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Turkey? Are you actually serious?
Erdogan literally accused the USA of trying to overthrow him. Turkey has maintained this claim for years.
2016 article
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/18/turkey-blames-us-coup-attempt/87260612/
2018 article.
https://www.voanews.com/a/turkish-president-accuses-us-coup-attempt/4199728.html
2021 article.
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...hind-2016-failed-coup-hurriyet-idUSKBN2A41NE/
The USA still continues to deny Turkey's extradition request for Fethullah Gülen, the bloke Erdogan claims was the Turkish leader of the coup attempt.
This isn't even mentioning the fact that the US supports Kurdish militias that Turkey flat out considers separatist terrorist organisations, organisations that Turkey wants destroyed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...ers-east-of-euphrates-in-syria-idUSKCN1N416E/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...reprisals-against-us-backed-kurdish-militants
Turkey is even openly talking about joining BRICS.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-with-eu-talks-is-prompting-outreach-to-brics
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-welcomes-turkeys-reported-desire-join-brics-2024-06-04/
Turkey is not a strong ally of the US at all. It is an ally of inconvenience that is tolerated due to its long term membership of NATO, sizeable armed forces and its control over the Bosphorus.
Saudi Arabia isn't a steadfast "friend" of the the US either. It is a purely self-interested business nation. Its relationship with the US has been on a downward trajectory ever since Biden called for making it a pariah state.
We had the US being publicly snubbed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/16/saudi-arabias-crown-prince-snubs-top-us-diplomat/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ages-biden-and-aids-putin-with-oil-output-cut
https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-snubs-us-embraces-china-russia-2022-12
Meanwhile they have been dramatically increasing dialogue with Russia and China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/riyad...ganization-ties-with-beijing-grow-2023-03-29/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...sidering-brics-membership-sources-2024-01-18/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...iddle-east-to-meet-with-uae-and-saudi-leaders
https://swentr.site/news/588823-arab-monarchies-russia-us/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/6/chinas-xi-to-visit-saudi-arabia-from-wednesday
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...deal-driving-wave-of-reconciliation-says-wang
It is obvious that the Saudis are diversifying their diplomatic ties and not sticking to the US like glue. They are fair weather friends to the US at best, they'll drop the US at a moment's notice if they think it will benefit them.
What cult? The Muslim Brotherhood? Cause that's Sunni Islam, nothing to do with Shia Iran.
Hamas is not a steadfast ally of Iran the way Hezbollah is. Those two backed opposite sides during the Syrian Civil War.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/hamas-ditches-assad-backs-syrian-revolt-idUSTRE81N1EX/
Iran just doesn't want Israel to triumph over them, that's all.
Lmao. Strongest pain in the arse parasite more like. Israel has cost the US nothing but money, diplomatic penalties and lost goodwill.
It would have been much more simple and effective to court an already existing nation and turn it into a dependable ally than to play manifest destiny with Zionist colonial settlers and invest in a near century long genocide.
Israel was useless during the War on Terror or defeating ISIS. Strongest ally my arse.
Erdogan literally accused the USA of trying to overthrow him. Turkey has maintained this claim for years.
2016 article
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/18/turkey-blames-us-coup-attempt/87260612/
2018 article.
https://www.voanews.com/a/turkish-president-accuses-us-coup-attempt/4199728.html
2021 article.
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...hind-2016-failed-coup-hurriyet-idUSKBN2A41NE/
The USA still continues to deny Turkey's extradition request for Fethullah Gülen, the bloke Erdogan claims was the Turkish leader of the coup attempt.
This isn't even mentioning the fact that the US supports Kurdish militias that Turkey flat out considers separatist terrorist organisations, organisations that Turkey wants destroyed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...ers-east-of-euphrates-in-syria-idUSKCN1N416E/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...reprisals-against-us-backed-kurdish-militants
Turkey is even openly talking about joining BRICS.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-with-eu-talks-is-prompting-outreach-to-brics
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-welcomes-turkeys-reported-desire-join-brics-2024-06-04/
Turkey is not a strong ally of the US at all. It is an ally of inconvenience that is tolerated due to its long term membership of NATO, sizeable armed forces and its control over the Bosphorus.
