Brazil have the "saidinha" which allows those type of guy to go out during holidays and spent the day out of prison and come back at night.

Guess what? Many don't come back. Those who don't come back are what? The most evil and deadliest criminals that go out to commit what? More crimes.
I don't know enough about the prison system(s) of Brazil or Latin America but every country that has overcrowded prisons run by gangs incl. drugs and weapons being smuggled inside should ask themselves if they can keep going that way because this has nothing to do with that a prison is supposed to do for society. Why can internationally operating drug lords operate from inside the prison, why can they escape prison? How come relatively safe countries like Ecuador can turn into an extremely dangerous place filled with escaped gang prisoners almost over night!?
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Aren't left pro-big government. They want to have their hands on everything?
Idk the original left were anti establishment, no!? Isn't it the right that wants government control and surveillance everywhere?
 

Zemmi

GodMommie
I don't know enough about the prison system(s) of Brazil or Latin America but every country that has overcrowded prisons run by gangs incl. drugs and weapons being smuggled inside should ask themselves if they can keep going that way because this has nothing to do with that a prison is supposed to do for society. Why can internationally operating drug lords operate from inside the prison, why can they escape prison? How come relatively safe countries like Ecuador can turn into an extremely dangerous place filled with escaped gang prisoners almost over night!?
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Idk the original left were anti establishment, no!? Isn't it the right that wants government control and surveillance everywhere?
I think there has been a shift and it's just taking people a while to catch up. I think that is why most libertarians vote Republican.
 
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I don't know enough about the prison system(s) of Brazil or Latin America but every country that has overcrowded prisons run by gangs incl. drugs and weapons being smuggled inside should ask themselves if they can keep going that way because this has nothing to do with that a prison is supposed to do for society. Why can internationally operating drug lords operate from inside the prison, why can they escape prison? How come relatively safe countries like Ecuador can turn into an extremely dangerous place filled with escaped gang prisoners almost over night!?
Brazil is the country of corruption. We are currently under the dictatorship of our Supreme Court. They went back in their decision of having Lula arrested because he was the only chance to take out Bolsonaro that was making the country better in many aspects but the government leeches didn't liked.

So they freed Lula and allowed him to run for presidency. They made the campaign very favorable to Lula. Pro Bolsonaro content was often shut down as fake news while Pro Lula content also was but in a far less degree. And what content you ask? Really fake news? No! Simply saying Lula is friend with dictatorship (like the ones who he visited, that praised his victory and that came here 1st January to see him becoming president) was called as fake news.

This same Supreme Court is also responsible to prohibit police from going inside "favelas" (poor people communities in Rio de Janeiro) and from using helicopters (that makes police work safer and less civilians to be killed) during operations which allowed the criminal organization to gain territory over the city.

So basically a poor civilian of a favela can't ask for police help if anything happens to that person. A woman getting spanked by her husband can't ask police for help because Supreme Court won't allow police to go over there.

And this was made during pandemics. That was their excuse.
 

Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Aren't left pro-big government. They want to have their hands on everything?
Depends on what type of leftist. Social leftist are about individual rights and freedoms. Economic leftist are about ownership being more concentrated into the state or government.

A liberal wants individual freedoms BUT, has an economic focus on the private sector and is pro-capitlaistic. A left leaning Liberal asks for more government intervention and more private sector power at the same time, which is contradictory.
 

Zemmi

GodMommie
Depends on what type of leftist. Social leftist are about individual rights and freedoms. Economic leftist are about ownership being more concentrated into the state or government.

A liberal wants individual freedoms BUT, has an economic focus on the private sector and is pro-capitlaistic. A left leaning Liberal asks for more government intervention and more private sector power at the same time, which is contradictory.
Maybe the problem is I do place all left in the same category. Which matches what I said a few days ago about people, adopting an all-or-nothing approach when extremes reach a certain point. I do try to make a conscious effort not to do this.
 
Depends on what type of leftist. Social leftist are about individual rights and freedoms. Economic leftist are about ownership being more concentrated into the state or government.

A liberal wants individual freedoms BUT, has an economic focus on the private sector and is pro-capitlaistic. A left leaning Liberal asks for more government intervention and more private sector power at the same time, which is contradictory.
That's more of a liberal world view, which according to logiko isn't left winged :risitavirus:
 
Politics stops attackers from attacking?
No, it should prevent them from even having the thought of attacking in the first place. That's in the case of a country with healthy politics. Such country doesn't exist on planet earth yet.

That's why we need better politics worldwide.

