Powers & Abilities Gandhi gorosei is the true WSS

[Charlotte Horchata]

The Elders may be strong but your arguments aren't too good.

Then what are these scars doing on these fragile old men?

Sabo has a huge scar from when he was a helpless kid. We've seen fodders with scars. A scar isn't synonym for being strong, it just means your body was hurt, be it powerful or not.

And how come they are so nonchalant in the presence of an enemy who's supposedly a top 5 character he's not btw

Because they're in God's land, they are one of the most powerful political figures and they know Shanks isn't a threat since he isn't there for a fight.

Ghandi gorosei specifically has been hyped up for wielding a katana, which after Wano you can assume to be the Shodai Kitetsu, one of the 12 supreme blades and the sword that wields the strongest curse.

This may be true, but then again we have a huge problem: the pinnacle of swordsmanship seems to be the black blade and Mihawk is the one to have achieved it, not the bald elder.

Thing is, "even to us" implies they've been alive for a long time.

It doesn't, it only implies that it isn't a certain truth even for the people who should know everything about the world as they're the highest authorities of the Government just below Im.

 

[gz89]

It would be strange if all of sudden the 5 elders are some high top tier much stronger than the likes of Mihawk and other Yonko. They might be strong given their scars but considering that the strong characters of the verse can pretty much measure each other strength
it would be strange that nobody never mentioned them. If they can power up by something like Imu hidden powers or a user like Bonney making them younger again or something totally new its another case tho.

For now i cannot see Gandhi as the secret WSS, it doesnt fit.

 

[SakazOuki]

Sabo has a huge scar from when he was a helpless kid. We've seen fodders with scars. A scar isn't synonym for being strong, it just means your body was hurt, be it powerful or not.

No one said a scar makes one stronger you pulled that out of nowhere, it only implies they're combatants not simple politicians.

Because they're in God's land, they are one of the most powerful political figures and they know Shanks isn't a threat since he isn't there for a fight.

Why is being in god land relevant, they're meters away from one of the strongest people in the world
And what makes them so sure Shanks won't try to do something funny lol

This may be true, but then again we have a huge problem: the pinnacle of swordsmanship seems to be the black blade and Mihawk is the one to have achieved it, not the bald elder.

What do you know about the pinnacle of swordsmanship?
A 21 grade sword was a black blade yet at least 3 confirmed 12 supreme blades aren't black.

It doesn't, it only implies that it isn't a certain truth even for the people who should know everything about the world as they're the highest authorities of the Government just below Im.

How is it not a certain truth? They already know about this fruit but called it a legend because it hasn't awakened for centuries upon centuries. The blonde one seemed unsure and addressed the other 2 for answers.

 

[Cruxroux]

Is his Sword Black though? Even rogers , whitebeard , shanks have a weapon with same grade as shodai and Yoru.

But only thing seperates yoru from others is it's black and his owner actually called the strongest.

 

[nik87]

I didnt expect an Admiral fan to wank characters like Gorosei above Admirals...
And regarding Gandhi as WSS, nope. Mihawk's title is absolute until he loses to Zoro.
There have been only 2 characters in OP history called World's Strongest Swordsman and both had a Kokuto.
Gandhi may as well be stronger than Admirals but he's not stronger than Mihawk, even if he is aged back to his prime.

 

[SakazOuki]

There have been only 2 characters in OP history called World's Strongest Swordsman and both had a Kokuto.

Do you consider Roger/Xebec as swordsmen?
It seems to me Roger easily has better portrayal and feats than Mihawk yet doesn't wield a black blade.

What about Aramaki's blackblade

Gandhi may as well be stronger than Admirals but he's not stronger than Mihawk, even if he is aged back to his prime.

If Ghandi is stronger than the admirals then he's automatically stronger than Mihawk

 

[Blackbeard]

So Zoro is supposed to become the WSS ever. Can we know his dream is fulfilled after he beats Mihawk? No.

Some might argue the Gorosei are mere politicians who have nothing to do with strength. Then what are these scars doing on these fragile old men?

And how come they are so nonchalant in the presence of an enemy who's supposedly a top 5 character he's not btw
You can argue he's a snitch and all but that still doesn't explain their cold attitude, two are even giving him their back. They literally don't care.

