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[Elder Lee Hung]

They probably have several generals above Kanmei's level at their disposal.

This I disagree with.

The only generals they have > Kanmei are Kou En and Renpa, I doubt Chu is just littered with Kanmei Level dudes lol, most Chu generals are probably Rinbukun Level given that Karin was elevated to prime minister over the rest of the Chu Generals and Kanmei >= Karin

But I don’t think Riboku will be the final boss. He doesn’t fit that role narratively. I think the final boss will undeniably be

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Lord Shouheikun, The Last King Of Chu

Riboku is meant to be the opposite of the type of General Shin wants to become. Shin has so far idolized valorous Generals Who personally lead their troops from the front, and fight with ambition, whereas Riboku is a calm tactician who doesn’t share the dreams of people like Ouki and really doesn’t even like warfare at all, as he said in Bayou.

Once Shin becomes a General, or at least becomes GG Level (now?) then Riboku’s roll in the story will be over as Shin should surpass him.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

The only generals they have > Kanmei are Kou En and Renpa, I doubt Chu is just littered with Kanmei Level dudes lol, most Chu generals are probably Rinbukun Level

You are underestimating Chu's military might, who safeguards the largest kingdom in China. Look at what Qin have at their disposal. Just to match that, Chu must have more than Kouen
Remember what the king of Chu said, he was stingy in his contribution for coalition army

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

You are underestimating Chu's military might, who safeguards the largest kingdom in China. Look at what Qin have at their disposal. Just to match that, Chu must have more than Kouen
Remember what the king of Chu said, he was stingy in his contribution for coalition army

They can safeguard the largest territory in China without every single one of their generals being Moubu Level lmfao.

But no one is underestimating Chu. Their standard general being Rinbukun Level would make them stacked, as the standard Qin general would be around Heki level lol. And besides, only the strongest generals from all the other stats can compare to Rinbukun anyway.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

They can safeguard the largest territory in China without every single one of their generals being Moubu Level lmfao.

But no one is underestimating Chu. Their standard general being Rinbukun Level would make them stacked, as the standard Qin general would be around Heki level lol. And besides, only the strongest generals from all the other stats can compare to Rinbukun anyway.

You are contradicting yourself. If they have standard generals on Rinbukun level, why cant they have more than one Kamei+ general sitting at the top of the army?

Anyway, if Chu have only Rinbukun level fighters, the Qin generals - Ousen, Tou, Yotanwa, Kanki will slaughter them like pigs. Oh I forgot, Qin will have 4 more OP generals by that time, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten, Kyokai

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

You are right, Riboku is a perfect candidate as the last boss

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We have this epic panel too.

But I dont see Riboku joining Chu, he is too loyal to Zhao.

Houken is enitrely different story, he doesnt care about country or government. Houken's bushin story is not also based on real historical figures, so him fighting for Zhao/Chu doesnt go directly against historical facts. I also strongly disagree with your assessment that Shin can beat Houken alone

Nevertheless, the biggest obstacle for China's unification will be the kingdom of Chu, not Riboku. They probably have several generals above Kanmei's level at their disposal. Kouen aka tiger of Chu is one of them, mark my words, his hype will be above Zhao's 3 and Qin's 6. Dont forget Renpa is also currently on asylum there.

Kouen & Renpa & Houken & Karin & a couple of Kanmei+ general should be good enough for the final battle.

The bold part actually is actually favouring my arguments, if they lets say have so many hard hitters, why would Hou ken be needed in final battle?

But Riboku is the same guy who forged the countries alliance against Chu, has buildup with MC and no one so far has been shown to be his equal in that regard(he is kinda unreplaceble in that sense) bt only

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Shou hei kun, he is also a valid candidate and also based on historical spoilers

Plus Houken story actually seems to have started wrapping here in this war itself with the Question part that only Shin has answer to, being introduced a few chapters back.

And Shin isn't lacking a lot in strength when compared to Great Generals bt strategically/leadership wise hence i said he could surpass Houken at this stage with some help, bt has long way to go to surpass Riboku. Hence i feel Riboku must survive little longer, maybe not for final battle but until Shin can surpass him.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Shin isn't lacking in strength when compared to Great Generals

Great general doesnt mean much. Houken is the strongest in the series. There is no way Shin is capable of beating him now.

The bold part actually is actually favouring my arguments, if they lets say have so many hard hitters, why would Hou ken be needed in final battle?

Qin also will have a lot of hard hitters. That's why.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

You are contradicting yourself. If they have standard generals on Rinbukun level, why cant they have more than one Kamei+ general sitting at the top of the army?

I don’t see why these two points are contradictory, there’s a pretty enormous gap between Rinbukun and Kanmei. Rinbukun being someone who's skills were noticeably below the Qin 6 while Kanmei’s skills are on par with Moubu who’s offensive strength is the greatest in Qin history. There can be generals > Rinbukun who still aren’t Kanmei Level lol.

