Controversial General Political Discussion
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I said freedom in general. Not so sure about it but right now my biggest issue with Libertarians would be their fetish with privacy/anonymity. Here in Brazil because of that What's App refuse to give police private information of drug dealers groups and private chats with each other which would help them to make the city safer for civilians.
And for guns... I agree with you although you didn't mentioned you are pro people having warfare arsenal at home, missiles, tanks etc. This also happens in a global level with countries for example only 7(if I'm right) countries are able to have nuclear weapons. And now we see Ukraine being invaded by Russia after suffering pressure from both Russia and the West to give their nuclear weapons with the promise of maintain its sovereignty.
And your psychology restrictions is already less freedom in order of security. You should rethink how you stand on that then. Also since you talked about visual and audible issues caused by psychological problems we can also include blind and deaf people. Not sure if mute people some how would fit here too. Or handicap people?
But then no issue with psychopath or sociopath? Not saying that those couldn't have it.
And what about crime? Who committed any type of crime (even tax evasion) would be prohibited to have guns?
And for guns... I agree with you although you didn't mentioned you are pro people having warfare arsenal at home, missiles, tanks etc. This also happens in a global level with countries for example only 7(if I'm right) countries are able to have nuclear weapons. And now we see Ukraine being invaded by Russia after suffering pressure from both Russia and the West to give their nuclear weapons with the promise of maintain its sovereignty.
And your psychology restrictions is already less freedom in order of security. You should rethink how you stand on that then. Also since you talked about visual and audible issues caused by psychological problems we can also include blind and deaf people. Not sure if mute people some how would fit here too. Or handicap people?
But then no issue with psychopath or sociopath? Not saying that those couldn't have it.
And what about crime? Who committed any type of crime (even tax evasion) would be prohibited to have guns?
You mean the justice system right? Courts and stuff?
You mean the police? The guys that you call and arrive 20 minutes after the attacker already killed you?
Self defense is not a job, it's human nature.
You live in a fluffy sugar coated dream world my bunny. And that's even without taking into account corruption and police violence.
ISIS newspapers?
You mean the police? The guys that you call and arrive 20 minutes after the attacker already killed you?
Self defense is not a job, it's human nature.
You live in a fluffy sugar coated dream world my bunny. And that's even without taking into account corruption and police violence.
ISIS newspapers?
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This doesn't deny what I said. And doesn't represent reality. You are thinking an ideal world where everything works well. This is not real world and even if you apply those social politics and they work would still take some time for things to change. Until then women that could be saved by carrying a gun will be murderer, raped, stolen, kidnapped ), had their kids kidnapped etc etc etc.
I'm understanding you very well. You are the one with hard time to not be inconsistent with your claims.
You already said that technology (guns included) are tools. Neutral.
So technology can't make anything bad or good.
Now people can. So this is the reality of the world since ever.
Now like I said. Technology makes the world fair. Because of technology we have less people starving, less poor people, less fights, less wars.
Take for example nuclear weapons, atomic bombs. They are bad. Mass destruction and radiation that can harm the whole planet. But they are the reason small countries don't get invaded for bigger countries. Because if you do? You will be bombed and the whole world will suffer.
Look at Ukraine without this protection. Getting invaded by Russia. And what the world can do? Stop trading with Russia. Only that. Why? Because they have tons of bombs that could destroy a country or the world.
I'm understanding you very well. You are the one with hard time to not be inconsistent with your claims.
You already said that technology (guns included) are tools. Neutral.
So technology can't make anything bad or good.
Now people can. So this is the reality of the world since ever.
Now like I said. Technology makes the world fair. Because of technology we have less people starving, less poor people, less fights, less wars.
Take for example nuclear weapons, atomic bombs. They are bad. Mass destruction and radiation that can harm the whole planet. But they are the reason small countries don't get invaded for bigger countries. Because if you do? You will be bombed and the whole world will suffer.
Look at Ukraine without this protection. Getting invaded by Russia. And what the world can do? Stop trading with Russia. Only that. Why? Because they have tons of bombs that could destroy a country or the world.
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No. I mean politics. Police is here because politics didn't do their job well enough. In an healthy society, there is no need for the police.