Ghandi gorosei specifically has been hyped up for wielding a katana, which after Wano you can assume to be the Shodai Kitetsu, one of the 12 supreme blades and the sword that wields the strongest curse.

The only 2 main characters on the path to attain fame & strength are Luffy & Zoro. At one point we thought Luffy has to surpass Roger but then Joyboy happened.
Same can be said about Zoro. Mihawk is merely a stepping stone in the path of godhood Ryuma attained.
Although Oda trolled the viewers by comparing Luffy with Ryuma, that was simply a parrallel concerning his reputation as the guardian of Wano.
In reality we know that Ryuma is connected with Zoro, he's hailed as the god of the blade and eventually marimo should reach this level. Many analogies have already been set in stone, whether it's their pre-ts interaction, their looks or observations made by third parties.

What does Ghandi have to do with this? Well first off his design indicates he's originally from Wano. He's the only gorosei not wearing a suit which is to be expected from a hardcore samurai of legendary status. He doesn't hold the WSS title as it would be absurd for someone of his political status to be involved with mundane fame and titles held by what's pretty much considered plebeians.

We know Ryuma protected Wano from outside invaders but also from Wano nobility too. To be able to reach such an esteemed position in the government, Ghandi must have been Wano royalty in the past. Oda also highlights this by having him comment on the Wano situation.

He's the only possible candidate who can eventually confirm to the reader that Zoro surpassed all swordsmen in history. That will happen by shedding light on Ghandi's past and how at some point he rivalled Ryuma and fought him to a stalemate or something of the sort. In the bigger picture Mihawk is simply his master who helped him reach this point. Right now there shouldn't be a huge gap between the two.

I already made a post on why Mihawk will defeated before reaching Raftel. This leaves Ghandi as Zoro's final swordsman to be defeated. It's not a weird move to sideline Mihawk for Ghandi as the gorosei will eventually be the final villains who have also been hyped for so long.

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"A Great Swordsman Of The Heavens"

 

[comrade]

Mihawk doesn't cling to the WSS title, wants others to surpass him and even trains a swordsman himself with the potential to surpass himself. I doubt he would accept the title if there was someone stronger out there. Inb4 Mihawk has no clue about the bald Gorosei, which I don't believe given Mihawk's status and ambitions to explicitly search for the strongest. And the five elders aren't unknown to the world. It would also diminish both Mihawk's title and Zoro's dream, if he chased for a man with a fake title.

And with Rayleigh constantly pointing out his decline due to old age, I would really find it odd for an arguably 80+ old geezer who is mainly involved in politics nowadays to be superior to a black blade wielder in his prime.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

What if he had better skills & haki? The strongest cursed sword should not be underestimated too.
Mihawk's title is irrelevant to someone who rules the world from the shadows, it can only apply to people like Shanks/ Zoro. You don't expect Ghandi to go around roaming the grandline looking for Mihawk to duel him.

If anyone in the world was stronger then Mihawk , he would sense the power level with Observation Haki from far away and would jump inside Marijoa.

 

[nik87]

Do you consider Roger/Xebec as swordsmen?
It seems to me Roger easily has better portrayal and feats than Mihawk yet doesn't wield a black blade.

What about Aramaki's blackblade



If Ghandi is stronger than the admirals then he's automatically stronger than Mihawk

Do you consider them ballet dancers?
Both Roger and Rocks are by default below Mihawk.
Scrub like Aramaki cant have a Kokuto. Clownish characters like that are Sanji's opponents.
Every swordsman is by default below Mihawk, Gandhi and Admirals included.
I guess yall agendabois still havent figured out what World's Strongest means.

 

[SakazOuki]

Do you consider them ballet dancers?
Both Roger and Rocks are by default below Mihawk.
Scrub like Aramaki cant have a Kokuto. Clownish characters like that are Sanji's opponents.
Every swordsman is by default below Mihawk, Gandhi and Admirals included.
I guess yall agendabois still havent figured out what World's Strongest means.

