Game 0 : Worst Generation

[Reborn]

Meant to say "blaming rej", got a bit confused by the names.

Oh no issues

Well I already explain in my last post that why I think rej is suspicious. But I will still wait for him to give reasons justifying his actions. Smae goes for TAC.

Your Bogard argument is solid. Let's see how he responds to it.

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You were pretty ambitious by discussing a random early vote, what Kind of answer of naomi did you expected?

Why you edit your post? Why you again shifted to Naomi?

It was not random early vote. Rej is an expert like Naomi. So rej lynching Naomi who hardly was active is definitely suspicious.

Also I didn't ask Naomi an answer to her voting but some doubts. You can cross check it. I will not exercise my vote and lynch someone until my doubts get cleared

 

[Pantheos]

I Need to re-read that naomi-rej part, i got confused by the names, thats why i took the editings.

And still, what else than a random early vote should it be? It is the first day, there are nearly no hints and still, you Need to start discussions. I dont say it is unsuspicious, but in my opinion, it is a random vote and just a small light, which i also noticed for sure.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Before everyone shot the gun, let look more clear into Rej motive when he vote Naomi.

1. He hasn´t other choice and just randolmy choose one user here, for the first day of the game this option is probably the nearst of the all options.

2. He is really a scum and want to kill Naomi, in that case I ask myself one question. Why would a scum/villian make the first move and take all the attention by all players here with voting against Naomi. It doesn´t make any sense, the scums/villians would play safely without risk much, Rej move to directly vote Naomi as the first user in this game, as a scum his action doesn´t would make sense, so I don´t really believe behind the Rej= Scum/villian claim.

3. He try to get a reaction with his vote, probably trap the scums to take their reaction. In that case it would be very risky for Rej to make such moves, but I can see he doing something like this.

From all three reactions for me the first one sound logical and seeing of TAC directly attack Rej, it take my attention.
I read some posts again and probably change my vote later, but for now I think TAC is a good vote, I can see behind him a scum/villian who want to make Rej to a victim.

 

[Reborn]

I Need to re-read that naomi-rej part, i got confused by the names, thats why i took the editings.

And still, what else than a random early vote should it be? It is the first day, there are nearly no hints and still, you Need to start discussions. I dont say it is unsuspicious, but in my opinion, it is a random vote and just a small light, which i also noticed for sure.

It's alright I guess. Mistakes happen. Don't edit post in future though

Before everyone shot the gun, let look more clear into Rej motive when he vote Naomi.

1. He hasn´t other choice and just randolmy choose one user here, for the first day of the game this option is probably the nearst of the all options.

2. He is really a scum and want to kill Naomi, in that case I ask myself one question. Why would a scum/villian make the first move and take all the attention by all players here with voting against Naomi. It doesn´t make any sense, the scums/villians would play safely without risk much, Rej move to directly vote Naomi as the first user in this game, as a scum his action doesn´t would make sense, so I don´t really believe behind the Rej= Scum/villian claim.

3. He try to get a reaction with his vote, probably trap the scums to take their reaction. In that case it would be very risky for Rej to make such moves, but I can see he doing something like this.

From all three reactions for me the first one sound logical and seeing of TAC directly attack Rej, it take my attention.
I read some posts again and probably change my vote later, but for now I think TAC is a good vote, I can see behind him a scum/villian who want to make Rej to a victim.

That's neat explanation.

Can you answer my one question regarding it?


There were 5 most active participants yesterday - rej and Izumi the most, followed by me, final and Bogard.

Now when rej took a decision of random vote then why he opted for someone who isn't online instead of the remaining four most active participants? There were so many inactive users that he could have chosen anyone yet he choose Naomi whihe saying because of "reasons X". What reasons he could possibly have for such random lynching?

I think only rej can answer this but he went offline. Let's wait for him to come online.

 

[Bogard]

Your Bogard argument is solid. Let's see how he responds to it.

