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I'm tired of the hypocrisy of the average One Piece fan. I'm truly exhausted by this. They go so far as to say, "No, King and Queen are not comparable in strength." Absolutely not, even though many characters put them side-by-side in their statements. And there are also literally panels that they constantly share. They fight the same opponent together. But in that case, no, the two characters aren't comparable. King and Queen are not comparable in the slightest, no.
In that situation, they argue that King, because of certain feats, is several tiers above Queen. However, the moment Garp and Sengoku face Shiki, the moment they are mentioned together in a few sentences, Garp and Sengoku are magically on the exact same level. Or at least Sengoku is extremely close to Garp. That's what I've been told. And I'll even use this user's quotes, because I'm so tired of this hypocrisy, of this double standard.
Then they argue: "No, a character's portrayal isn't enough. The statements don't count." He claims that Queen and King are two obstacles of the same difficulty level. Marco's statement, where he places them as two extremely strong pirates due to their bounties, without making any distinction between them, that doesn't count. No proximity in power level is implied there.
But then, on the other hand, all it takes is for Whitebeard to mention Sengoku. All it takes is for Roger to do it. By the way, Roger simply says that Sengoku and Garp are both fun compared to the average Marine, who is insignificant to him. It absolutely does not mean that Sengoku and Garp are on the same level. It simply means Sengoku is at a level where he can be entertaining for him. And it's the same kind of phrase Luffy uses in Udon, as I've already shown you many times.
But here too, no, it doesn't count, fine. Zoro fans go so far as to argue that Sanji cannot be close to Zoro in any way because he lacks the feats, the visual feats. Then Gaban comes along and, as Puck on Worst Gen tells us, has insane feats, literally. Despite this, despite Gaban having visually much more impressive feats than Sengoku and others, no, suddenly the point is that Sengoku's feat is somewhat trivial. Suddenly, because of this, Sengoku is placed higher, and for that person, Gaban is always the weakest top-tier of the previous generation.
Regardless, it doesn't matter what he does. It doesn't matter. First, they demanded feats of strength. Now that Gaban literally shows several applications of advanced Haki that other characters can only dream of—I haven't seen Shiki, I haven't seen Sengoku use advanced Observation Haki—suddenly, feats don't matter. Suddenly, what matters is that Sengoku appears next to Garp a few times.
But be careful, God forbid you say Queen appears next to King. It's the exact same damn thing. The gap between Garp and Sengoku is most likely the same as the one between King and Queen. So people need to make up their minds and estimate what the difference between them is. Because these are the elements that place Sengoku close to Garp. But in reality, we know very well they are not equals, because otherwise Kong wouldn't have bothered Garp, pulling him from his summer vacation on a so-called remote island to take part in a legendary battle, where Sengoku, what a coincidence, was not present to do what, nobody knows.
I simply deduce he wasn't of the same caliber or up to the task like Garp was, who indeed has a much more legendary reputation. Even when he sits on the throne at Marineford, it's not true that Sengoku is exactly equal to Garp. No, it's simply true that Sengoku stands out from the admirals of the time, whose names we don't know, as a figure who still managed to... to still give some trouble to Whitebeard and Roger.
But it's also worth mentioning that Tsuru is put in the same sentences with Sengoku, and the Vivre Cards even define Tsuru as being on par with Sengoku, just saying. So, these things should be taken with a grain of salt. It's never a simple case of parity. That's right, more precisely: Sengoku is on par with Garp in the same way Tsuru is on par with Sengoku, basically.
Some messages I wanna mention :
Goated message
Message that I don't get since vivrecard and even manga say that Tsuru is a comparable legend and strength to Sengoku (literally same sentence people use for Ray and WB) and she was for sure below admirals like the one Rocks off screened.
So idk, why should Sengoku be super equal to Garp and not like the same kind of equal that Gaban is to Roger?
In that situation, they argue that King, because of certain feats, is several tiers above Queen. However, the moment Garp and Sengoku face Shiki, the moment they are mentioned together in a few sentences, Garp and Sengoku are magically on the exact same level. Or at least Sengoku is extremely close to Garp. That's what I've been told. And I'll even use this user's quotes, because I'm so tired of this hypocrisy, of this double standard.
Then they argue: "No, a character's portrayal isn't enough. The statements don't count." He claims that Queen and King are two obstacles of the same difficulty level. Marco's statement, where he places them as two extremely strong pirates due to their bounties, without making any distinction between them, that doesn't count. No proximity in power level is implied there.