Saudi Arabia isn't a steadfast "friend" of the the US either. It is a purely self-interested business nation. Its relationship with the US has been on a downward trajectory ever since Biden called for making it a pariah state.
We had the US being publicly snubbed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/16/saudi-arabias-crown-prince-snubs-top-us-diplomat/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ages-biden-and-aids-putin-with-oil-output-cut
https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-snubs-us-embraces-china-russia-2022-12
Meanwhile they have been dramatically increasing dialogue with Russia and China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/riyad...ganization-ties-with-beijing-grow-2023-03-29/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...sidering-brics-membership-sources-2024-01-18/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...iddle-east-to-meet-with-uae-and-saudi-leaders
https://swentr.site/news/588823-arab-monarchies-russia-us/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/6/chinas-xi-to-visit-saudi-arabia-from-wednesday
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...deal-driving-wave-of-reconciliation-says-wang
It is obvious that the Saudis are diversifying their diplomatic ties and not sticking to the US like glue. They are fair weather friends to the US at best, they'll drop the US at a moment's notice if they think it will benefit them.
What cult? The Muslim Brotherhood? Cause that's Sunni Islam, nothing to do with Shia Iran.
Hamas is not a steadfast ally of Iran the way Hezbollah is. Those two backed opposite sides during the Syrian Civil War.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/hamas-ditches-assad-backs-syrian-revolt-idUSTRE81N1EX/
Iran just doesn't want Israel to triumph over them, that's all.
Lmao. Strongest pain in the arse parasite more like. Israel has cost the US nothing but money, diplomatic penalties and lost goodwill.
It would have been much more simple and effective to court an already existing nation and turn it into a dependable ally than to play manifest destiny with Zionist colonial settlers and invest in a near century long genocide.
Israel was useless during the War on Terror or defeating ISIS. Strongest ally my arse.
Do you think it was right for the world to deny Jewish refugees during the Holocaust?
Yes, they are bad for using the Palestinians as political pawns and prolonging their suffering.
It’s not about “letting Israel win”. Israel is already doing whatever it wants. They’re already doing genocide in Gaza. They’re already doing apartheid in the West Bank.
by keeping the doors shut to refugees, the Arab states are just screwing the Palestinians
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Yes, they are bad for using the Palestinians as political pawns and prolonging their suffering.
It’s not about “letting Israel win”. Israel is already doing whatever it wants. They’re already doing genocide in Gaza. They’re already doing apartheid in the West Bank.
by keeping the doors shut to refugees, the Arab states are just screwing the Palestinians
Unscientific bs usually endorsed by white supremacists. Also those '''theories''' aren't new at all
Europeans aren't being destroyed. They live in the Americas and Australia now. Europe can be happily repopulated by middle Easterners and the so called white race would still exist. And BTW today's 'white' Europeans are the descendants of immigrants from the east. multiple waves to he precise.
It looks like a.i.
Europeans aren't being destroyed. They live in the Americas and Australia now. Europe can be happily repopulated by middle Easterners and the so called white race would still exist. And BTW today's 'white' Europeans are the descendants of immigrants from the east. multiple waves to he precise.
It looks like a.i.
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Yes, it was. That was the purpose. The purpose was colonization and the appropriation of ressources ! Ethnic cleansing, crime against humanity and genocide is literally what happened for 70 B of people. And death by illness IMPORTED is still part of the genocide. Don't start to deny these atrocities to help your agenda or we REALLY won't be friend here.
No one is saying that the world was peacefull before. We are telling you that Europeean pushed the bar specifically on an ideological basis.
Yeah, stop talking, you are ridiculizing yourself. "Not a big of a deal" : 1.7 of people dead.
The reason why some civilizations can't still rise is precisely because of the result of this imperialism and because it's STILL GOING today.
Never vote for the far right. Even if you need to vote for liberals.