But once again, KaRin being sought out and made the Prime Minister Of Chu very much indicates that she is overall the strongest Chu General at the moment, as the other generals were presumably past up in favor of her. And again, Karin is overall below Kanmei as Kanmei was placed in charge of Karin for the Coalition War despite Karin tactically being above Kanmei.

The only exceptions to this would again be Kou En who seemingly would’ve rejected becoming Prime Minister, and Renpa.

Anyway, if Chu have only Rinbukun level fighters, the Qin generals - Ousen, Tou, Yotanwa, Kanki will slaughter them like pigs. Oh I forgot, Qin will have 4 more OP generals by that time, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten, Kyokai

I very much doubt Tou, Yotanwa, and Kanki will be present for the Chu War, first off. Imo it’ll likely just be Ousen, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten, and Kyoukai vs Chu. And even Ousen is iffy given that Hara is foreshadowing him betraying Qin at some point.

At the final war, Chu would have the Final Boss I mentioned earlier being in charge, Kou En, Renpa, Karin, Kou Yoku and Hakurei (Who will be comparable to Shin, Ouhon, and Mouten) as well as a bunch of Rinbukun Level Generals.

Those odds are stacked against the Qin if you ask me lol.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Rinbukun being someone who's skills were noticeably below the Qin 6 while Kanmei’s skills are on par with Moubu who’s offensive strength is the greatest in Qin history.

Best of luck to Chu trying to defend their land with guys noticeably below the Qin's 6, lol. See the problem with your assumption?

KaRin being sought out and made the Prime Minister Of Chu very much indicates that she is overall the strongest Chu General at the moment, as the other generals were presumably past up in favor of her.

You answered this yourself,

The only exceptions to this would again be Kou En who seemingly would’ve rejected becoming Prime Minister,

So there can be others who rejected this position also

I very much doubt Tou, Yotanwa, and Kanki will be present for the Chu War, first off. Imo it’ll likely just be Ousen, Shin, Ouhon, Mouten, and Kyoukai vs Chu. And even Ousen is iffy given that Hara is foreshadowing him betraying Qin at some point.

At the final war, Chu would have the Final Boss I mentioned earlier being in charge, Kou En, Renpa, Karin, Kou Yoku and Hakurei (Who will be comparable to Shin, Ouhon, and Mouten) as well as a bunch of Rinbukun Level Generals.

Those odds are stacked against the Qin if you ask me lol.

I dont see any reason why Tou wont be there. Kanki, I understand. Btw Yotanwa will surely be there.

Qin is too strong. Just to show you the difference, Hakurei can be at best a top 10 bow, while Shin alone has 2 guys as subordinates with similar potential.

 

[Hiragaro]

Yup

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Best of luck to Chu trying to defend their land with guys noticeably below the Qin's 6, lol. See the problem with your assumption?

What? No, because like I just said:

The Final Boss: Great General Tier at minimum. Likely above.

Kou En: Above Kanmei, so above GG tier.

Karin: almost on par with Riboku who is GG+. So GG level.

Renpa: Obviously GG Level.

Kou Yoku: Will Be GG Level

Hakurei: Will Be GG Level.

That’s 6 GG Level people for Chu already and we know very little about their full military.

All of the Qin GGs will have their hands full with these guys, there doesn’t need to be a bunch of Kanmei+ Level dudes to fight Denei, Garou, So Sui, Denyuu, etc. lol. Rinbukun Level dudes will be more than enough of a challenge.

So there can be others who rejected this position also

So you originally said:

They probably have several generals above Kanmei's level at their disposal.

So you think they had several generals more qualified than Karin to become prime minister, but every single one of them rejected it until Karin was the last choice? When there’s no indication that the Chu even considered anyone for this position except for Karin? Even Kou En rejecting the position is an assumption, seems like they never even considered him and instead went straight for Karin.

Just doesn’t seem realistic to me at all. Lol

I can see them having a couple of guys equal to Kanmei, but not several guys above Kanmei.

Just to show you the difference, Hakurei can be at best a top 10 bow, while Shin alone have 2 guys as subordinates with similar potential.

1. The archery skill gap between people like Tan and Kyou En seems pretty negligible tbh.

2. Individual martial skill is only part of the power equation in Kingdom, tactical skill is a huge part of the equation and Hakurei will massively dwarf Jin and Tan in this department. Imagine arguing current Tan > current Kyou En in overall strength lol.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

I can see them having a couple of guys equal to Kanmei, but not several guys above Kanmei.

Okay I got your problem. You rate Kanmei higher than me and that's why 2 Kanmei+ general and Kouen sounds overkill for you. Thats absolutely fair. But I dont have the same respect for him and neither does Chu's king.

As you said yourself, Individual strength is not everything. Kanmei displayed absolutely nothing other than brute strength in the coalition war arc as the head of Chu's army. This dude lost with a significantly larger number of troops. Let's hear your opinion, who wins between Kanki army vs Kanmei army?

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Imagine arguing current Tan > current Kyou En in overall strength lol.

