Powers & Abilities Gear 4th Has Run Its Course

What new ability is coming next?


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Haoshoku

#1
As the title says, Gear 4th has run its due course. It’s simply ineffective vs Kaido with Luffy still having the same drawback it was introduced with back in Dressrosa. The drawback isn’t the only reason why G4 is ineffective vs Kaido but that on top of G4’s firepower frankly not being enough makes it inefficient and borderline useless in the hopes of defeating Kaido.


Luffy first gave off the impression that the haki drain problem was minimized to a favorable degree, as was seemingly implied with his frequent usage of it earlier in the raid:


Would’ve used it for a 3rd time had it not been for Yamato intervening:


You’d think with Luffy’s willingness to pretty much spam a form that previously took a toll on his haki reserves that he’s minimized the problem somewhat. But naw turns out the dude passes out in the middle of the most pivotal battle and has to be carried figuratively and literally by Zoro:

Seemingly defenseless to the point where he’d be susceptible to getting biten to death:

If Luffy could have stayed in G4 for a longer period of time, things wouldn’t be half bad. But even if he could, G4 simply lacks the firepower needed to put down Kaido. Atleast with the likes of Doflamingo, Cracker and to a lesser degree Katakuri...multiple bouts of G4 would be enough but not enough for Kaido even with advanced armament haki. This has already been well evidenced in the first bout of its usage in this fight.

Let me briefly run by all the attacks Luffy has landed on Kaido whilst in Gear 4th:

In chapter 1001, Luffy goes in for a Kong Gun:


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As evidenced by the blood, Luffy used advanced armament haki to induce internal damage.
Kaido laughs it off and goes into his Dragon Form.

In Dragon form Luffy lands more blows, much of which Kaido doesn’t really flinch at and labels “tricks”.



Kong Gatling put him down for a good several seconds:
However it just ultimately prompted him to go into his Hybrid Form and as of 1008, Kaido looks unfazed for the most part with a few bruises even after he presumably took more hits off panel.

So to recap, G4 is only usable for a set amount of time and after that time is up, Luffy can’t use haki for 10 mins and/or has exhausted himself to the point where he has to get carried by others. And in the time its being used, its inducing a negligible amount of damage on Kaido who
a) has shrugged most of it off with no issue
& b) is more than likely an awakened zoan, adding atleast heightened endurance and recuperative abilities to make matters worse.


One doesn’t have to wait for Leo Bazooka and King Kong Gun to see how G4 simply isn’t cut out to get the job done. Which can only mean a new ability is on the way. Whether that new ability is going to be awakening, gear 5th, or gear stacking isn’t clear at all, yall can shoot your shot down below or the poll. However what’s become crystal clear is that G4 is no longer Luffy’s trump card going forward . A new ability is definitely around the corner.
Awakening makes the most sense to me right now. Luffy has seen atleast 2 confirmed awakened paramecia users in Kata and Doffy after all, possibly a 3rd in Cracker so you’d think he’d atleast try to tap into it.

Tho for anyone that thinks it’s too soon for Luffy to get a new gear or tap into awakening they’ve been missing out on the overarching implication of Wano’s climax and how it ties to the endgame of the series. If it wasn’t enough that Shanks said he’d meet Luffy soon, Kaido saying the victor of this fight will be “that much closer to Pirate King” pretty much spells it out for you. Luffy won’t be victorious if his best bet is a form that drains his haki like there ain’t no tomorrow and renders him weak for 10 minutes. I rest my case.



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Side Note: Apologies for the dark text, I’ll try to fix that in a bit.
 
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Haoshoku

#3
Yh he needs to awaken. That's the unique way he will defeat Kaido.

Though I doubt he knows how to do that.
Even if he doesn’t know exactly how he’ll try to tap into it regardless if awakening is the route Oda’s gonna take. He saw Soru a couple times and incorporated it into his Gear 2nd back in Enies Lobby. I could see Oda following that same logic to have Luffy awaken.
 
#4
Even if he doesn’t know exactly how he’ll try to tap into it regardless if awakening is the route Oda’s gonna take. He saw Soru a couple times and incorporated it into his Gear 2nd back in Enies Lobby. I could see Oda following that same logic to have Luffy awaken.
Yh I can see that happening. Though I don't know how turning the environment into rubber will benefit Luffy. But then again since he's a Paramecia that changes his body instead of producing something. He may have some different awakening.
 
