Powers & Abilities General CoA Discussion - Basic & Advanced
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Have to disagree with some things.
Invisible Armament is the most basic form of Armament.
Black Armament (called Hardened/Koka) is the next step from Invisible; it's a much harder form of Invisible Armament.
What Hyo said was Ryou is the term for Haki in Wano. Ryou is just Haki.
Advanced CoA is the combination of 2 concepts: Black Armament + Breath of All Things (Goken ability).
Breathe of All Things is fundamentally a technique practised in Swordsmanship. It's the ability to convey one's will into their blade and make it cut or not cut and likely why Zoro's able to conjure Asura and such - it's a power of conveyance. How is this applied to Haki? It's the ability to convey Haki to flow.
The degree of control one has over their Haki flow is what determines whether they can:
It's been hinted that creating a Black blade is more to do having fought many battles; the Anime implies the more a blade is stained with the blood, it becomes harder from the chemical reaction and eventually becomes black.
Invisible Armament is the most basic form of Armament.
Black Armament (called Hardened/Koka) is the next step from Invisible; it's a much harder form of Invisible Armament.
What Hyo said was Ryou is the term for Haki in Wano. Ryou is just Haki.
- When Hyo talked about willing a blade to cut and not cut (Breath of all things), he's talking about Swordsmen's ability to convey their intentions into their blade which is what makes a Swordsman "a Goken".
Advanced CoA is the combination of 2 concepts: Black Armament + Breath of All Things (Goken ability).
Breathe of All Things is fundamentally a technique practised in Swordsmanship. It's the ability to convey one's will into their blade and make it cut or not cut and likely why Zoro's able to conjure Asura and such - it's a power of conveyance. How is this applied to Haki? It's the ability to convey Haki to flow.
The degree of control one has over their Haki flow is what determines whether they can:
- Use it to hit without physical contact
- And greater ability to control the flow of Haki allows one to transfer Haki into things or beings which destroys from the inside.
It's been hinted that creating a Black blade is more to do having fought many battles; the Anime implies the more a blade is stained with the blood, it becomes harder from the chemical reaction and eventually becomes black.
I dont think BOAT is what people think it is. Zoro hears the breath of things. Standing and hearing has nothing to do with cutting, other people can probably hear that same breath even if they arent swordsmen. Cutting part is separate from the hearing part, my guess is it was a combination of advanced CoO and flow/Hardening which was not shaded black back then.
Asura is obviously Haki, a manifestation of spirit through Zoro's will.
Asura is obviously Haki, a manifestation of spirit through Zoro's will.
Doesn't matter if you find it pathetic.
Just saying what's implied by the Anime given the limited amount of information regarding the creation of a Black blade.
Nope. That's just your opinion that is pretty baseless given there's no evidence for such a thing.
Whitebeard being the most powerful man alongside Roger, if simply having the best Armament Haki meant a Black blade, they'd have one too.
Nope, if that were the case, there wouldn't be only 2 known Black blades in the series.
There are many powerful Haki users; if even Emperors don't have Black blades, then there's certainly much more to acquiring a Black blade than Haki.
More so, as the Manga stated, it's forged through:
- A history of battles.
Wano was made out to be a place that many Pirates and the WG headed towards and Ryuma was the reason why they all failed centuries ago. So, we know he fought a lot of battles.
We can't dismiss it.
Okay so you posted a panel that doesn't contradict anything I've said.
It says Zoro's sword wouldn't break if he infused it with Haki, not that it becomes Black from Haki. Huge difference.
All Mihawk said is any Blade can become a Black blade.
And if you look at the panel carefully and read it carefully, the emphasis is on:
it doesn't exactly tell us what makes it black. So far it's only throwing out hints.
It says Zoro's sword wouldn't break if he infused it with Haki, not that it becomes Black from Haki. Huge difference.
All Mihawk said is any Blade can become a Black blade.
And if you look at the panel carefully and read it carefully, the emphasis is on:
- Swords having Nicks; Swords shouldn't have nicks.
it doesn't exactly tell us what makes it black. So far it's only throwing out hints.
Yes, but it doesn't say how a blade becomes black if you read the statement carefully.
Bill Gate also said anyone can become rich like me - Not the same thing as saying how one becomes rich.