When shops are being looted, your home broken in and your family killed will you still scream for better politics or will you come to the realisation that your loved ones could still he alive if they had had a means to defend the intruders?
In that case its already too late and it shouldn't happen in the first place. The fact that this happens means that something is done wrong on the political side. And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change, not arm the people. People should not be dealing with violence, the state should.

Again, understand that those things must not happen in the first place and if they do, then society is failing, which doesn't means that we need more violence.

Not defending yourself doesn't curb violence, on the contrary, it enables violence on the attackers side. Misunderstood pacifism only leads to more violence.
Wrong, arming citizen will ONLY lead to more violence. It can't end another way.


I believe in that more than you and that technology will bring us there.
If that was the case, you would be a socialist, and not a capitalist.


The problem is you are skipping the whole process while I'm aware of current reality and perceptible if the changes we predicted doesn't happen and the measures we take change things the other way for the worse.
Its not because violence exist that we must temporarly allow guns. We will only create more violence, gun controls are proven to be effective:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/

More gun will lead to more violence. Period. What we need to do is better prevention. I know that in front of violence, this is not your first instinct, but you need to fight that.

Again you are ignoring the situation of a woman being alone with a man where people and politics can't help.
On the contrary, I'm well and MORE aware of the problem than you are. I would not talk about feminism to a bunch of conservative if it wasn't the case. Don't try to act like you understand the problem, you don't.

Your solution is to patch up the wound that you don't know why it exist with a stick and a leaf. Mine is to stop people from having wound in the first place because I understand where the problem comes from. We do not play in the same league here.


But as we both agree technology doesn't do anything. People do. With or without technology people will do both good and bad things.
Indeed, that why we must push people to do good things. And for that, we need good politics, not more technology.


What I say by fair is that poor or weak people have better way to compete with rich and strong people equally.
No. That's a complete desillusion. In a capitalistic world, the technology will be hold by the rich and the wealthy. THose who OWN the lines of production. Not poor people or weak people. Those one will be enslaved to the process just as they were unslaved by factory lines in the 20'.

Again, your capitalistic world only leads toward more misery. Not toward equity. If you want equity, there is a solution, but you need to be a bit more red than you are right now.


For example guns that allows women to defend against men
Again, you live in a desilusion if you think that guns allow women to defend against men. Again, its a proof that you don't understand the problem at all. Do you think that women are in great majority threatenned by men they meet in the streets ?

Wake the F up. That's the opposite. Women are abused in majority by people they know and mostly by their own partner !! I'm sure they will have a LOT of time to go get their gun when they are raped in their own bed in the middle of an intercourse..

Sigh :seriously:


Internet is the greatest tool for poor people to make money and make themselves famous without needing a lot of money or help from people with money.
No its not. Its a great tool for people with a minimum to live off.. but not for really poor people. Really poor people DON'T have access to internet. Don't think that you are not priviledged here mate.

Also, internet is part of the cultural capital. If you are raised with it, it will be easy to use, but if you were not, this will be a nightmare. The majority of Old and poor people are left in the internet limbo because of that.

Internet is not the panacea. Its better than most things, but its not the perfect system that you think it is. And I'm not even talking about making money here.. its a hell hole.


Politicians campaigns were always expensive
They are still super expensive, on what planet are you leaving on ?


Now one can be elected simple by having social media.
No they can't.

:lawsigh:

Imagine if they had nuclear weapons. Russia would never dare to invade.
I wouldn't be sure about that...


'm pro gun how can I be woke:saden:
Everything on its left seems to be "woke". It reminds me of people in the far right in my country who think that conservatives are communists..

All wokes are pro gun they are just Hypocrite
:josad:


Whoops, many already have the strictest laws and they still have the worst gun violence.
Do you have specific examples ?



A large majority of the US is rural population and the chances of police getting there before an intruder causes harm is almost none.
So the solution is not "better constructed cities and area", but.... "more gun ?" Sigh...


It's also a woman's greatest equalizer.
No its not:
- For the reason I explained above
- And for this one: https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/


Not once did we ever consider playing around with the gun
Cool, other people are not so lucky

@Logiko What Solis said is completely true. Self-defence is not "a job". It's a duty of every person. We do not live in an ideal world, and no matter how close we approach one, there will always be nefarious actors. We cannot rely on a police force that becomes increasingly ineffectual.
So, more violence ? Less solutions ?

That's not my creed, sorry.