Exactly, they're swordsmen who shook the world to its core. I doubt anyone would consider abolishing the warlods if Xebec or Roger were on board. Mihawk is pretty strong, could even be top 10 alive, but comparing him to Xebec?? lmao

 

[kom5]

He is Admiral level for sure but he is not the WSS he is prob not even Zoros EOS enemy

 

[comrade]

I doubt anyone would consider abolishing the warlods if Xebec or Roger were on board.

The point of abolishing the warlords was that they are powerful and at the same time corrupt and unreliable, enjoying immunity while having their criminal business thrive, while enslaving and destroying entire countries. Having someone like Xebec or Roger as Shichibukai would be even more pointless.

 

[nik87]

Exactly, they're swordsmen who shook the world to its core. I doubt anyone would consider abolishing the warlods if Xebec or Roger were on board. Mihawk is pretty strong, could even be top 10 alive, but comparing him to Xebec?? lmao

Yes, call me when Xebec has a mark of the strongest - a black blade.

 

[Vanlax]

Don't really like the idea of an ittotyu swordsman not wielding Yoru to be the better swordsman than Mihawk.

Yoru > any swords. Which is why Zoro is gonna need 3 to beat it.

I'd rather have Ghandi Gorosei to have a DF that boosts his stats, skill, or power. Something like Fuji's fight style.

 

[SakazOuki]

"A Great Swordsman Of The Heavens"

This single page is better than anything Zoro vs Mihawk can offer, a proper conclusion to the path of history's strongest swordsman.
With Xebec & Blackbeard, Oda already anounced there are titles better than PK, and now suddenly Goofy has a dream so big that obtaining the PK title is nothing but a stepping stone. Zori beating WSS puts him at admiral level, once he surpasses that he beats Gandhi, the ever old rival of the god of the blade.
:cheers:

Having someone like Xebec or Roger as Shichibukai would be even more pointless.

The point is the strength and terror they would bring into the world. No one seems shook by Mihawk's new marine hunting business, he's strong for sure and they gave him an appropriate bounty that correlates with his reputation, but he's not a man of THAT caliber.

 

[notAfanboy]

One Piece sales are driven more by fan's imaginations than the actual content 😂

 

[comrade]

No one seems shook by Mihawk's new marine hunting business

Hasn't the Marine itself said that the Cross Guild poses a massive threat?

he's strong for sure and they gave him an appropriate bounty that correlates with his reputation, but he's not a man of THAT caliber

They have Mihawk a bounty of 3.6 Billion because he is the world's strongest swordsman. Meanwhile in the introduction of Shanks' bounty, they pointed out that his crew has the greatest balance, with high average bounties and commanders who have made a name for themselves outside the crew.

None of the other Shichibukai (bar Buggy with his fake hype) received a bounty of 2B or above, with Crocodile barely capping beneath 2B, Boa Hancock as the Kuja Empress who commands a strong crew, getting a bounty of 1.6B+ and Mihawk, who has no ressources or command, getting a bounty as tremendous as 3.6B.

 

[L55]

"A Great Swordsman Of The Heavens"

Now edit nik and kitetsu behind zoro and gandhi as sentinel

 

[SakazOuki]

Hasn't the Marine itself said that the Cross Guild poses a massive threat?

Ofcourse it's a massive threat that's why they assigned the organization a yonko position. But Brannew is the one who said that nothing from the leadership. When Roger and Shiki clashed, HQ sent out the big boys for pursuit, Mihawk ain't getting that treatment.

They have Mihawk a bounty of 3.6 Billion because he is the world's strongest swordsman. Meanwhile in the introduction of Shanks' bounty, they pointed out that his crew has the greatest balance, with high average bounties and commanders who have made a name for themselves outside the crew.

None of the other Shichibukai (bar Buggy with his fake hype) received a bounty of 2B or above, with Crocodile barely capping beneath 2B, Boa Hancock as the Kuja Empress who commands a strong crew, getting a bounty of 1.6B+ and Mihawk, who has no ressources or command, getting a bounty as tremendous as 3.6B.

What does Shanks have to do with this? Mihawk is certainly stronger, and I wouldn't compare him to high tiers like Croco & Boa.
His bounty is massive but I'm not gonna sit down and pretend that his active marine hunting had nothing to do with this number.
The marines recognize he's the strongest in the guild, combine that with his reputation as the WSS who is even above Shanks, they gave him this chunky bounty.