a bunch of supernovas not in their prime. Nah he ain't doing shit against EOS Zoro, he ain't touching EOS Luffy.
He'd be even lucky if he can defeat EOS Sanji

Kaido was traumatized by a subordinate of the pirate king and you're telling me he will be stronger than the next pirate king? Big big doubts here

Eos Zoro would cut some nice dragon pieces for Sanji to cook some good steaks.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

How’re they pirates ?
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@Sword God Ryuma

here’s the translation from Stephen Paul regarding what Zoro’s says.

<Zoro: Boys this, girls that!! You better not use that as a cop-out when I beat you, someday!!!
It makes me look like an idiot for training my hardest everyday just to beat you!! So don't talk like that!!!
Let's make a promise!!!
Someday, either you or I will be the world's strongest swordsman!!
We'll race to see who can do it first!
<<Kuina: ...you idiot...!!
You're such a weakling.
IT'S A PROMISE.

Bro stop writing your own story

How’re they pirates ?
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@Sword God Ryuma

here’s the translation from Stephen Paul regarding what Zoro’s says.

<Zoro: Boys this, girls that!! You better not use that as a cop-out when I beat you, someday!!!
It makes me look like an idiot for training my hardest everyday just to beat you!! So don't talk like that!!!
Let's make a promise!!!
Someday, either you or I will be the world's strongest swordsman!!
We'll race to see who can do it first!
<<Kuina: ...you idiot...!!
You're such a weakling.
IT'S A PROMISE.

Stop writing your own story

And thats the viz of the Zoro panel

 

[nik87]

WSC>WSM>WSS are the only clear things when it comes to powerscaling.
While EoS strength of characters doesnt necessarily place them above Kaido, it doesnt necessarily place them below him either.
It is up to Oda to decide the power inflation at EoS. Imo, Kaido will remain the strongest ever.

 

[Finalbeta]

Zoro's final goal is Mihawk but Ryuma is also his inspirational model. All we know for now is that he will surpass Mihawk but we don't know to which degree he will surpass him.

I expect that Mihawk is still stronger than Kaido, I don't buy the translations yet until I will be seeing his true power.

Regardless Zoro is going to defeat Kaido, that much is very likely for all the portrayal that went around Zoro and Wano.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Zoro WILL fail to surpass Roger and Xebec ... that's a given
and
I doubt he will surpass Shanks ... but I'm open to it


Zoro wank need to know some limit ... Kaido is that limit

Ryuma>Roger so Zoro can surpass them

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Warlords aren’t pirates, they’re more like privateers for the government.

secondly if you’re bringing up the ace novel but also ignoring the vivre cards which state Mihawk > Shanks.

There’s so much wrong in the op thread it’s giving me a headache.
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They’re more privateers then a pirate.

Why would the government freeze their bounty ?

They’re freaking introduction on chapter 69 says they are PIRATES allied with the World Government.

how the heck are they not pirates.

 

[Rukusho]

1) The system of Shichibukai is explicitly described as a group of pirates whose piracy is sanctioned. They are still performing as pirates, but they receive protection by giving part of their benefits to the government.

2) Active Shichibukai such as Crocodile and Law have been introduced as pirates in their official boxes.

3) Active Shichibukai such as Hancock are addressed as pirates in their epithets.

4) Active Shichibukai such as Crocodile have referred to themselves as pirates.

5) Tons of characters refer to them as pirates.

Of course a warlord is a pirate. The concept of "privateer" doesn't even exclude the concept of "pirate" to begin with as many real world privateers were still considered pirates by countries who didn't agree with other governments's policies.

1.) Yes. They are behaving like pirates but they are no longer officially pirates - hence why other pirates refer to them as government dogs who’ve given up piracy.

2.) no they weren’t they’re introduced as schibukai

3.) that’s an moniker - why would the government not want a famous pirate and remove their renowned name - doesn’t make sense.

4.) provide a scan please

5.) Other pirates refer to them as Government Dogs - but I’m sure there are times they are referred to as a pirate
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Bro stop writing your own story

Stop writing your own story

And thats the viz of the Zoro panel

Doesn’t matter if it’s “Viz” the person that matters is Stephen Paul.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

1.) Yes. They are behaving like pirates but they are no longer officially pirates - hence why other pirates refer to them as government dogs who’ve given up piracy.

2.) no they weren’t they’re introduced as schibukai

3.) that’s an moniker - why would the government not want a famous pirate and remove their renowned name - doesn’t make sense.

4.) provide a scan please

5.) Other pirates refer to them as Government Dogs - but I’m sure there are times they are referred to as a pirate
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Doesn’t matter if it’s “Viz” the person that matters is Stephen Paul.

Funny how you didn't address the Warlord panel. Lol 😆 bodied. Viz is Viz and its official. Stephen Paul got Oden only cutting Kaido with one sword wrong. Has long has i provide an official source get out of my face bro

 

[CbShadow]

You have to be joking right. Commander and veteran level fighters were giving Kaido PTSD. He was even hoping they would kill him and would have been satisfied with that.

Kaido only seen to be the strongest or near that level because he supposed to have a body that can't be hurt which he now know is BS. If commander and veteran level fighters can hurt him then admiral and Yonko level fighters should be able to do the same. The fact he has only be seriously injured by Oden means Oden is the only high level fighter Kaido fought or it is just BS writing.