No one is saying that the world was peacefull before. We are telling you that Europeean pushed the bar specifically on an ideological basis.
Yeah, stop talking, you are ridiculizing yourself. "Not a big of a deal" : 1.7 of people dead.
The reason why some civilizations can't still rise is precisely because of the result of this imperialism and because it's STILL GOING today.
Never vote for the far right. Even if you need to vote for liberals.
Apart of some very limited episodes during war, there wasn't even that much knowledge about these illnesses or antibodies. The extremely vast majority of the contagion didn't really happen on purpose, anyone who says otherwise is an obnoxious liar. Most of the time these people didn't even know what was happening.
The Europeans weren't really that different from other populations, they just had the means to conquest on a greater level. But you have to push your agenda that war and oppression were invented by white people while the rest of the world is made of hippies who cry when you throw an empty soda can to the ground.
1.7 millions in 200 years, most of it likely being military personnel. Your nonsensical cries are also based in the fact that in your mind the Middle East is Islamic so the Christians were expanding and stealing Muslim land but it was quite the contrary.
Massive Wakanda cope.
Everything is far-right according to you liberals, even parties on your left.
The Europeans weren't really that different from other populations, they just had the means to conquest on a greater level. But you have to push your agenda that war and oppression were invented by white people while the rest of the world is made of hippies who cry when you throw an empty soda can to the ground.
1.7 millions in 200 years, most of it likely being military personnel. Your nonsensical cries are also based in the fact that in your mind the Middle East is Islamic so the Christians were expanding and stealing Muslim land but it was quite the contrary.
Massive Wakanda cope.
Everything is far-right according to you liberals, even parties on your left.
Wrong. Smallpox and Measles (the two illness that created the most death) were well known, just badly treated. But their contagious nature were known.
We know that Smallpox was used as biological warfare so it's really NOT a stretch to say that it was done the same way to submit native population during the early stage of the colonization when we know what was done at the time. And anyway. And it's still part of the genocide.
So yes, Europeean did the world very dirty on the four sides of the globe.
Their imperialist system was. That's what we are telling you here. And it still is today.
You are focusing on people, we are telling you taht the system was the problem.
Only you is inventing that BS.
That was the very low estimate. The high estimation is around 6 MILLIONS. So you can expect to say that a LOT of civilians died. I'm really not understand what you are F. trying to do by relativising those crime against humanity. Weither it civilians or military, it doesn't change the fact that it was a massacre because of Europeeans.
You are the one having a nonsensical cry right now. Everyone but you understand the imperialist impact of europeean politics over the world across history.
You are trying to negate it just for the sake of relativism by comparing a world colonization with random actions of conquests and inhumanity of other civilizations.. That's nonsense !
No it was not "quite the contrary". it was the purpose of those crusades.
Keep denying history and sociology mate.
I'm not a liberal. I'm at the radical left of liberals you [Search your label HERE]
We know that Smallpox was used as biological warfare so it's really NOT a stretch to say that it was done the same way to submit native population during the early stage of the colonization when we know what was done at the time. And anyway. And it's still part of the genocide.
So yes, Europeean did the world very dirty on the four sides of the globe.
Their imperialist system was. That's what we are telling you here. And it still is today.
You are focusing on people, we are telling you taht the system was the problem.
Only you is inventing that BS.
That was the very low estimate. The high estimation is around 6 MILLIONS. So you can expect to say that a LOT of civilians died. I'm really not understand what you are F. trying to do by relativising those crime against humanity. Weither it civilians or military, it doesn't change the fact that it was a massacre because of Europeeans.
You are the one having a nonsensical cry right now. Everyone but you understand the imperialist impact of europeean politics over the world across history.
You are trying to negate it just for the sake of relativism by comparing a world colonization with random actions of conquests and inhumanity of other civilizations.. That's nonsense !
No it was not "quite the contrary". it was the purpose of those crusades.
Keep denying history and sociology mate.
I'm not a liberal. I'm at the radical left of liberals you [Search your label HERE]