Character Discussion EoS Zoro will NOT surpass or be comparable to Ryuma
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But we know that Gorosei themselves get involved when needed and we know Imu himself can get involved when shit hits the fan
there’s a level of escalation of how much the WG would get involved if they feel like it
for example, if they thought that Pluton was in Wano, I bet the WG would go all out
whatever it is the WG tried, nothing they did went passed this one guy… I do not see Zoro ever reaching the level of strength that you can make such a statement as “whatever the WG did, they could not get passed Zoro”
there’s a level of escalation of how much the WG would get involved if they feel like it
for example, if they thought that Pluton was in Wano, I bet the WG would go all out
whatever it is the WG tried, nothing they did went passed this one guy… I do not see Zoro ever reaching the level of strength that you can make such a statement as “whatever the WG did, they could not get passed Zoro”
I don't see Imu pulling up for few HK dying, he didn't even do that shit when Joyboy (Luffy) was in Egghead. I can see some of the Elders pulling up after the HK requests strong backups because of Ryuma but that's about it. Even Pluton at first might not have brought Imu in unless all Gorosei die and they felt like it. Zoro will defo reach that level, there simply won't be a WG nor will they have a reason to attack whatever Island EoS Zoro decides to make his home.
How though, people in OP get stronger by winning fights with strong opponents
for Zoro to get on Ryuma’s level, there has to be someone alive in OP that is so strong that you need to be Ryuma level to defeat them… and I like Mihawk as much as the next guy but there’s no indication that Mihawk is that guy
Like Mihawk is strong but Ryuma is compared to Joyboy. Beating Mihawk doesn’t seem like it’s a feat that puts you on Joyboy levels. Unless you think Mihawk is Pirate king level himself
for Zoro to get on Ryuma’s level, there has to be someone alive in OP that is so strong that you need to be Ryuma level to defeat them… and I like Mihawk as much as the next guy but there’s no indication that Mihawk is that guy
Like Mihawk is strong but Ryuma is compared to Joyboy. Beating Mihawk doesn’t seem like it’s a feat that puts you on Joyboy levels. Unless you think Mihawk is Pirate king level himself
Correct. Because Imu defeated Joyboy so Luffy beating Imu automatically puts Luffy above Joyboy
you need a comparable opponent for the feat to stick
Like Mihawk is strong but Ryuma is compared to Joyboy. Beating Mihawk doesn’t seem like it’s a feat that puts you on Joyboy levels. Unless you think Mihawk is Pirate king level himself
There is no one for Zoro to fight to put him on Ruyuma level MUCH LESS ABOVE Ryuma level
you need a comparable opponent for the feat to stick
Like Mihawk is strong but Ryuma is compared to Joyboy. Beating Mihawk doesn’t seem like it’s a feat that puts you on Joyboy levels. Unless you think Mihawk is Pirate king level himself
There is no one for Zoro to fight to put him on Ruyuma level MUCH LESS ABOVE Ryuma level
Okay. If you believe Mihawk is that strong then I can’t say it’s impossible
this thread is about more than Power scaling too. Another big issue with Zoro surpassing Ryuma is that Ryuma is more of a Luffy parallel than a Zoro parallel
Oda is very clear that Luffy takes precedence over Zoro in these situations. For example with Oden. Oden was also both a Luffy parallel and a Zoro parallel and Oda even gave Zoro some Oden-like feats like scarring Kaido but the person who surpassed Oden in Wano was ultimately Luffy. It’s even still debatable whether Current Elbaf Zoro is even on Oden level yet
another such example is Loki. Loki is both a Luffy and Zoro parallel too. And yet I bet Oda will most focus on the Luffy parallels and only Luffy will surpass Loki.
Oda is extremely biased and when Ryuma is compared to Joyboy, and Joyboy is Luffy’s last Benchmark, it’s highly unlikely that Zoro will be ANYWHERE NEAR this level EoS
this thread is about more than Power scaling too. Another big issue with Zoro surpassing Ryuma is that Ryuma is more of a Luffy parallel than a Zoro parallel
Oda is very clear that Luffy takes precedence over Zoro in these situations. For example with Oden. Oden was also both a Luffy parallel and a Zoro parallel and Oda even gave Zoro some Oden-like feats like scarring Kaido but the person who surpassed Oden in Wano was ultimately Luffy. It’s even still debatable whether Current Elbaf Zoro is even on Oden level yet
another such example is Loki. Loki is both a Luffy and Zoro parallel too. And yet I bet Oda will most focus on the Luffy parallels and only Luffy will surpass Loki.