They say to be against gun but as you said they are in favor of Estate/Governament to held them. So they are not against gun they are against self defense.
We are against self justice. Simply because self justice can be used to create oppressions.


They say to be against gun but as you said they are in favor of Estate/Governament to held them. So they are not against gun they are against self defense.
We are against self justice. Simply because self
What surprises me is when they act shocked when they release a five-time felon and they kill someone.
You are strawmanning here and making a fallacious comparison in the same time.

People who release those type of person are not the same that are angry because they are released. Stop acting like everyone who do something you dislikes is "woke"... most of the time they are on the same side as you are.


So I don't think they are bad, just naive.
Woke people being "naive".. that's a first..


That doesn't even surprise me. Many left-leaning individuals believe in looking good over being good.
Is this an echo chamber or what... ? You are not helping me keeping you out of the conservative area here...



I mean this is so strange, aren't "woke" people left and since when are the left pro government
They confuse state and governments. But yes, we believe that the state should be at the service of people and not the other way around.


I think that is an over-focus on idealism rather than pragmatism.
Dude... you are on the conservative side right now. There is nothing more idealist than that.

I'm literally the one bringing scientific researches and data report in this thread. Humble yourself !


When you want to believe in the good of the world you can become myopic.


No, its REALIST.

We are a SOCIAL specie.

What is IDEALIST on the other hand is thinking that people will do BAD things by giving them good directions. That is what idealism is.

Idealism is not on the woke side, its on the RIGHT side, the side that believes in myth like meritocracy, liberalism and capitalism. The side that think that more violence can bring safety. The side that believe that LGBTQ+ are coming for their kids, the side that believe that migrant will steal their jobs (that they don't care to take), the side that believe that technology is the only solution to progress. The side that think that politic doesn't belong in stories.

That side, YOUR side, the RIGHT side, is idealist. And in complete DESILLUSION.

Waky waky, its time to come back to reality now !



Now that left assumed power it shouldn't be considered left anymore. Right?
Or maybe.. just MAYBE... the left is actually NOT in power in the world...



But its actually the right who is :

- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Far right and bigots
- Authoritarians
- Dictators
- Cryptofascist

:kayneshrug:



That is what leftist wants
Not necessarily no.

Maybe the problem is I do place all left in the same category
I think the problem is that people have a very poor definition of what leftism means. That's why some far rightist think conservative are sometimes communist.. they just don't understand what leftism is

In short, leftism could be shortenned by saying : "the ideology that believes that people are conditionned by social structures in society and that we must change that and therefore challenge the structures of power and the status co to create a better society for a better happiness for all."

And if you want to see on which side you are of the political fence there are a few of very simple question/values you can ask yourself. For me, the best is "do you believe in merit ?" If not, then you are most probably a leftist, if yes, then you are a rightist.


That's more of a liberal world view, which according to logiko isn't left winged
I didn't notice that sentence but yeah.. its the basis for liberal ideas.. it can be leftist if people are understanding that we must change the structures of society to change that, but overall, it will lead toward rightist politics.
 
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Uncle Van

Bullets don't hurt. But Taxes do.
Maybe the problem is I do place all left in the same category. Which matches what I said a few days ago about people, adopting an all-or-nothing approach when extremes reach a certain point. I do try to make a conscious effort not to do this.
No worries. Not like you're claiming advocating for free speech=purely far right rhetoric.
 

Zemmi

GodMommie
No, it should prevent them from even having the thought of attacking in the first place. That's in the case of a country with healthy politics. Such country doesn't exist on planet earth yet.

That's why we need better politics worldwide.


In that case its already too late and it shouldn't happen in the first place. The fact that this happens means that something is done wrong on the political side. And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change, not arm the people. People should not be dealing with violence, the state should.

Again, understand that those things must not happen in the first place and if they do, then society is failing, which doesn't means that we need more violence.


Wrong, arming citizen will ONLY lead to more violence. It can't end another way.



If that was the case, you would be a socialist, and not a capitalist.



Its not because violence exist that we must temporarly allow guns. We will only create more violence, gun controls are proven to be effective:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/

More gun will lead to more violence. Period. What we need to do is better prevention. I know that in front of violence, this is not your first instinct, but you need to fight that.


On the contrary, I'm well and MORE aware of the problem than you are. I would not talk about feminism to a bunch of conservative if it wasn't the case. Don't try to act like you understand the problem, you don't.

Your solution is to patch up the wound that you don't know why it exist with a stick and a leaf. Mine is to stop people from having wound in the first place because I understand where the problem comes from. We do not play in the same league here.



