Questions & Mysteries Explain to me this dear hypocrites

gz89

gz89

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#23
#23
[No Name] said:
I don't wanna push queen as nigh equal of king.
But why should Sengoku be.

Why feats don't matter only when they prove gaban is above sengoku

Why Sengoku stending next to Garp against an enemy matter but king and queen doesn't.
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Because King, Kata, Marco share the same thing, they stand out from the rest of the group with their gimmick. The gap is not huge, but it is there.

Sengoku's position, WB's words, etc. are a good indication to put him on equal footing with Garp.
 
TheAncientCenturion

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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#24
#24
gz89 said:
Because King, Kata, Marco share the same thing, they stand out from the rest of the group with their gimmick. The gap is not huge, but it is there.

Sengoku's position, WB's words, etc. are a good indication to put him on equal footing with Garp.
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Tbh this is just Queen upscale since King has so many undeniable parallels to Katakuri, Marco and Zoro.

It means Queen pushes all of them to high diff
 
HeroesNZ

HeroesNZ

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#28
#28
Bro was so pressed he made a whole thread lol.

Comparing characters who have gone all-out to characters who are nigh-featless is foolish.

King and Queen had comparable portrayal until they went all-out and turns out King was way stronger.

Garp and Sengoku have comparable portrayal until Sengoku gets his feats then we'll see how they compare to Garp's. It's not that hard.

Ain't no one saying Garp = Sengoku, Garp has superior portrayal; but they've clearly been portrayed to be of a similar ballpark until feats suggest otherwise. Furthermore, even without Garp, Sengoku has high top-tier portrayal as Fleet Admiral so yes, I'd quite obviously put him above Roger's number 3.

Gaban didn't even do anything crazy, all he did was low-diff a high-tier after sneaking him. If you think Sengoku can't low-diff Sommers then idk what to tell you.
 
soupongo

soupongo

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#31
#31
Stop comparing Sengoku to Rayleigh/Queen/Sanji etc

He is Garps boss, to some reasonable extent he would be expected to check Garp and stop him if he becomes a threat to the government. He mentioned this himself, and we saw him stop Garp in MF already, and he´s even threatened to kill the guy
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#33
#33
[No Name] said:
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of the average One Piece fan. I'm truly exhausted by this. They go so far as to say, "No, King and Queen are not comparable in strength." Absolutely not, even though many characters put them side-by-side in their statements. And there are also literally panels that they constantly share. They fight the same opponent together. But in that case, no, the two characters aren't comparable. King and Queen are not comparable in the slightest, no.

In that situation, they argue that King, because of certain feats, is several tiers above Queen. However, the moment Garp and Sengoku face Shiki, the moment they are mentioned together in a few sentences, Garp and Sengoku are magically on the exact same level. Or at least Sengoku is extremely close to Garp. That's what I've been told. And I'll even use this user's quotes, because I'm so tired of this hypocrisy, of this double standard.

Then they argue: "No, a character's portrayal isn't enough. The statements don't count." He claims that Queen and King are two obstacles of the same difficulty level. Marco's statement, where he places them as two extremely strong pirates due to their bounties, without making any distinction between them, that doesn't count. No proximity in power level is implied there.

But then, on the other hand, all it takes is for Whitebeard to mention Sengoku. All it takes is for Roger to do it. By the way, Roger simply says that Sengoku and Garp are both fun compared to the average Marine, who is insignificant to him. It absolutely does not mean that Sengoku and Garp are on the same level. It simply means Sengoku is at a level where he can be entertaining for him. And it's the same kind of phrase Luffy uses in Udon, as I've already shown you many times.

But here too, no, it doesn't count, fine. Zoro fans go so far as to argue that Sanji cannot be close to Zoro in any way because he lacks the feats, the visual feats. Then Gaban comes along and, as Puck on Worst Gen tells us, has insane feats, literally. Despite this, despite Gaban having visually much more impressive feats than Sengoku and others, no, suddenly the point is that Sengoku's feat is somewhat trivial. Suddenly, because of this, Sengoku is placed higher, and for that person, Gaban is always the weakest top-tier of the previous generation.

Regardless, it doesn't matter what he does. It doesn't matter. First, they demanded feats of strength. Now that Gaban literally shows several applications of advanced Haki that other characters can only dream of—I haven't seen Shiki, I haven't seen Sengoku use advanced Observation Haki—suddenly, feats don't matter. Suddenly, what matters is that Sengoku appears next to Garp a few times.

But be careful, God forbid you say Queen appears next to King. It's the exact same damn thing. The gap between Garp and Sengoku is most likely the same as the one between King and Queen. So people need to make up their minds and estimate what the difference between them is. Because these are the elements that place Sengoku close to Garp. But in reality, we know very well they are not equals, because otherwise Kong wouldn't have bothered Garp, pulling him from his summer vacation on a so-called remote island to take part in a legendary battle, where Sengoku, what a coincidence, was not present to do what, nobody knows.

I simply deduce he wasn't of the same caliber or up to the task like Garp was, who indeed has a much more legendary reputation. Even when he sits on the throne at Marineford, it's not true that Sengoku is exactly equal to Garp. No, it's simply true that Sengoku stands out from the admirals of the time, whose names we don't know, as a figure who still managed to... to still give some trouble to Whitebeard and Roger.
But it's also worth mentioning that Tsuru is put in the same sentences with Sengoku, and the Vivre Cards even define Tsuru as being on par with Sengoku, just saying. So, these things should be taken with a grain of salt. It's never a simple case of parity. That's right, more precisely: Sengoku is on par with Garp in the same way Tsuru is on par with Sengoku, basically.

Some messages I wanna mention :


Goated message



Message that I don't get since vivrecard and even manga say that Tsuru is a comparable legend and strength to Sengoku (literally same sentence people use for Ray and WB) and she was for sure below admirals like the one Rocks off screened.
So idk, why should Sengoku be super equal to Garp and not like the same kind of equal that Gaban is to Roger?
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Sengoku is not close to Garp because he stood next to him lol
Sengoku is close to Garp because they fought at similar level against similar opponents

Where as King fought the guy who can low diff Sanji
King required AdvCoC to win
Queen required Judge's failed experiment
 
Nidai_Kitetsu

Nidai_Kitetsu

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#34
#34
LMAO, bro got mad just because I said Gaban gets carried by the Zoro–Sanji gag rivalry.

Elder Lee Hung said:
King and Queen are absolutely equals or near equals, you would need a psychologist to explain why Zolo fans are obsessed with King being stronger
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Paragorn said:
King and Queen are clearly portrayaled as equals.
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Its always the admiraltards, isnt it? Never fail to be the dumbest in the room
 
Zaretball

Zaretball

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#37
#37
Just keep it simple, King and Queen have similar levels, it's no mystery why Oda placed their bounty so close, there is no gag or deep meaning. Sengoku and Garp are also treated on similar level; in fact, there's no way to know who is stronger between the two, other than simple guesses. No author writes a story so you can microanalyze feats and make a statistical table out of it.
 
langitbarat

langitbarat

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#38
#38
Sanji can't be 100% or 99% or very close to Zoro in powerlevel/strength because Sanji has a lot of things that Zoro doesn't.

Zoro's only thing is powerlevel/strength, if Sanji were to be very close, it's unfair to Zoro / it will undermine & overshadow Zoro.
 
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