I already explained my reason in the same post

A bandwagon already started. If either Playa or me were scum, the best move was to let it go for the first one to use this excuse to target you(or someone else) for another round. It'd be a stupid play for scum to do otherwise. That's why i'm pretty certain neither Playa nor me are scum, with your sudden switch putting even more pressure on you if anything lol

A bandwagon already started by the time Playa voted with 3 votes on Rej and 1 vote on Naomi. It would be a stupid move for Mafia to target someone else(TAC) when he could use the same reasoning he used to accuse that person in another phase while keeping low on day1.

On the other hand, when you look at TAC's game play since the game started, he is clearly looking at the most suspicious of the bunch. He first started with fluff posts

Then disappeared afterwards. Only to come to ask if it was time to vote.

Do I lynch people now?

Directly after claims he hasn't caught up

I haven't caught up, no. Lot of pages and this is my first time..

But suddenly decides to jump on the Rej bandwagon that Naomi started

I don't know what's going on but

Vote Lynch Rej

By the way Naomi is also suspicious in my book, but i'd look into this later. I think it was important to vote TAC rn to avoid a mislynch in day1. Sure it's too early to know for sure who is scum, with the night phase helping town depending on what power roles could discover, but if we have the opportunity to find scum right away, i don't know why we shouldn't take that opportunity early on. It could avoid a mislynch which could end up crucial later on in the game and reduce suspicions on targets and help power roles to know who to target

Rej also has 3 votes on him, so he also has pressure on his back, which is good since i'm also waiting for the way he'd reply, but it was important for me not to let TAC go his way as well

 

[Pantheos]

It's alright I guess. Mistakes happen. Don't edit post in future though


That's neat explanation.

Can you answer my one question regarding it?


There were 5 most active participants yesterday - rej and Izumi the most, followed by me, final and Bogard.

Now when rej took a decision of random vote then why he opted for someone who isn't online instead of the remaining four most active participants? There were so many inactive users that he could have chosen anyone yet he choose Naomi whihe saying because of "reasons X". What reasons he could possibly have for such random lynching?

I think only rej can answer this but he went offline. Let's wait for him to come online.

On the other Hand, your asking here and your arguments work exactly if he took anyone else, even someone active, you could ask for "someone more active" or even "why not some inactive". And more or less the question would always be the same i guess.

Are you heading somewhere specific with These questions?

 

[Finalbeta]

What TAC did is called OMGUS, it's a dynamic of Mafia games by which a player's reaction supersedes the reasons for reacting that way. Causes can be feeling guilty or attacked or disproportionately annoyed by someone's behaviour which itself is weird.

 

[Reborn]

I already explained my reason in the same post

A bandwagon already started by the time Playa voted with 3 votes on Rej and 1 vote on Naomi. It would be a stupid move for Mafia to target someone else(TAC) when he could use the same reasoning he used to accuse that person in another phase while keeping low on day1.

On the other hand, when you look at TAC's game play since the game started, he is clearly looking at the most suspicious of the bunch. He first started with fluff posts





Then disappeared afterwards. Only to come to ask if it was time to vote.


Directly after claims he hasn't caught up

But suddenly decides to jump on the Rej bandwagon that Naomi started


By the way Naomi is also suspicious in my book, but i'd look into this later. I think it was important to vote TAC rn to avoid a mislynch in day1. Sure it's too early to know for sure who is scum, with the night phase helping town depending on what power roles could discover, but if we have the opportunity to find scum right away, i don't know why we shouldn't take that opportunity early on. It could avoid a mislynch which could end up crucial later on in the game and reduce suspicions on targets and help power roles to know who to target

Rej also has 3 votes on him, so he also has pressure on his back, which is good since i'm also waiting for the way he'd reply, but it was important for me not to let TAC go his way as well

Hmmm I have nothing to refute your argument.

On the other Hand, your asking here and your arguments work exactly if he took anyone else, even someone active, you could ask for "someone more active" or even "why not some inactive". And more or less the question would always be the same i guess.

Are you heading somewhere specific with These questions?

Yup! It will help me look for the mistake which a user will commit when he/she is faking things.

What TAC did is called OMGUS, it's a dynamic of Mafia games by which a player's reaction supersedes the reasons for reacting that way. Causes can be feeling guilty or attacked or disproportionately annoyed by someone's behaviour which itself is weird.

Finalbeta can response seem very balanced and careful. Can you explain me what you think about rej and TAC situation?

