Uncle Van

Taxes Are a Sickness
A Social Democracy falls under unorthodox Marxism, which is a form Marxism so heavily modified that it barely resembles socialism if at all. Social Democracy is just baby captialism, and America used to resemble one about 70 or so years ago. Then the 60’s happened and eventually the 80s.

Attempts to dial back on captialism is nothing but a reset button that eventually returns to shit. Attempts at real socialism lead to great instability causing dictatorships. What to do what to do.
 
What about this is modern? It's same with right extremists such as MAGA who think anyone disagreeing with their conspiracies, hatred for entire groups of random people (so no terrorist organisations and so on included) etc. is a "liberal" (even obviously conservative people ain't safe from this labeling). Extremist thought always turns into this meme.
 
What about this is modern? It's same with right extremists such as MAGA who think anyone disagreeing with their conspiracies, hatred for entire groups of random people (so no terrorist organisations and so on included) etc. is a "liberal" (even obviously conservative people ain't safe from this labeling). Extremist thought always turns into this meme.
Difference is, this is not an issue that is exclusive to right-wing extremism, and I would argue that it has been more acceptable in recent times to be a left-wing extremist than the former. There is a distinct misunderstanding between both groups a lot of the time, and it only fuels the mentality that both sides are pure extremists and that they have no reasonable thoughts.

Let's take what you just said about "hatred for entire groups of random people," into account for a moment. Much like there is the extreme right who thinks anybody who doesn't outright hate them is a "libtard" there are people on the extreme left who believe that if you're not comfortable with importing large swaths of individuals who do not speak the language, respect the country, and even have the same, or similar cultural values to the nation in question, then you are irredeemably far-right and extreme.

I feel we've gotten to a point where the reasonable middle-ground is demonised because of this, quite frankly, idiotic red and blue team mentality. People have become increasingly absolutist in their thoughts. I know some idiots who rally against anything the other side says, even if it's fairly tame or, god forbid, reasonable, simply on the virtue that the other side said it.

The modern day is fucked.
 
Pretty much agree with most of your post (except left-wing extremism been more accepted most recently, that was rather true in first half or maybe 2/3s of 2010s before you really started to see a right-wing reaction around the world that also emboldened at the start small groups of extremists) and if i could in this forum i'd have given a "friendly" or "empathy" reaction. That's what i meant with Extremism turns into that kinda thought and a black and white of "Ally" vs. all the rest as "Enemies".
 
Pretty much agree with most of your post (except left-wing extremism been more accepted most recently, that was rather true in first half or maybe 2/3s of 2010s before you really started to see a right-wing reaction around the world that also emboldened at the start small groups of extremists) and if i could in this forum i'd have given a "friendly" or "empathy" reaction. That's what i meant with Extremism turns into that kinda thought and a black and white of "Ally" vs. all the rest as "Enemies".
You know, I'm willing to concede that point (about left-wing extremism being more acceptable). My mind is still very much captured by some of the extreme leftism I saw in the mid to late 2010s and that may colour my thoughts on what is commonly more acceptable (though I will state that within the zeitgeist, wrong-think against leftist thought is more likely to get you removed from your job than the latter).

I don't particularly see right-wing extremism the same way left-wing individuals do. This concern across Europe about the "right-wing extremists" is heavily overstated. The parties/groups that are coming into the power aren't all far-right. They are just more right than the last 20-30 years. The image I posted is a good example of it, in a sense. I don't think these groups that everyone is now scared of are the same as Hitler. People just don't like that the narrative is shifting from what they believe/have gotten used to.

Unfortunately, we're living in a time where there is suffocating financial issues and mass immigration. People are scared and all I see is left-wing people calling them evil for feeling that way.
 
A)I was exaggerating
B)I certainly wouldn't move my permanent residence to east Germany. Wouldn't be a pleasant experience to be surrounded by people who dislike anything and anyone that even remotely looks "eastern" or "Muslim". Tbh Catholic Bavarians are already bad enough in this regard.
I really wasn't aware. Not to dismiss the experience, but are you sure it's not partially in your head? Allow me to explain, since that does sound pretty dismissive...