When Kaido is killed this by Zoro he will lose that pstrongest title quick because a lot of fans don't want Zoro to be that strong.

Think about this. Right now, in the story, they are facing Kaido and Big Mom. Not later when the Straw hats and others will be stronger.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

You have to be joking right. Commander and veteran level fighters were giving Kaido PTSD. He was even hoping they would kill him and would have been satisfied with that.

Kaido only seen to be the strongest or near that level because he supposed to have a body that can't be hurt which he now know is BS. If commander and veteran level fighters can hurt him then admiral and Yonko level fighters should be able to do the same. The fact he has only be seriously injured by Oden means Oden is the only high level fighter Kaido fought or it is just BS writing.

When Kaido is killed this by Zoro he will lose that pstrongest title quick because a lot of fans don't want Zoro to be that strong.

Think about this. Right now, in the story, they are facing Kaido and Big Mom. Not later when the Straw hats and others will be stronger.

Commander level and vetern level can hurt any youkou or admiral.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

1.) Yes. They are behaving like pirates but they are no longer officially pirates - hence why other pirates refer to them as government dogs who’ve given up piracy.

"Official pirate" is a concept you just made up. They are explicitly described as pirates in their current condition and their deal with the government consist on benefiting the institution with their piracy. Even then, an unofficial pirate would still be a pirate.

2.) no they weren’t they’re introduced as schibukai

They are both introduced as something like "A member of the Ouka Shichibukai. THE PIRATE Crocodile/Trafalgar Law".

3.) that’s an moniker - why would the government not want a famous pirate and remove their renowned name - doesn’t make sense.

Hancock has other renowned names that don't explicit her condition as a pirate. The reason why she's still addressed as Pirate Empress is because she's an active pirate.

4.) provide a scan please

I won't look it up for you. It's the panel in which Crocodile assures that he's a completely different kind of pirate than Luffy because he's down-to-earth instead of a dreamer.

5.) Other pirates refer to them as Government Dogs - but I’m sure there are times they are referred to as a pirate

A government dog can be a pirate too. The very reason why they are addressed as dogs instead of employees is because they are pirates who don't respect the ideals followed by the rest of pirates and try to chase them, therefore "traitors" within piracy.

So I'll repeat:

-System described as made up by pirates who perform sanctioned piracy, but piracy still.

-Addressed themselves as pirates.

-Introduced as pirates in official boxes.

-Use epithets describing a pirate condition.

-Addressed as pirates by tons of characters either directly (Smoker, Cavendish, Fujitora, Kizaru, Doflamingo, Sengoku, Rocinante, Kuzan, Tashigi, Brannew...) or indirectly (such as Smoker saying that Dressrosa became an island of pirates because of Doflamingo's reign, Buggy being the captain of a company of pirate mercenaries, Bellamy saying he wants to be a member of Doffy's pirate crew or Monet claiming that his captain will raise to Pirate King).

Should I go on? How come they aren't pirates?

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Eos Zoro>Kaido

 

[HA001]

"Official pirate" is a concept you just made up. They are explicitly described as pirates in their current condition and their deal with the government consist on benefiting the institution with their piracy. Even then, an unofficial pirate would still be a pirate.



They are both introduced as something like "A member of the Ouka Shichibukai. THE PIRATE Crocodile/Trafalgar Law".



Hancock has other renowned names that don't explicit her condition as a pirate. The reason why she's still addressed as Pirate Empress is because she's an active pirate.



I won't look it up for you. It's the panel in which Crocodile assures that he's a completely different kind of pirate than Luffy because he's down-to-earth instead of a dreamer.



A government dog can be a pirate too. The very reason why they are addressed as dogs instead of employees is because they are pirates who don't respect the ideals followed by the rest of pirates and try to chase them, therefore "traitors" within piracy.

So I'll repeat:

-System described as made up by pirates who perform sanctioned piracy, but piracy still.

-Addressed themselves as pirates.

-Introduced as pirates in official boxes.

-Use epithets describing a pirate condition.

-Addressed as pirates by tons of characters either directly (Smoker, Cavendish, Fujitora, Kizaru, Doflamingo, Sengoku, Rocinante, Kuzan, Tashigi, Brannew...) or indirectly (such as Smoker saying that Dressrosa became an island of pirates because of Doflamingo's reign, Buggy being the captain of a company of pirate mercenaries, Bellamy saying he wants to be a member of Doffy's pirate crew or Monet claiming that his captain will raise to Pirate King).

Should I go on? How come they aren't pirates?

Except mihawk doesnt fit any of them.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Except mihawk doesnt fit any of them.

The moment Mihawk is a member of the Shichibukai, the moment he's a pirate. The group has been addressed as a bunch of pirates at least three times that I recall in which Mihawk was explicitly mentioned or shown. He certainly is considered as such.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Except mihawk doesnt fit any of them.

What you mean.

 

[Formerly Seth]

FA FA FA FA.

 

[HA001]

The moment Mihawk is a member of the Shichibukai, the moment he's a pirate. The group has been addressed as a bunch of pirates at least three times that I recall in which Mihawk was explicitly mentioned or shown. He certainly is considered as such.

Has he ever been called a pirate outside the bubble of warlords ?

He doesnt even have a jolly roger the standard of being a pirate.

The definition of being a pirate is looting others which he doesnt do.

Nothing of what mihawk does is "being a pirate"