On the contrary. Its because I know that I'm living in a world where nightmares cohabit with dreams that I know that the solution is not more gun, but better politics.
No. A realistic world with good politics. Your problem is that you don't allow to believe in a world that is good, because you don't trust humans to begin with. That's why you are such a capitalist.
For that, we need to create more protection for women and people through politics, not through more violence.
That's what you don't understand. You are speaking as if technology is independant of our control. That's not the case, we are behind it. So when I'm talking about technology. I'm always talking about technology as being used by someone.
Again, no. It make it fair ONLY if people want the world to make it fair. Technology alone and without human intervention, doesn't do anything.
Not necessaraly. For example we could use those weapon to produce scientific knowledge or stop a threat. Again, technology is not bad or good, its just a tool, neutral until its used.
I wouldn't call that a good thing.
This problem is complex indeed.
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No. I mean politics. Police is here because politics didn't do their job well enough. In an healthy society, there is no need for the police.
On the contrary. Its because I know that I'm living in a world where nightmares cohabit with dreams that I know that the solution is not more gun, but better politics.
No. A realistic world with good politics. Your problem is that you don't allow to believe in a world that is good, because you don't trust humans to begin with. That's why you are such a capitalist.
For that, we need to create more protection for women and people through politics, not through more violence.
That's what you don't understand. You are speaking as if technology is independant of our control. That's not the case, we are behind it. So when I'm talking about technology. I'm always talking about technology as being used by someone.
Again, no. It make it fair ONLY if people want the world to make it fair. Technology alone and without human intervention, doesn't do anything.
Not necessaraly. For example we could use those weapon to produce scientific knowledge or stop a threat. Again, technology is not bad or good, its just a tool, neutral until its used.
I wouldn't call that a good thing.
This problem is complex indeed.
Politics stops attackers from attacking?
When shops are being looted, your home broken in and your family killed will you still scream for better politics or will you come to the realisation that your loved ones could still he alive if they had had a means to defend the intruders?
Not defending yourself doesn't curb violence, on the contrary, it enables violence on the attackers side. Misunderstood pacifism only leads to more violence.
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I believe in that more than you and that technology will bring us there. The problem is you are skipping the whole process while I'm aware of current reality and perceptible if the changes we predicted doesn't happen and the measures we take change things the other way for the worse.
Again you are ignoring the situation of a woman being alone with a man where people and politics can't help.
Again I understand pretty well. But as we both agree technology doesn't do anything. People do. With or without technology people will do both good and bad things.
What I say by fair is that poor or weak people have better way to compete with rich and strong people equally.
For example guns that allows women to defend against men. Or even less lethal weapons like pepper spray, that shock thing.
Internet is the greatest tool for poor people to make money and make themselves famous without needing a lot of money or help from people with money. Politicians campaigns were always expensive. Now one can be elected simple by having social media.
I'm not saying it is a good thing. Not sure how you interpreted just saying it is a defense. Again Ukraine. They are even attacking inside Russia territory and there are rumors that USA are pressuring Ukraine to stop that. Imagine if they had nuclear weapons. Russia would never dare to invade. That's the whole reason of Cold War. Two nuclear weapon nations that never directly faced each other. Only by using other nations that have no nuclear weapon.
Again you are ignoring the situation of a woman being alone with a man where people and politics can't help.
Again I understand pretty well. But as we both agree technology doesn't do anything. People do. With or without technology people will do both good and bad things.
What I say by fair is that poor or weak people have better way to compete with rich and strong people equally.
For example guns that allows women to defend against men. Or even less lethal weapons like pepper spray, that shock thing.
Internet is the greatest tool for poor people to make money and make themselves famous without needing a lot of money or help from people with money. Politicians campaigns were always expensive. Now one can be elected simple by having social media.
I'm not saying it is a good thing. Not sure how you interpreted just saying it is a defense. Again Ukraine. They are even attacking inside Russia territory and there are rumors that USA are pressuring Ukraine to stop that. Imagine if they had nuclear weapons. Russia would never dare to invade. That's the whole reason of Cold War. Two nuclear weapon nations that never directly faced each other. Only by using other nations that have no nuclear weapon.