Basically, I feel a lot of minorities are falling for a rather heinous trap that is partially set by the media (both left-wing and right-wing) to polarise both groups and turn them against each other. They make it an issue that all people on the right hate you for how you look, when I sincerely do not think it's that simple.

I find that most (keyword: MOST) of these people (the supposed right-wing extremists) have nothing against individuals who are evidently respectful of their culture. For example, there is a guy called Mahyar Tousi, an Iranian-born individual, who is adored by the same lot who like Tommy Robinson because he's very respectful towards British culture and it's values.

I find that whilst there are absolutely racists in this world (on all ends of the political spectrum, may I add), for the vast majority, it's rarely about "how they look," and more "how they act." If you clash with the culture, people will reject you, some will fear you, and sadly, some will even hate you.

I don't think it's even a clear-cut issue either. I don't think it's fair to expect people to completely disavow and abandon their old culture, but I also do not agree with mass importing cultural values from other countries, creating pocket communities that only helps exacerbate and feed upon the fears held by many.

All I can say is... I'm sorry that you might have to contend with that in your own country. :josad:
 
I really wasn't aware. Not to dismiss the experience, but are you sure it's not partially in your head? Allow me to explain, since that does sound pretty dismissive...

Basically, I feel a lot of minorities are falling for a rather heinous trap that is partially set by the media (both left-wing and right-wing) to polarise both groups and turn them against each other. They make it an issue that all people on the right hate you for how you look, when I sincerely do not think it's that simple.

I find that most (keyword: MOST) of these people (the supposed right-wing extremists) have nothing against individuals who are evidently respectful of their culture. For example, there is a guy called Mahyar Tousi, an Iranian-born individual, who is adored by the same lot who like Tommy Robinson because he's very respectful towards British culture and it's values.
Yes my personal experiences were definitely false memories implanted by left wing culture warriors from twitter, even years before twitter and social media was even around.
 
I didn't radicalize myself though....?
i was quotting logiko there
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I didn't radicalize myself though....?
i quotted the wrong guy sorry
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A Social Democracy falls under unorthodox Marxism, which is a form Marxism so heavily modified that it barely resembles socialism if at all. Social Democracy is just baby captialism, and America used to resemble one about 70 or so years ago. Then the 60’s happened and eventually the 80s.

Attempts to dial back on captialism is nothing but a reset button that eventually returns to shit. Attempts at real socialism lead to great instability causing dictatorships. What to do what to do.
We need Theocratical Monarchies back!
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It's very common in majority of people and those who care enough to vote. They don't know history or understand definitions and basic economics. They use their own morality as a replacement for their lack of knowledge, and as a baseline for right and wrong.

They want something, and since they're the "good guys on the right side of history", they create their own criteria of how the world should be and judge anyone who dares critize them on anything. Just Stop Oil protestors are a good example. If you explain to them something they were wrong about, they take it as you defending the absolutely worst aspects if it.

The issues with the world are economic and legislative ones. The social issues are just distractions to divide and conquer.
I think there is a power problem too. Modern day states and corporations are too powerful.
 
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@Logiko do you feel this way too? :josad:
No, since I'm on the far left bottom corner and also because there are some from of rightism that are absolutely not far right. For example Liberalism is a form of rightism that is or can be progressist, conservatism is a form of rightism that is less progressist, far right arise when hate starts to pop. The far right is a documented movement with a specific set of values. When those values start to emerge, far right emerges.

The problem is that those values are emerging a LOT in or societies lately. So much so that the liberals (at least in France) are getting influenced by it. Which creates a bridge between said liberalism and the far right, that blends both of the political scale in between between an ultra liberal ideology and a far rightist one. This is why today, the right is quasi non existent.

ANd in fact you can see that literally happening in France right now. Macron gave so much room to the far right that it grew too much. So much that today the left is able to make a united popular front, but the right is completely desintegrated and some deputees are starting to make alliances with the far right.