But then, on the other hand, all it takes is for Whitebeard to mention Sengoku. All it takes is for Roger to do it. By the way, Roger simply says that Sengoku and Garp are both fun compared to the average Marine, who is insignificant to him. It absolutely does not mean that Sengoku and Garp are on the same level. It simply means Sengoku is at a level where he can be entertaining for him. And it's the same kind of phrase Luffy uses in Udon, as I've already shown you many times.
But here too, no, it doesn't count, fine. Zoro fans go so far as to argue that Sanji cannot be close to Zoro in any way because he lacks the feats, the visual feats. Then Gaban comes along and, as Puck on Worst Gen tells us, has insane feats, literally. Despite this, despite Gaban having visually much more impressive feats than Sengoku and others, no, suddenly the point is that Sengoku's feat is somewhat trivial. Suddenly, because of this, Sengoku is placed higher, and for that person, Gaban is always the weakest top-tier of the previous generation.
Regardless, it doesn't matter what he does. It doesn't matter. First, they demanded feats of strength. Now that Gaban literally shows several applications of advanced Haki that other characters can only dream of—I haven't seen Shiki, I haven't seen Sengoku use advanced Observation Haki—suddenly, feats don't matter. Suddenly, what matters is that Sengoku appears next to Garp a few times.
But be careful, God forbid you say Queen appears next to King. It's the exact same damn thing. The gap between Garp and Sengoku is most likely the same as the one between King and Queen. So people need to make up their minds and estimate what the difference between them is. Because these are the elements that place Sengoku close to Garp. But in reality, we know very well they are not equals, because otherwise Kong wouldn't have bothered Garp, pulling him from his summer vacation on a so-called remote island to take part in a legendary battle, where Sengoku, what a coincidence, was not present to do what, nobody knows.
I simply deduce he wasn't of the same caliber or up to the task like Garp was, who indeed has a much more legendary reputation. Even when he sits on the throne at Marineford, it's not true that Sengoku is exactly equal to Garp. No, it's simply true that Sengoku stands out from the admirals of the time, whose names we don't know, as a figure who still managed to... to still give some trouble to Whitebeard and Roger.
But it's also worth mentioning that Tsuru is put in the same sentences with Sengoku, and the Vivre Cards even define Tsuru as being on par with Sengoku, just saying. So, these things should be taken with a grain of salt. It's never a simple case of parity. That's right, more precisely: Sengoku is on par with Garp in the same way Tsuru is on par with Sengoku, basically.
Some messages I wanna mention :
Gag rivalry and not:
- the fact the he's strength is said to be comparable to Roger and Ray
- the fact that he conforms to the same naming set convention as them (i.e. Gold, Silver, Copper)
- the fact that he's a ACoC user and one of "the handful of the very strongest" as some of you on here like to call it
- the fact he is the only Roger Piarte apart from Shanks that's confirmed to be able use future sight
- the fact that he's able to hurt immortals
- the fact that was the only one on Elbaf that was able to sense the Holy Knights (i.e. this includes Yonko Luffy by the way)
- the fact that he scared the shit out of a Yonko in Luffy with a named attack and forced Luffy and Zoro to attempt to 2 v 1 him in their strongest modes
- the fact that he had Sommers scared shitless and quite literally made quick work of him
But yh, gag rivalry
On thread I don't know how Gaban fares against Sengoku but skill set wise he doesn't really fall short to the very strongest top tiers in the series.
- the fact the he's strength is said to be comparable to Roger and Ray
- the fact that he conforms to the same naming set convention as them (i.e. Gold, Silver, Copper)
- the fact that he's a ACoC user and one of "the handful of the very strongest" as some of you on here like to call it
- the fact he is the only Roger Piarte apart from Shanks that's confirmed to be able use future sight
- the fact that he's able to hurt immortals
- the fact that was the only one on Elbaf that was able to sense the Holy Knights (i.e. this includes Yonko Luffy by the way)
- the fact that he scared the shit out of a Yonko in Luffy with a named attack and forced Luffy and Zoro to attempt to 2 v 1 him in their strongest modes
- the fact that he had Sommers scared shitless and quite literally made quick work of him
But yh, gag rivalry
On thread I don't know how Gaban fares against Sengoku but skill set wise he doesn't really fall short to the very strongest top tiers in the series.
Message that I don't get since vivrecard and even manga say that Tsuru is a comparable legend and strength to Sengoku (literally same sentence people use for Ray and WB) and she was for sure below admirals like the one Rocks off screened.
So idk, why should Sengoku be super equal to Garp and not like the same kind of equal that Gaban is to Roger?