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*Finalbeta you response so far seem balanced and careful. Can you explain me what you think about rej and tac situation

 

[Finalbeta]

Finalbeta can response seem very balanced and careful. Can you explain me what you think about rej and TAC situation?

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*Finalbeta you response so far seem balanced and careful. Can you explain me what you think about rej and tac situation

They might indeed seem so but that's because I'm fairly experienced with the game so I'm already aware of many dynamics that are occurring and I'm formulating my mind on who my lynch will be, but I lack material, like more contribution from different inactive players and a few players' explanations on their behavior. My greatest suspicions are the players you just mentioned here. I'm waiting for Rej's stance on his wagon and his explanation for his push on Naomi while TAC did something similar by attempting to throw shadows at Bogard after going after Naomi, all happening in a short time span and for low-hanging reasons imo.

What throws me off is how easily they placed their vote lynches in particular, that is generally a mistake unless reasoning for placing a vote is more solid.

 

[Rej]

Unvote Naomi

let me catch up (if I really would auto lynch Naomi, you guys don't know me LMAO)

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@Finalbeta I read you as town but more to it later, anyway thanks for being rational about my vote.

@Naomi I am surprised you can make proper posts once you are under pressure, I will keep my eyes on you, but town naomi tends to OMGUS and then cus the case

@TheAncientCenturion I am surprised you can mafia after playing the "noob card" you can make properly defenses, I don't like this playstyle, it is like a wolf acting as sheep

I like how Bogards keeps driving the attention towards TAC. @Bogard is not giving up scumhunting even tho we had a "case" on me vs Naomi, which is not a vs but I just voted to heat up the cussion.
Naomi not getting lynched in the end is a good sign. Scum tho will lynch me off now. That's why I think scum would have their votes on me.

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Naomi, don't you think Rej would have played double-edged sword if he was scum and wanted to lynch you? There are few possibilities that what Rej was trying to accomplish with his vote on you... but before that @Rej will you willing to provide us a little reason you have to vote Naomi, if so please come forth

I would have played a double-edged sword, yes! I would sacrifice myself to get scum out of the lurkers.

5 pages is a decent amount. Wouldnt call it low but I get your point.
Also your saying, me not saying much is scummy? Could you explain why? I honestly don't understand why.

Lastly, your vote on that character. Does it have a reason other then the letter X? Unless X was supposed to be a link, in which case is broken currently cause I can't click it. (Or Tap it, since im on my phone currently)

My initial thought was like:
Town Naomi is more interactive, but then I was like: Reactions will tell us more. Seeing how much time passed the post/hr ratio is low, also by the fact we have new players here in a new forum that has a casual gaming section. Still we have enough to give atleast some reads.

But don't worry, you are also on my townradar.



If it's for me scum is between, Izumi, Playa, TAC, Bogard and Haku

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

We can unvote?

Unvote @Rej

Vote Lynch @Bogard

@Rej This is my first mafia game. Trust me. I can just tell scum when I see it, and the way Bogard moves and interacts with the board, it's clear to me he's up to no good. I don't have enough time to properly portray Bogard as evil, so you'll have to take my word on it till later. But the directions of his arguments makes zero sense. He clearly just wants to get the reputation as being "a good, participating townie" before the game intensifies and we're suspicious of every neighbor we've got. Building reputation, if you will.

I'm not sure on @playa4321 , he is either misguided or Bogard slipped when letting out the fact he thought @playa4321 was good. I guess lynching Bogard is the only way to truly know.

 

[Reborn]

Unvote Naomi

let me catch up (if I really would auto lynch Naomi, you guys don't know me LMAO)

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@Finalbeta I read you as town but more to it later, anyway thanks for being rational about my vote.

@Naomi I am surprised you can make proper posts once you are under pressure, I will keep my eyes on you, but town naomi tends to OMGUS and then cus the case

@TheAncientCenturion I am surprised you can mafia after playing the "noob card" you can make properly defenses, I don't like this playstyle, it is like a wolf acting as sheep

I like how Bogards keeps driving the attention towards TAC. @Bogard is not giving up scumhunting even tho we had a "case" on me vs Naomi, which is not a vs but I just voted to heat up the cussion.
Naomi not getting lynched in the end is a good sign. Scum tho will lynch me off now. That's why I think scum would have their votes on me.