More or less, all Mihawk said there was any blade (graded or not) can become a Black blade. He's not revealed the requirements for blades becoming black explicitly.
Bill Gate also said anyone can become rich like me - Not the same thing as saying how one becomes rich.
More or less, all Mihawk said there was any blade (graded or not) can become a Black blade. He's not revealed the requirements for blades becoming black explicitly.
Firstly, watch your language for one. Reported anyway.
Second of all.
Luffy used what appears to be Black Haki after the Time-Skip in front of the entire crew.
Yet, Franky only realises that Luffy is a haki user at Punk Hazard because he made contact with a Logia.
If Haki was visibly Black, Franky wouldn't be asking if Luffy is using Haki, he'd know already because Luffy used Haki against the Kraken on the way to Fishman Island which assuming you're not aware is before Punk Hazard arc.
More so.
Chapter 504
Chapter 947: Same Scene
If you've not noticed the difference:
Haki is referred to as being invisible, not Black.
Something else you probably are clueless about is this:
When Mihawk said any Blade can become like a Black blade, it's not necessarily referring to being literally black. Being Hard is just the property of Black blades. Haki makes things hard, thus any blade can become "like" a black blade and not get broken or nicked.
Second of all.
Luffy used what appears to be Black Haki after the Time-Skip in front of the entire crew.
Yet, Franky only realises that Luffy is a haki user at Punk Hazard because he made contact with a Logia.
If Haki was visibly Black, Franky wouldn't be asking if Luffy is using Haki, he'd know already because Luffy used Haki against the Kraken on the way to Fishman Island which assuming you're not aware is before Punk Hazard arc.
More so.
Chapter 504
Chapter 947: Same Scene
If you've not noticed the difference:
- Rayleigh's hands are not Black pre-skip chapter 504.
- Rayleigh's hands are black post-skip 947.
Haki is referred to as being invisible, not Black.
Something else you probably are clueless about is this:
When Mihawk said any Blade can become like a Black blade, it's not necessarily referring to being literally black. Being Hard is just the property of Black blades. Haki makes things hard, thus any blade can become "like" a black blade and not get broken or nicked.
Firstly, watch your language for one. Reported anyway.
Second of all.
Luffy used what appears to be Black Haki after the Time-Skip in front of the entire crew.
Yet, Franky only realises that Luffy is a haki user at Punk Hazard because he made contact with a Logia.
If Haki was visibly Black, Franky wouldn't be asking if Luffy is using Haki, he'd know already because Luffy used Haki against the Kraken on the way to Fishman Island which assuming you're not aware is before Punk Hazard arc.
More so.
Chapter 504
Chapter 947: Same Scene
If you've not noticed the difference:
Haki is referred to as being invisible, not Black.
Something else you probably are clueless about is this:
When Mihawk said any Blade can become like a Black blade, it's not necessarily referring to being literally black. Being Hard is just the property of Black blades. Haki makes things hard, thus any blade can become "like" a black blade and not get broken or nicked.
Second of all.
Luffy used what appears to be Black Haki after the Time-Skip in front of the entire crew.
Yet, Franky only realises that Luffy is a haki user at Punk Hazard because he made contact with a Logia.
If Haki was visibly Black, Franky wouldn't be asking if Luffy is using Haki, he'd know already because Luffy used Haki against the Kraken on the way to Fishman Island which assuming you're not aware is before Punk Hazard arc.
More so.
Chapter 504
Chapter 947: Same Scene
If you've not noticed the difference:
- Rayleigh's hands are not Black pre-skip chapter 504.
- Rayleigh's hands are black post-skip 947.
Haki is referred to as being invisible, not Black.
Something else you probably are clueless about is this:
When Mihawk said any Blade can become like a Black blade, it's not necessarily referring to being literally black. Being Hard is just the property of Black blades. Haki makes things hard, thus any blade can become "like" a black blade and not get broken or nicked.
I still believe there are levels to CoA.
Take for example Sai.
When Sai was in the coliseum he was capable of using the invisible haki, but when he finally unlocked the hardening(CoA) against his Grandfather Oda began drawing him using it in multiple scenarios i.e. against Lao G & protecting himself against Pica's attack.
So there does seem to be a level a difference, between the two, I could be wrong though.
