General & Others Everything wrong with Zoro vs King

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Herrera95

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I was recently re-reading the Zoro vs King fight and I noticed some key things that could have made the fight better.

First of all is this

King uses his fire sword for the first time to burn his allies. And then he doesn't use it again until the very end of the fight. This is nonsense. Is like when Katakuri killed his allies for seeing his face and then not using his spear to attack Luffy next.



Then this. The laserbeamlike attack of King that seemed pretty effective against Zoro amd then he never used again (specially without his outfit). We saw by both Zoro and Luffy how unlocking CoC coating also boosted their speed and reaction. So it would be good to see Zoro reacting better to that attack after his power up.


This explosion was also an interesting attack that we could have see how powered up Zoro would deal with. Would King feel nothing? Would Zoro have "tanked" (with haki) better?



Two other moves Oda could have show Zoro surpassing that he failed before during the fight.

And of course if Zoro could harm King while flames were on.
 
L57

L57

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Herrera95 said:
I was recently re-reading the Zoro vs King fight and I noticed some key things that could have made the fight better.

First of all is this

King uses his fire sword for the first time to burn his allies. And then he doesn't use it again until the very end of the fight. This is nonsense. Is like when Katakuri killed his allies for seeing his face and then not using his spear to attack Luffy next.



Then this. The laserbeamlike attack of King that seemed pretty effective against Zoro amd then he never used again (specially without his outfit). We saw by both Zoro and Luffy how unlocking CoC coating also boosted their speed and reaction. So it would be good to see Zoro reacting better to that attack after his power up.


This explosion was also an interesting attack that we could have see how powered up Zoro would deal with. Would King feel nothing? Would Zoro have "tanked" (with haki) better?



Two other moves Oda could have show Zoro surpassing that he failed before during the fight.

And of course if Zoro could harm King while flames were on.
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Zoro vs king is a shit fight
This happens when the author focuses only on the mc
Fight had 1 double spread in all the ch
 
Crow

Crow

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I agree, lots of missed opportunities.

The only feasible explanation is that his fighting style at the end is his strongest style. Just like doffy went 100% awakening mode at the end.

King simply lacks the versatility kaido showed by situational switching between forms mid fight.
It also shows us how useless and retard king's devil fruit ability is. His default wings and base body seem to be more efficient than an ancient zoan in hybrid mode. A stupid choice by Oda and a lost opportunity to really show a versatile lunarian with a dangerously complementing df ability.
 
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Herrera95

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L57 said:
Zoro vs king is a shit fight
This happens when the author focuses only on the mc
Fight had 1 double spread in all the ch
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It is a great fight that could have being perfect with those adds.
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Warine said:
This man is a fan of dragon ball and he didn't produce one good fight, what did you expect exactly?
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Oda has several good fights.
 
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Herrera95

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Crow said:
I agree, lots of missed opportunities.

The only feasible explanation is that his fighting style at the end is his strongest style. Just like doffy went 100% awakening mode at the end.

King simply lacks the versatility kaido showed by situational switching between forms mid fight.
It also shows us how useless and retard king's devil fruit ability is. His default wings and base body seem to be more efficient than an ancient zoan in hybrid mode. A stupid choice by Oda and a lost opportunity to really show a versatile lunarian with a dangerously complementing df ability.
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I disagree a bit.

I think he showed versatility. He has a sword that counters swordsman by removing the sword from them. He can fight with his Zoan wings. Zoan beak. He can put fire on his sword and attack with it. He can explode himself without making any damage to him. He can use his wings to protect himself. He alternates between tank mod and speed mode.

What I think is that Oda showed much more of King versatility before the climax of the max that was chapter 1035. So he looks kinda of dumb in that chapter.
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L57 said:
Started ok and went to shit
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No way.
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Slow turn-based fight = shit fight

All of the greatest fights in One Piece are high-speed, the combatants on pins & needles with no time to draw out something exaggerated and flashy, like King & Zoro did the entire fight






Doesn't really help that Zoro is mostly a sitting duck with intermitten periods of speed but otherwise no flight, no air prowess.