#5
Based on the way Oda is going with this I'd say that Luffy will get the awakening in the fight against Blackbeard. Before Wano, we (including myself) thought that Luffy would be able to solve the gear 4th time limit with better/advanced haki. But in Wano arc we saw that advanced haki did not affect Luffy's gear 4th at all. So by definition there has to be another way of solving the gear 4th drawbacks, and I would assume that the DF awakening is the answer.

I don't think that Oda wants Luffy to get rid off the gear 4th drawbacks right now, in Wano arc, against Kaido. As I've already mentioned above, awakening is reserved for the fight against Blackbeard and I also think (based on the flow of the story) that the DF awakening itself is the key that can solve the gear 4th drawbacks. So, if awakening and gear 4th drawbacks are reserved for the fight against Blackbeard, then by definition, the only option left here is the gear 5th–especially considering the fact that Oda himself has been teasing it recently, both in the story and SBS.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
#6
His awaken form must hold more power to harm Kaido but have less of a drawback to harm Luffy

I really.dont have any idea what his awaken could be. Maybe can make a bouncy castle but Diamante already did that. Maybe he copies Katakuri but then again Luffy cant create rubber

Either way. His awaken form must be sometning unique.

Also Kid and Law will awaken too
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#7
Based on the way Oda is going with this I'd say that Luffy will get the awakening in the fight against Blackbeard. Before Wano, we (including myself) thought that Luffy would be able to solve the gear 4th time limit with better/advanced haki. But in Wano arc we saw that advanced haki did not affect Luffy's gear 4th at all. So by definition there has to be another way of solving the gear 4th drawbacks, and I would assume that the DF awakening is the answer.

I don't think that Oda wants Luffy to get rid off the gear 4th drawbacks right now, in Wano arc, against Kaido. As I've already mentioned above, awakening is reserved for the fight against Blackbeard and I also think (based on the flow of the story) that the DF awakening itself is the key that can solve the gear 4th drawbacks. So, if awakening and gear 4th drawbacks are reserved for the fight against Blackbeard, then by definition, the only option left here is the gear 5th–especially considering the fact that Oda himself has been teasing it recently, both in the story and SBS.
Why would awakening stop the g4 drawbacks when the issue is him using too much haki. He can never have perma g4 because he will never have unlimited haki.
 
#10
I can only see G4th being useful to Kaido if...
a) Luffy's Haki, and thus the amount of haki including G4th' timelimit massively increases, blooms in the middle of the fight
b) Luffy has a G4th attack mode which can damage Kaido way more than a King Kong Gun for example.

Apart from that, Awakening is clearly the answer for Luffy's big PU this arc imo.
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G4 is there to stay as his best gear, it is more than enough. His future opponents arent as tough as Kaido.
Rofl, do you read other mangas beside One Piece? It's clear that G4th isn't Luffy's last PU man...
 
#11
Why would awakening stop the g4 drawbacks when the issue is him using too much haki. He can never have perma g4 because he will never have unlimited haki.
Well, you answered your own question. Luffy will never have unlimited haki, so the only way to get rid of the gear 4th limit is to stop using haki in that form. If Luffy figures out how to use gear 4th without haki then the problem will be solved on its own. The DF awakening will affect Luffy's abilities in some way, I don't know exactly how, but it should allow Luffy to use gear 4th without haki.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#12
Well, you answered your own question. Luffy will never have unlimited haki, so the only way to get rid of the gear 4th limit is to stop using haki in that form. If Luffy figures out how to use gear 4th without haki then the problem will be solved on its own. The DF awakening will affect Luffy's abilities in some way, I don't know exactly how, but it should allow Luffy to use gear 4th without haki.
If he doesn't use haki in that form it's not g4 and he'd get fodderised by everyone.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#13
Oda is the God of creation, he can come up with a way to spike the G4 and render it flamboyant enough other than more useful. The issue is Luffy doesn't seem to improve, but it's possibly an illusion due the notion he used ACoA combined with the mode and I think he is simply not used to eventually.
 
#14
I'm leaning more towards gear 5 luffy wont get rid of his draw backs for g5 now we still have other strong opponents coming up later and Black beard is gonna be the strongest person luffy will ever face thus far, I can see luffy and sn loose but next round probably use gear 5 and maybe just use awaken for a few seconds tape into it and dats it but Gear 5 will be the the one hell get
 
#19
Gear 5 Oda talked about it in the SBS
Also Oda doesn't like giving Luffy permanent power ups, and awakening is a permanent power up. On the other hand, gear 5th will have drawbacks so Oda can use it while not making Luffy too strong.
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OK.....still doesn't make sense lol
Well, I gave up on "doesn't make sense" long ago, Oda has done so many things that didn't make sense.
 
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