Oda is extremely biased and when Ryuma is compared to Joyboy, and Joyboy is Luffy’s last Benchmark, it’s highly unlikely that Zoro will be ANYWHERE NEAR this level EoS
I don't see what says Zoro can't surpass some of Luffy's parallels? Zoro forging a black blade is a much if not more of a parallel than Luffy saving Wano, both of those feats were part of Ryuma's various legends. Zoro might not surpass Loki this arc but when all said is done he'll be decently stronger than him. Oden case was simply that it was more than Oden, with Luffy being the new Joyboy he had to be the one to take Kaido out along with Zoro not even unlocking ACoC or having ryuo control when he did those feats.
Zoro hasn’t surpassed Oden to this day. And he’s likely not going to be anywhere near Loki
Forging black blades is no longer Ryuma’s best feat. In Wano, Forging a black blade is presented as a feat not even Oden achieved. So now Zoro forging a black blade is more an indicator that he surpassed Oden than reached Ryuma level
At this moment, Ryuma’s big feat is the entire Fighting off the world government. This was statement that was made all the way back in like 2018 when we readers had no idea how much of a feat that statement was. No one cared back then since we didn’t know Imu existed or the Gorosei could fight or the holy knights. That statement didn’t even register as a feat in 2018.
now it’s utterly ridiculous. The notion that one man can stop the entire WG from entering Wano and then even after Ryuma’s death, the feat that there could be anyone as strong as Ryuma in Wano STILL kept the WG from entering. Like you have to remember that hundreds of years passed without the Government even attempting to go back to Wano simply because they didn’t know whether another Ryuma level guy was there so they couldn’t even risk trying.
this is beyond ridiculous. This beyond Roger or Rocks or Any Yonko or Mihawk. That’s why at the end of Wano Oda started comparing Ryuma to Joyboy. And then in Egghead Oda directly demonstrates that a Joyboy level character can in fact STOMP the Gorosei 1v5. So Ryuma’s feat is in fact directly comparable to Joyboy.
I cannot for the life of me ever imagine Zoro anywhere close to this. The only way of making Zoro comparable to Ryuma is to make Ryuma MUCH LESS impressive than he is being implied to be. As in Oda would have to directly show that Ryuma didn’t actually fight anyone strong and he’s not anywhere near Joyboy for EoS Zoro to comparable
Forging black blades is no longer Ryuma’s best feat. In Wano, Forging a black blade is presented as a feat not even Oden achieved. So now Zoro forging a black blade is more an indicator that he surpassed Oden than reached Ryuma level
At this moment, Ryuma’s big feat is the entire Fighting off the world government. This was statement that was made all the way back in like 2018 when we readers had no idea how much of a feat that statement was. No one cared back then since we didn’t know Imu existed or the Gorosei could fight or the holy knights. That statement didn’t even register as a feat in 2018.
now it’s utterly ridiculous. The notion that one man can stop the entire WG from entering Wano and then even after Ryuma’s death, the feat that there could be anyone as strong as Ryuma in Wano STILL kept the WG from entering. Like you have to remember that hundreds of years passed without the Government even attempting to go back to Wano simply because they didn’t know whether another Ryuma level guy was there so they couldn’t even risk trying.
this is beyond ridiculous. This beyond Roger or Rocks or Any Yonko or Mihawk. That’s why at the end of Wano Oda started comparing Ryuma to Joyboy. And then in Egghead Oda directly demonstrates that a Joyboy level character can in fact STOMP the Gorosei 1v5. So Ryuma’s feat is in fact directly comparable to Joyboy.
I cannot for the life of me ever imagine Zoro anywhere close to this. The only way of making Zoro comparable to Ryuma is to make Ryuma MUCH LESS impressive than he is being implied to be. As in Oda would have to directly show that Ryuma didn’t actually fight anyone strong and he’s not anywhere near Joyboy for EoS Zoro to comparable
All you have to do is sit back and wait.
If WB and Kaido were portrayed as the strongest in their parts of the story, it will be the same for Mihawk.
And this is his part of the story, all WS title holders got one part each. And in this part we have focus on Joyboy and Imu and even Davy Jones. When Mihawk's time comes, people like Joyboy and Ryuma will look like ants.
Zoro's strongest possible opponent was always intended to be someone in the present, not someone dead long time ago. Common sense.
If WB and Kaido were portrayed as the strongest in their parts of the story, it will be the same for Mihawk.
And this is his part of the story, all WS title holders got one part each. And in this part we have focus on Joyboy and Imu and even Davy Jones. When Mihawk's time comes, people like Joyboy and Ryuma will look like ants.
Zoro's strongest possible opponent was always intended to be someone in the present, not someone dead long time ago. Common sense.