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I would have played a double-edged sword, yes! I would sacrifice myself to get scum out of the lurkers.

My initial thought was like:
Town Naomi is more interactive, but then I was like: Reactions will tell us more. Seeing how much time passed the post/hr ratio is low, also by the fact we have new players here in a new forum that has a casual gaming section. Still we have enough to give atleast some reads.

But don't worry, you are also on my townradar.



If it's for me scum is between, Izumi, Playa, TAC, Bogard and Haku

Good you came up with explanation.

Now, this is exactly what I call 'playing others'. This is the exact reason I was expecting from you. If you weren't scum then there is no reason for you to go this length that too suddenly. It all look so staged and deliberate from the beginning. It's like you deliberately making statements like that dagger one with fully thinking through what your action would lead to. Remarkable rej. I am impressed.

Users you mentioned are definitely suspicious but you in my list are now on top for simple reason that such acts give me wrong vibe. It's just set me off.

Now, not only you put blame on those who reacted to it but also said that anyone who will vote for you is real scum. A clinical way to place yourself in safe spot isn't it?

Vote Lynch Rej

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I don't know Reborn. I think Rej is pretty innocent at the moment, whereas Bogard is the real scum. Just off scumreading his moves, it's clear he wants to pick on the new player (me) and use my ignorance against me. Rej at least seems to want to get a conversation going.

I would highly recommend changing your vote. If all else goes south and Bogard isn't scum, we can lynch Rej tomorrow.

 

[Pantheos]

I don't know Reborn. I think Rej is pretty innocent at the moment, whereas Bogard is the real scum. Just off scumreading his moves, it's clear he wants to pick on the new player (me) and use my ignorance against me. Rej at least seems to want to get a conversation going.

I would highly recommend changing your vote. If all else goes south and Bogard isn't scum, we can lynch Rej tomorrow.

I dont like the Argument, why not vice versa? I absolutely agree with you about Bogard and would lynch him first. But trying to tell others how to vote, on the first day, brings you in a Position where i dont want to have someone on the first day.

 

[Bogard]

I like how Bogards keeps driving the attention towards TAC. @Bogard is not giving up scumhunting even tho we had a "case" on me vs Naomi, which is not a vs but I just voted to heat up the cussion.
Naomi not getting lynched in the end is a good sign. Scum tho will lynch me off now. That's why I think scum would have their votes on me.

Yup i said it myself here that you may have tried a pressure vote

I could understand why Rej did that early. At the beginning of the game we don't know who is who, so his vote seemed more like a pressure vote to get things going. Besides, he has not been active since he voted to have any chance to defend himself. On the other hand, TAC jumped on a bandwagon the moment he saw one without giving any chance to Rej to defend

I was waiting for your reply to be sure, and it does seem it was indeed the case. So you're off my radar now.

I don't have enough time to properly portray Bogard as evil, so you'll have to take my word on it till later.

This sounds like an excuse. I don't have any proof Bogard is scum, but believe me, he is. Just like Rej was scum, just like Playa, just like everyone you can target to keep the attention away from you lol. To be honest at the start i wasn't really sure you were scum. I was just voting to see another direction because your bandwagon vote didn't seem legitimate to me, but the more you post, the more suspicious you become

As i said before, if i were scum, i'd not do something as stupid as drawing attention to someone else when there are already 2 on-going bandwagons coming, which is also the reason i don't suspect Playa anymore. I don't mind being voted if it helps town to remove potential suspects and targets scums for later rounds. In that case i'd just say one thing. If i get voted, i'd suggest town to target TAC and Naomi

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I dont like the Argument, why not vice versa? I absolutely agree with you about Bogard and would lynch him first. But trying to tell others how to vote, on the first day, brings you in a Position where i dont want to have someone on the first day.

I am just trying to take control. It's a proven fact that, if you don't take control of the game (as the good guys) early on, you give time for the Mafia to act covertly. You need to be assertive and start demanding things of other players to get a good gauge about them. I'm not sure if you're able to "reveal" your role in this game, as in make a claim (true or false). But if you are...