When I say "the far right is everywhere", I'm not simply dreaming my own dark fantasy, I'm describing an documented historical and sociological situation happening right in front of us.


where the reasonable middle-ground
The "reasonable" middle ground is:
- Not reasonable at all since it usually supports oppressive politics
- Is responsible for the rise of the far right

So no, we don't want a "reasonable middle-ground" anymore, we want a strong antifascist, really progressive and anticapitalist movement.


There is NO logical reasons to be scared by immigration. So when you say "people are scared" I here the same as when someone say that people are scared because of LGBTQI+, its hate and nothing is reasonnable about it.

That's why, if you play on this illogical fear, you are playing with the tool of the far right and that why we call people who do that "problematic".


i was quotting logiko there
Radicality is not necessarily a bad thing.
 
There is NO logical reasons to be scared by immigration. So when you say "people are scared" I here the same as when someone say that people are scared because of LGBTQI+, its hate and nothing is reasonnable about it.

That's why, if you play on this illogical fear, you are playing with the tool of the far right and that why we call people who do that "problematic"..
If you genuinely believe there is nothing to fear from unbridled, unregulated immigration, then you're a fool, Logiko. Hear the testimonies from the poorest neighbourhoods and then let's talk. I grew up in such a neighbourhood. I've seen how unregulated immigration and forcing opposing cultures together causes strife - and ultimately - violence. I know what you'll say: It's all a social issue - and we - the original inhabitants of the country are being bigoted, but you're wrong.

There are immigrants who cause no issues, but there are also immigrants who DO. Like a good globalist, you seem to believe that everyone should be free to live anywhere, and that we should all exist not as sovereign nations, but economic zones devoid of the original culture that made the nation thrive.

I'm tired of those who live nowhere NEAR ghettos, those who cannot even go outside their house, let alone go into a no-go zone, say "there is nothing to fear."

Ultimately Logiko, you believe in the conglomerated mass of humanity as an umbrella, when societies do not work that way, culture... does not work that way. I hate using this terminology, but you've essentially fallen for American Imperalism where all nations must be a "melting pot" like America.
 
If you genuinely believe there is nothing to fear from unbridled, unregulated immigration, then you're a fool, Logiko.
No, I'm simply looking at reality as it is and no how my biases or potential fear is telling me it is. I HAVE been afraid of immigration before. This is not the case anymore.

The only thing that I can give you is the fear of not having enough ressources to welcome people. Aside from that, nothing. But as we know, immigration is not a problem because of a lack of ressources, we have plenty to welcome people, what we lack is determination.

If your fear is based on any other reason that that then its problematic.


Hear the testimonies from the poorest neighbourhoods and then let's talk
The problem is not immigration, the problem is rascism mate. Do you think minorities and immigrant are ending up in poor neightboorhood by choice ?

No. They are SYSTEMATICALLY pushed that way by society.

The problem is NEVER and will NEVER be immigration. The problems is:

1 - Capitalism
2 - Systemic racism

Those two things combined created a concentration of racialiazed and marginalized population that have nothing. This creates crimes, this creates communautarism and this creates violences.

Those population are NOT at fault, the SYSTEM is.

Bring wealth to those people and you will see insecurity go down in a heartbeat. But as long as systemic racism, meritocracy and ultra liberalism will be a things, it won't happen.


It's all a social issue - and we - the original inhabitants of the country are being bigoted, but you're wrong.
No. Mate. This is a sociological fact.

https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/examples-of-systemic-racism/

And its not necessarily "us" the problem. The problem are the institutions that allow said systemic racism to exist, the problem is capitalism and meritocracy that keeps most the wealth in the pocket of the 1%.

I don't ask you to change. I ask you to understand the system and try to change it with me.