Indeed, that why we must push people to do good things. And for that, we need good politics, not more technology.



No. That's a complete desillusion. In a capitalistic world, the technology will be hold by the rich and the wealthy. THose who OWN the lines of production. Not poor people or weak people. Those one will be enslaved to the process just as they were unslaved by factory lines in the 20'.

Again, your capitalistic world only leads toward more misery. Not toward equity. If you want equity, there is a solution, but you need to be a bit more red than you are right now.



Again, you live in a desilusion if you think that guns allow women to defend against men. Again, its a proof that you don't understand the problem at all. Do you think that women are in great majority threatenned by men they meet in the streets ?

Wake the F up. That's the opposite. Women are abused in majority by people they know and mostly by their own partner !! I'm sure they will have a LOT of time to go get their gun when they are raped in their own bed in the middle of an intercourse..

Sigh :seriously:



No its not. Its a great tool for people with a minimum to live off.. but not for really poor people. Really poor people DON'T have access to internet. Don't think that you are not priviledged here mate.

Also, internet is part of the cultural capital. If you are raised with it, it will be easy to use, but if you were not, this will be a nightmare. The majority of Old and poor people are left in the internet limbo because of that.

Internet is not the panacea. Its better than most things, but its not the perfect system that you think it is. And I'm not even talking about making money here.. its a hell hole.



They are still super expensive, on what planet are you leaving on ?



No they can't.

:lawsigh:


I wouldn't be sure about that...



Everything on its left seems to be "woke". It reminds me of people in the far right in my country who think that conservatives are communists..


:josad:



Do you have specific examples ?




So the solution is not "better constructed cities and area", but.... "more gun ?" Sigh...



No its not:
- For the reason I explained above
- And for this one: https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/



Cool, other people are not so lucky


So, more violence ? Less solutions ?

That's not my creed, sorry.




We are against self justice. Simply because self justice can be used to create oppressions.



We are against self justice. Simply because self

You are strawmanning here and making a fallacious comparison in the same time.

People who release those type of person are not the same that are angry because they are released. Stop acting like everyone who do something you dislikes is "woke"... most of the time they are on the same side as you are.



Woke people being "naive".. that's a first..



Is this an echo chamber or what... ? You are not helping me keeping you out of the conservative area here...




They confuse state and governments. But yes, we believe that the state should be at the service of people and not the other way around.



Dude... you are on the conservative side right now. There is nothing more idealist than that.

I'm literally the one bringing scientific researches and data report in this thread. Humble yourself !






No, its REALIST.

We are a SOCIAL specie.

What is IDEALIST on the other hand is thinking that people will do BAD things by giving them good directions. That is what idealism is.

Idealism is not on the woke side, its on the RIGHT side, the side that believes in myth like meritocracy, liberalism and capitalism. The side that think that more violence can bring safety. The side that believe that LGBTQ+ are coming for their kids, the side that believe that migrant will steal their jobs (that they don't care to take), the side that believe that technology is the only solution to progress. The side that think that politic doesn't belong in stories.

That side, YOUR side, the RIGHT side, is idealist. And in complete DESILLUSION.

Waky waky, its time to come back to reality now !





Or maybe.. just MAYBE... the left is actually NOT in power in the world...



But its actually the right who is :

- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Far right and bigots
- Authoritarians
- Dictators
- Cryptofascist

:kayneshrug:




Not necessarily no.


I think the problem is that people have a very poor definition of what leftism means. That's why some far rightist think conservative are sometimes communist.. they just don't understand what leftism is

In short, leftism could be shortenned by saying : "the ideology that believes that people are conditionned by social structures in society and that we must change that and therefore challenge the structures of power and the status co to create a better society for a better happiness for all."

And if you want to see on which side you are of the political fence there are a few of very simple question/values you can ask yourself. For me, the best is "do you believe in merit ?" If not, then you are most probably a leftist, if yes, then you are a rightist.



I didn't notice that sentence but yeah.. its the basis for liberal ideas.. it can be leftist if people are understanding that we must change the structures of society to change that, but overall, it will lead toward rightist politics.
Good morning to you too.
 
not the left, but the woke progressive, the old left were anti establishment, they were critical towards pharma and scums like bill gates 20-30 years ago.

Now they are absolutely re-programmed and believe in the government, the pharma and all that bs that destroyed „normal“ society
*now they are the controlled opposition & infiltrated by bad actors
And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change,
what policies do you wanna change while a robber is gunning you down?:saden::kobeha:
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