Lol nobody is arguing about current Tan, lol.
What do you think will be Tan's level during Chu war?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Okay I got your problem. You rate Kanmei higher than me and that's why 2 Kanmei+ general and Kouen sounds overkill for you. Thats absolutely fair. But I dont have the same respect for him and neither does Chu's king.

As you said yourself, Individual strength is not everything. Kanmei displayed absolutely nothing other than brute strength in the coalition war arc as the head of Chu's army. This dude lost with a significantly larger number of troops. Let's hear your opinion, who wins between Kanki army vs Kanmei army?

Maybe I misunderstood you lol, when you said “above Kanmei” I was picturing dudes who could actually out brute Kanmei but that doesn’t seem to be what you are referring to lol. You’re right tho, the Chu King did seem to consider Kanmei a stingy contribution lol.

It’s tough to say how Kanmei would actually compare to other Chu generals because we really saw nothing from him tactically. His army got bodied by the Echelon but I think most armies we’ve seen would get bodied by the Echelon lol. And I think someone who’s seen as many battles as Kanmei is probably decent with tactics. I guess there being several Chu generals with overall ability above Kanmei is fine. Not brute strength tho, I don’t even think Renpa or Ouki have the strength of Kanmei lol.

Kanki would beat Kanmei in War. Any top tier general smart enough to not try and fight Kanmei head on would defeat him based on what we’ve seen lol.

Lol nobody is arguing about current Tan, lol.
What do you think will be Tan's level during Chu war?

Too tough to say. Maybe =< Kyou En level overall. Better as an archer but weaker as a commander (Kyou En fought 4 GGs and Renpa in the past and seemingly faired pretty well).

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Too tough to say. Maybe =< Kyou En level overall. Better as an archer but weaker as a commander (Kyou En fought 4 GGs and Renpa in the past and seemingly faired pretty well).

Its more likely those 2 brothers will be top 10 bows. To be honest, Shin's army is unfairly strong compared to the other guys of his generation. He has Kyoukai, who is probably stronger than Shin and Ouhon, and her army. Then two top 10 bows, it's crazy.

Maybe I misunderstood you lol, when you said “above Kanmei” I was picturing dudes who could actually out brute Kanmei but that doesn’t seem to be what you are referring to lol. You’re right tho, the Chu King did seem to consider Kanmei a stingy contribution lol.

It’s tough to say how Kanmei would actually compare to other Chu generals because we really saw nothing from him tactically. His army got bodied by the Echelon but I think most armies we’ve seen would get bodied by the Echelon lol. And I think someone who’s seen as many battles as Kanmei is probably decent with tactics. I guess there being several Chu generals with overall ability above Kanmei is fine. Not brute strength tho, I don’t even think Renpa or Ouki have the strength of Kanmei lol.

Kanki would beat Kanmei in War. Any top tier general smart enough to not try and fight Kanmei head on would defeat him based on what we’ve seen lol.

Yeah it was kind of funny when Moubu, who is not one of the brightest general of Qin, was using tactics against Kanmei, lmfaooo.

But I agree, brute strength is different thing. Half strength Kanmei will probably beat Ousen in 1on1, but in a war Ousen will slaughter his army.

 

[Blackbeard]

Damn two pages already, anything new or just a false alarm ?

 

[Guan Yu]

@Admiral Lee Hung @Nidai_Kitetsu

This is what Rinbukun told Rokuomi in the Coalition War:
"Due to the gigantic difference in territory size between the other states and Chu, the difference in population between them is equally large. In other words, the number of people they are competing against is also different. However, Chu does not field a greater number of generals compared to any other state. This means that those that manage to climb to the top of the mountain in Chu have done so only after passing trials that are incomparable to other states. Only the absolute cream of the crop are capable of reaching the rank of general in Chu. It is commonly accepted in Chu that their generals are on par with the great generals of all the other states."

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[Arara]

Spoilers Chapter 621

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[Shanks]

Houken is definitely dying within two or three chapters now. No way he's going survive in this arc.

KyouKai is totally a monster. Damn amazing in whole chapter. Totally epic. But sad the way she got treated. It was obvious that she will be injured severely by Houken but why this way !!!!!! :cry:

But she also had put some good damages on Houken. Let's see how epic would be Shin vs Houken.

 

[Owl Ki]

This is looking like a completely badarse chapter. Two beastly characters going full ham on each other. Damn, Houken really is a savage though.

Hmmm. It is looking less and less likely that Houken is going to walk out of this arc alive. Not sure how I feel about that. Lol.

 

[Arara]

Houken's two fingers were cut...

 

[DizzyBrows]

I didn't expect for Kyoukai to get her ass beat this hard, but it does make sense. She is very strong, probably stronger than any of the monster trio once she enters this dance right her, but Houken is still Houken. She never had a chance at winning this fight realistically.

Wondering if Shin is going to be able to put him down though consdiering the condition that he's in right now, but he's probably going to get a revenge weight boost + alpha mode kick in once he starts fighting Houken. Whether it makes sense for him to beat Houken or not heavily depends on the injuries that he sustained from Kyoukai right here.