In the end Zoro fans got what they wanted

We all missed out on this


but hey at least we got to see Zoro and King take turns throwing DBZ aura colorbombs at each other every 5 minutes :feelsokeman:
 
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Foul Legacy

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Oda had to keep it short , unlike other fight where fight for half an hour to hours...
Thus fight was probably around 5-10 minutes.
It couldn't be dragged further than that due to Mink medicine side effects.
Oda did what he could , instead of showing the same attack again , Oda choose to increase the arsenal for King.
 
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Herrera95

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Germinator said:
Slow turn-based fight = shit fight

All of the greatest fights in One Piece are high-speed, the combatants on pins & needles with no time to draw out something exaggerated and flashy, like King & Zoro did the entire fight






Doesn't really help that Zoro is mostly a sitting duck with intermitten periods of speed but otherwise no flight, no air prowess.

In the end Zoro fans got what they wanted

We all missed out on this


but hey at least we got to see Zoro and King take turns throwing DBZ aura colorbombs at each other every 5 minutes :feelsokeman:
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Foul Legacy said:
Oda had to keep it short , unlike other fight where fight for half an hour to hours...
Thus fight was probably around 5-10 minutes.
It couldn't be dragged further than that due to Mink medicine side effects.
Oda did what he could , instead of showing the same attack again , Oda choose to increase the arsenal for King.
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Fair. Maybe an extended chapter? I also believe Oda wanted both Sanji and Zoro to have an easy fight after their awakenings (Sanji not so easy) and therefore if Queen and King lasted more than one chapter after that it wouldn't make sense to have 2 chapters of protagonists dominating the fight.
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Herrera95 said:
uses his fire sword for the first time to burn his allies. And then he doesn't use it again until the very end of the fight.
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King uses Karyudon 3x times in this chapter if you count his Omori variant? If you mean why didn't King use this before chap. #1035, it's because he was toying with Zoro. Whether you like that or not is subjective.

Herrera95 said:
(specially without his outfit).
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Yeah—he was using stronger moves, but he did use Tempuradon twice?
Herrera95 said:
This explosion was also an interesting attack that we could have see how powered up Zoro would deal with. Would King feel nothing? Would Zoro have "tanked" (with haki) better?
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But why? Zoro with much weaker haki could tank it and put up a guard in time. I guess it could be interesting if the choreography allowed for King to open up a vulnerability in Zoro's defense... But there's no reason to test Zoro's Conquerors haki against this attack when his armament managed to keep him alive?

Herrera95 said:
Two other moves Oda could have show Zoro surpassing that he failed before during the fight.
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I didn't know Zoro had to surpass every specific move King had lol
 
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Herrera95

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TheAncientCenturion said:
King uses Karyudon 3x times in this chapter if you count his Omori variant? If you mean why didn't King use this before chap. #1035, it's because he was toying with Zoro. Whether you like that or not is subjective.
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Like I said he only used at the very end. He used against his allies and then he turned animal and used his warplane weapons (wtf that shit).

TheAncientCenturion said:
Yeah—he was using stronger moves, but he did use Tempuradon twice?
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???

TheAncientCenturion said:
But why? Zoro with much weaker haki could tank it and put up a guard in time. I guess it could be interesting if the choreography allowed for King to open up a vulnerability in Zoro's defense... But there's no reason to test Zoro's Conquerors haki against this attack when his armament managed to keep him alive?
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The key thing is Zoro only reaction was to protect himself. What if now (also knowing that he can defend himself from it) he also hurt King (specially because he would be stabbing him with CoC coating)?

TheAncientCenturion said:
I didn't know Zoro had to surpass every specific move King had lol
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He doesn't have to but would be interesting if he did. Against Daz Bone the whole thing was to be able to harm him. Against Kaku he negated his strongest attack. Against Ryuuma he won a clash with his strongest attack too. It is a pattern. The thing is King previously showed some attacks that Zoro couldn't handle or barely handled while the others didn't.
 
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