There are immigrants who cause no issues, but there are also immigrants who DO.
Yeah, just like there are good people and bad people. So what ? If you ask me to stop immigration because you are afraid of 1% of bad apples, then sorry but I'm not the fool.


you seem to believe that everyone should be free to live anywhere
Yup


and that we should all exist not as sovereign nations, but economic zones devoid of the original culture that made the nation thrive
Yup

That's why I'm more of an anarchist than a communist.

I want a world without borders.


I'm tired of those who live nowhere NEAR ghettos, those who cannot even go outside their house, let alone go into a no-go zone, say "there is nothing to fear."
This is a fallacy.

You are invoking a sentimental bias here to explains that it is impossible to understand the situation of zone without living in it. Without even mentionning the fact that you don't know where I live, your reasonning here is absolutely not based on reality. Its based on fear alone.

No, I don't need to live in a ghettos to understand what is happening there. I will not "feel" what its like to be there, but I will understand how it works if said zone is documented enough. And you are not lucky, the reality of the poor neighborhood is something that is highly documented. Anyone with a bit of understanding of social sciences can understand the reality of those zone and the fact that violences and crimes there, is not related to the color of skin or the origin or the religion, but related to the marginalization of the population by the institution.

A marginalization so insidious and so powerfull that it forces some to resort to anger and violence to survive for those who can simply afford to be violent, because some are literally in the streets.

The reality is that you are afraid of something that is created by what you are promoting : the system.

Ultimately Logiko, you believe in the conglomerated mass of humanity as an umbrella, when societies do not work that way, culture... does not work that way. I hate using this terminology, but you've essentially fallen for American Imperalism where all nations must be a "melting pot" like America.
All nations WILL be a melting pot of different cultures. Its UNavoidable in an international and connected world

You can resist.

But it will happen.
 
You are invoking a sentimental bias here to explains that it is impossible to understand the situation of zone without living in it. Without even mentionning the fact that you don't know where I live, your reasonning here is absolutely not based on reality. Its based on fear alone.
I'm glad you picked up on this particular thing. Because this is how you argue. You seemingly believe in intersectionalism, yet seem to not in this one case. Bravo, Logiko.

Yup

That's why I'm more of an anarchist than a communist.

I want a world without borders.
And this is where we differ. You wish for the dissolution of all cultures. So much for the supposed diversity you advocate for.

The problem is not immigration, the problem is rascism mate. Do you think minorities and immigrant are ending up in poor neightboorhood by choice ?

No. They are SYSTEMATICALLY pushed that way by society.

The problem is NEVER and will NEVER be immigration.
I'm sorry bro, but what? No, if anything, it's economic strains that put them in those neighbourhoods. Furthermore, if you knew anything about this, you'd know that there are ghettos where these individuals have isolated THEMSELVES to, where they become insular and hostile towards the native population.

The only thing that I can give you is the fear of not having enough ressources to welcome people. Aside from that, nothing. But as we know, immigration is not a problem because of a lack of ressources, we have plenty to welcome people, what we lack is determination.
We do not have plenty of resources. Not really. I'll give you that the elites do hold onto way more resources than they need, but we still do not have enough of the most important resource - land - especially in places like the UK.

All nations WILL be a melting pot of different cultures. Its UNavoidable in an international and connected world

You can resist.

But it will happen.
And that is because of your globalistic mindset. This effectively pushes for one of the things you hate most: The System. You think that it's the general populace who wants globalism? No, it's the elites, bro.
 
A)I was exaggerating
B)I certainly wouldn't move my permanent residence to east Germany. Wouldn't be a pleasant experience to be surrounded by people who dislike anything and anyone that even remotely looks "eastern" or "Muslim". Tbh Catholic Bavarians are already bad enough in this regard.
Eh, i moved to eastern germany 2 years ago, in the cities it really isnt that bad.
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really wasn't aware. Not to dismiss the experience, but are you sure it's not partially in your head? Allow me to explain, since that does sound pretty dismissive...
There are some areas in germany that are pretty much filled with nazis where you get attacked for just not looking german.
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want a world without borders.
I doubt this would happen in our lifetime
 
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