I say we vote for roles. Works in other, similar games in my experience.

 

[Reborn]

I don't know Reborn. I think Rej is pretty innocent at the moment, whereas Bogard is the real scum. Just off scumreading his moves, it's clear he wants to pick on the new player (me) and use my ignorance against me. Rej at least seems to want to get a conversation going.

I would highly recommend changing your vote. If all else goes south and Bogard isn't scum, we can lynch Rej tomorrow.

People who make up things deliberately while triggering blame game among others and placing himself at safe spot by coming out innocent on face value are the ones who most of the time can't be trust at all. It's manipulation at best and it just give me wrong vibe. And, rej just showed that

 

[Pantheos]

As i said before, if i were scum, i'd not do something as stupid as drawing attention to someone else when there are already 2 on-going bandwagons coming, which is also the reason i don't suspect Playa anymore. I don't mind being voted if it helps town to remove potential suspects and targets scums for later rounds. In that case i'd just say one thing. If i get voted, i'd suggest town to target TAC and Naomi

That Argument only works if you just consider one Action after another. But, one of the strongest way to get safe is to get on the Radar pretty early. If you are off the Radar for one time, after People took a closer look at you, it takes a Long way to get back to you again, because they just remember that People decided you were a towner.

But, tell me, why were you so incredible sure about Playa on the first day? You defended him straight up, while 2 or 3 others were blamed too and were in the more or less same Position like Playa?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

People who make up things deliberately while triggering blame game among others and placing himself at safe spot by coming out innocent on face value are the ones who most of the time can't be trust at all. It's manipulation at best and it just give me wrong vibe. And, rej just showed that

I would be agreeing with you, but I think we have more reasons to suspect @Bogard and @playa4321 as Bogard slipped when declaring his innocence, as if he needed Playa to be kept around. I think Rej made a genuinely bad first mistake and is trying to repent for it by voting Bogard. A rational decision on his part.

Yup i said it myself here that you may have tried a pressure vote


I was waiting for your reply to be sure, and it does seem it was indeed the case. So you're off my radar now.

This sounds like an excuse. I don't have any proof Bogard is scum, but believe me, he is. Just like Rej was scum, just like Playa, just like everyone you can target to keep the attention away from you lol. To be honest at the start i wasn't really sure you were scum. I was just voting to see another direction because your bandwagon vote didn't seem legitimate to me, but the more you post, the more suspicious you become

As i said before, if i were scum, i'd not do something as stupid as drawing attention to someone else when there are already 2 on-going bandwagons coming, which is also the reason i don't suspect Playa anymore. I don't mind being voted if it helps town to remove potential suspects and targets scums for later rounds. In that case i'd just say one thing. If i get voted, i'd suggest town to target TAC and Naomi

I'm very sorry that I am preoccupied. I cannot do a full thesis on why you're the epitome of evil. But, I don't see any harm in getting rid of you today and if I'm wrong, lynch me tomorrow? But you're targeting a new player who hadn't read the thread yet, and now deciding to push this narrative after even accidentally alluding to some unholy alliance.

Don't try to cover facts up. I can scumread you all day.

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That Argument only works if you just consider one Action after another. But, one of the strongest way to get safe is to get on the Radar pretty early. If you are off the Radar for one time, after People took a closer look at you, it takes a Long way to get back to you again, because they just remember that People decided you were a towner.

But, tell me, why were you so incredible sure about Playa on the first day? You defended him straight up, while 2 or 3 others were blamed too and were in the more or less same Position like Playa?

:cheers:

Thank you. Very well articulated.

 

[Pantheos]

I am just trying to take control. It's a proven fact that, if you don't take control of the game (as the good guys) early on, you give time for the Mafia to act covertly. You need to be assertive and start demanding things of other players to get a good gauge about them. I'm not sure if you're able to "reveal" your role in this game, as in make a claim (true or false). But if you are...

I say we vote for roles. Works in other, similar games in my experience.

What do you mean to vote for roles?

Additionally, wouldnt the scums also try to get to control the game early? Shouldnt the majority of the Players decide which one should lead them? In my case, i dont feel that well with you taking control, even if we would vote both for Bogard here.