Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

Yes and we are meant to abide by it. Objective=factual. Just because animals and plants don't discern morals,it doesn't mean people shouldn't. Its literally ingrained in you genes to be a social creature. If you behave in anti-social ways,you reap what you sow.

Morality as a concept is completely factual. What constitutes being morally good, neutral or wrong is very subjective.

 

[Logiko]

social pressure is still a kind of social interaction

Technically... yeah. Granted

That is why your takes are schizophrenic, you are detached from reality.

And yet, I make better choices than you politically



This is the difference between you saying "X is wrong" and me saying "We can't do X because Y". My reasonning is based on logic, not yours.

 

[NAMELESS]

For some reason you went from talking about morality to reality. As if there were in any way linked.

So it isn't part of reality that all fucking humans ever in existence had their codes to make their communities survive. Are we not part of reality?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

except we now can prove that ultrasound exists, and now we can tell it's objective 100%

but before, when it couldn't be defined and proved, to humans saying that shit would be delusion

once there was proof, and the majority agreed with it, in our brains it became reality

i understand what you mean, if you remove humans from the discussion, ultrassound is there 100%

but if humans are there, the talk about reality among them is defined by what the majority believes or those in power that make it so

you see where i'm coming from?

let's say god exists, and he gave us the 10 Ten Commandments, and they are objectively moral like NAMELESS says

right now, because there's absolutely no way to prove his existence or not, either way, we can't be 100% sure that morality is objective, because we can't confirm it

however, in the future, if we find a way to prove it OR the grand majority or those in power simply make it the truth, it can be seen as the objective morality from the perspective of the humans

Too anthropocentric
We're one of many animals. we're not that special

 

[AL sama]

I'm talking about moral realism that means ethical sentences like "kill is wrong" express propositions (this means that these sentences can be true or false) that refers in some level to objective features of the world

I get your point but did you understand what I meant??

killing is considered wrong but in some cases its also right

so there's no objective morality

 

[NAMELESS]

Morality as a concept is completely factual. What constitutes being morally good, neutral or wrong is very subjective.

Ok, agreed. Good luck creating your own morals though.

 

[Indigo]

Too anthropocentric
We're one of many animals. we're not that special

we're discussing the technicalities of words we defined as humans lmao

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

So it isn't part of reality that all fucking humans ever in existence had their codes to make their communities survive. Are we not part of reality?

What happened to those humans who died before the Bible was written? Are they in hell now?

 

[Indigo]

What happened to those humans who died before the Bible was written? Are they in hell now?

they are in the Erdtree

 

[NAMELESS]

I get your point but did you understand what I meant??

killing is considered wrong but in some cases its also right

so there's no objective morality

By killing you mean murder or self defense?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Ok, agreed. Good luck creating your own morals though.

Every set of morals was made up by someone. What makes one more of an authority than another?

we're discussing the technicalities of words we defined as humans lmao

Words are not real.

Erdtree

The what?

 

[Indigo]

The what?

It's an Elden Ring joke, forgive me

 

[NAMELESS]

Every set of morals was made up by someone. What makes one more of an authority than another?

Words are not real.

The what?

Pretty sure robbing,killing,adultery and so on are a no no everywhere. So some things just are BAD you know...

 

[Uncle Van]

Ok, agreed. Good luck creating your own morals though.

I already have my own morals and code like millions of others. I don't need religion to be moral.

 

[NAMELESS]

they are in the Erdtree

are young going to mimick that immature man child or we having an adult debate?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Pretty sure robbing,killing,adultery and so on are a no no everywhere. So some things just are BAD you know...

For Vikings etc robbery was a business model.

 

[Mathias]

there is a lot of contemporary pragmatists that you could discuss like Richard Rorty, Jurgen Habermas and Robert Brandom

Habermas is the only name I know in there. I didn't get into contemporaries so much tbh.

But anyway, I wouldn't be ready for it. It's been a long time... maybe I can still hold up with the big mustache guy that @Bisoromi Bear hates with all of his heart

So it isn't part of reality that all fucking humans ever in existence had their codes to make their communities survive. Are we not part of reality?

"If something exists within reality, it's objective." ?????

Also you just said "communities" had their "codes". Acknowledging that by using plural that they don't all believe in the same stuff ?

There is a famous anthropologist who came with "no killing, no incest and no eating human flesh" as rules established in every societies. At least you could have tried with that instead of the 10 commandmants which are 100% judeo-christian

 

[NAMELESS]

I already have my own morals and code like millions of others. I don't need religion to be moral.

Theft ,adultery ,rape ,muder and so on... Those were defined as wrong way before you were a thing,they will be wrong after you are gone and its possible that it is ingrained in your genes that you detest these things. How is it exactly you created your own moral code?

 

[Uncle Van]

they are in the Erdtree

More like in the Crucible. Pre-Golden Order(Moses) days.

 

[Indigo]

are young going to mimick that immature man child or we having an adult debate?

so comedy stops a person from being an adult?